Probably a topic more relevant for those truly committed to Brazil (as I am), than the quick in-quick out tourist.

My experiences should be noted in light of the fact that I speak only conversational Portuguese (although 10 years of studying Spanish) and am in my 20s.

I've found that casually dating upper class girls in the 18-22 years range to be doable, although it requires a few dates and some chemistry. For the most part, these girls all speak really good English. You'll also need to distance yourself as much as possible from any hint of mongering, as that will wreck your flow. The older you get, the harder this becomes as well. Although there are always clubs/nights that cater to older guys/women (e.g. 30s, 40s...and I've also seen girls in their mid to late 20s at these events getting picked up by the older guys).

By the way, I've also read the Mens Journal article talking about the ocean of women the author supposedly fends off at every club. I think it's either bullshit, or the guy has the typical surfer boy gringo look the Brazilians chicks dig. I've been to a lot of clubs, and while the ratio is much more favorable than say a US club, I've found 50-50 to be the rule more often than not.

However, I've also seen at every club groups of Brazilian girls by themselves and obviously open to getting picked up (concept of ficar here). In other words, pretty easy to dance with them for a while, then start making out like crazy if they like you. You need only make the most superficial of conversations and ask for their number to schedule future dates.

Among the middle/lower class girls, I've actually had a tougher time because of the language barrier. It *seems* easier, given that you can be a pretty attractive catch for many of these girls. But I personally have found it difficult to connect with them. Many of them also cannot afford the covers for many of the hot clubs in town (which can be as high as 30-60R per person + drinks). As a result, you're left to the street/random encounter pick-up, which is hard enough in English, much less Portuguese. Anyhow, lots of untapped potential here, since I think this is where the bulk of the 300-400k excess women are in the statistics quoted by a lot of articles.

Finally, program girls. Ah...only in Rio (and maybe Recife) do I consistently find program girls entertaining multiple marriage offers from lonely guys in Pittsburg, Arkansas, and Louisiana. Apparently these guys call the girls 3x a day, send money, and propose marriage on the drop of a hat. I'm not one to judge, but it seems a little...desperate...not to mention a bad idea. But a program girl seemed genuine when she told me that love will come with living together, and seemed committed to the idea of marrying a client.

Anyhow, I thought this might be an interesting topic since it's always nice to juggle GFs who genuinely dig you. I don't know about you guys, but one can only nail so much terma/boate pussy before it gets a little old. Not that I don't do it anymore (believe me, I do), but it's fun to have the diversity...and what better place to brush up on your womanizing skills than Brazil, where the odds are stacked in your favor.

Link to that MH article? I like to compare and contrast all sorts of dating advice, and I think I'm coming to some understandings about the "game" between boys and girls, and MAYBE can start to succeed with a little bit more confidence. Any more grist for my mill would be welcome.

As far as the actual topic of this thread goes, I personally haven't been to Brazil ever. Watch it on TV lots, though.

Seriously, if anyone wants to discuss dating-advice websites and books, lemme know. Or email me (not internally, externally: book guy at mail dot com).

One of the great things about Brazil is that aging is not a crime, like it is in the US. Well, not for men that is. I’ve knocked around the countryside a bit, and here are some impressions I have; some may be completely wrong, but I’m speaking from observation. It is not all that uncommon to see a middle-aged man with a young (20s) woman. I have the impression that a lot of couples marry in their 20s, divorce around 40, and the man gets himself a new 20-something wife. Are there more women than men in Brazil? It sure seems that way. When travelling I see families where the daughters easily outnumber the sons. When I meet people and they talk about their families, it’s not unusual to hear something like they have one brother and four sisters.
I am 50 and usually pass for a Brazilian, particularly when I’m not in a touristy area. When I walk around and check out the women, I’d say they look back about 25% of the time, and I can assure you there’s no mistaking me for Brad Pitt. I should also note here that I have a preference for women around 30-35. From what I’m told and what I see, Brazilian men are not interested in women over 30. I speak enough Portuguese to converse if the other person is patient enough to put up with my lousy language skills. I’ve dated a few women down there, all over 30, and all the things that men & women do together happened, maybe made a little easier because since I am a traveller she'd know there was no chance of dragging it out. I find the women to be sexually demanding, in their own demure way. As for dating those upper-class girls, well, there is that difference between dating women vs. girls.
I personally know a guy who is pushing 70, had eight kids with his wife and separated from her about 25 years ago; 15 years ago he took up with a 20 year old (now 35) and has a kid with her every five years (I'm dating his 33 year old daughter). What a country!

Well, after being in Rio twice, going to the local non- programma clubs such as Nuth, Bedroom, Peoples and Meli-Melo(sorry if incorrect spelling)These clubs are happening, I comapare it to the clubs on south beach or sunset Blvd in hollywood. The thing about Rio is the girls aren't idiots I spoke to a few and they ask a few key Questions as how long are you here, where are you staying etc... and within minutes they know your trying to get free pussy. I think you have to be there for a few months so they can really trusts you. all the non-programma clubs I have gone to, The girls responds, I make out with them on the dance floor, but that's about it. I am in California and whenever I talk to a brazilian women, everything goes good until I mention I love going to Rio. It's over I see the frown face and they will start to drift off. it is because they know all the programma shit that goes on there and they dont want to be mistaken for. I am going on a date this weekend with a carioca but I told her I went to Rio with my Ex-girlfriend because she was half Brazilian and I didn't really explore Rio because we were with family, she loved that story and gave me the date and time. Anyway next time I go to Rio, just change your lines a bit. otherwise I havent meet one guy who hooked up with a GOOD LOOKING non- programma.

Its very easy to meet good looking females in Rio who are not on the programma. You just have to come across as someone who is not down there for the sex scene. The best place to meet them is in stores or the mall or thru introductions.

It does help with the non-pros if you speak Portuguese. I have been learning as much as I can but it is much more difficult than Spanish.

Or meet them in the Universities, or Offices, or wherever you meet lasses all over the world

How to pick up Carioca non-pros in three easy steps:

1) Storegirls are the way to go. Rio-Sul Shopping is packed with other punters also trying to score, but it's a start. Barra Shopping, or stores on the street downtown, or ditto in Ipanema/Leblon, or just about anywhere BUT Copacabana are your best bet.

2) A good story about why you are in Rio for a short time btu wil be back often. My company (invent one) sent me down to our new Rio office (invent again), I'm here for about a week, but maybe more, but I'll be back often. Make that sound convincing and it's as good as hanging catnip around your neck... On the other hand, any hint of mongering or even just being a one-time tourist and you're sunk. If you don't like that scenario, make up something else - exchange program, you're a music lover that always wanted to see samba, you're here to study Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu, you're in Sampa consulting for some company, but spending a mini-vacation in Rio, anything! Just make sure that she thinks you're in RIo for a legit reason and that you'll be back often. It's a little hard to say that you've been in Rio longterm if you can't speak portuguese, but if you can, then there you go. Don't mention that your staying in Copacabana! You're staying in Ipanema, Sao Conrado, or Barra. If you wind up bringing her back to your hotel (lucky you), tell her that you had to change hotels yesterday (by then she don't care anyhow... besides you really ought to take your conquests to a motel, not your hotel).

3) OK, maybe corny but what always works for me - please show me Rio... Let me take you to a good nightclub/restuarant/botequim/show tonight, you tell me which one.. I'm new to Rio.. I'm really happy I can communicate with you, help me learn more portuguese... blah, blah.

You don't need perfect portuguese to do this, a phrasebook and plenty of chutzpah will do fine. Hopefully, if all goes well, your target shop girl (who is earning peanuts, is usually very pretty since the stores hire based on looks, and is bored out of her mind), now thinks that you have money and are willing to spend it on her, and that you may be a very good catch who can take her to the promised land - USA. Of course, you may very well wind up rediscovering one of life's basic truths - there is nothing more expensive than a free fuck!

Enjoy!

BS

BS, tudo legal cara?

tenho tres meses mais aqui nos estados unidos...mas preciso encontrar algo para matar saudade, viu?

voce mora em nova yorque neh? um rapaz me disse que tem bastante meninas (do brasil) ai, mas nunca as veio.

ta bom...eu acho que no rio, a universidade e um otimo lugar para pegar as garotas. tenho muito sucesso com as mineiras em belo.

Ja: Tudo em riba. ;-)

There's an fair sizedBRazilian community in LA, and a huge one in San Jose, go hangout and see what you can dig up. Just the novely of a gringo that speaks portuguese should get you some brownie points... I actually live near Philly (Go EAGLES!), there's a small Brazilian communtiy here (15,000 or so), and a huge community in Newrk, NJ, and Astoria, NY. Also, there's a few strip clubs full of Brasileiras around here, but I go there mainly to smoke cigars in peace while grippping up a bunda or five.. lapdances are way to frustrating and expensive (compared to RIO!) for my taste. As many have noted, as brasileiras here in the States have a very different attitude from teh ones in Brazil. Well, yeah... but it's only becuase the U.S. changes people, it's also because it takes a certain type of person to leave Brazil and survive here in the States - definitely not your typical fun-loving brazilian.

As for university girls in Rio, never tried that, but i'm sure it's fun. BH is a whole 'nother world, glad you're having luck with the mineiras.

Abraco,

BS

I am 1 hour away from san jose and I never heard of any big brazilian Population. I think the only place with a brazil population worth partying for is Miami.

anyway, I said before the brazilian girls here are so stuck up and lazy. I think they got adjusted to the north america lifestyle.

CN

Badseed,

Your pretty much on the track with the non-pro approach. the Rio sul I think may be tough because every gringo has the same idea or already tried. When I go back I will try somewhere far as Barra Tijuca or centro where they work, I may get lucky during lunch hour. I went to Gavea on monday night it was packed with non-pro's but I get the smile and as I approach it's only a 30 second conversation because I get shot down for not speaking portuguese. I think if you knew the lanquage you will do well in any place. as Badseed mention keep your lines intact, say you work for a big firm that is in brazil and you may be back 3-4 times a year and never say you are staying in Copacabana I fucked up last time by telling a non-pro and she replied "so how was help"
I used to work for Smith Barney and my card has a small icon of Citicorp, I may just bring them along on my next trip and tell them I work for citibank/citicorp and I will be in Rio and Sao paulo on a global consulting project.

Overall as far all of us, "time is your enemy" you know my drift.

C - even if your Portuguese was intermediate, like I consider mine, it's still hard as hell to carry on a conversation (at least an interesting one) for more than 2 hours if the girl speaks no english. personally, i'm going for complete fluency, but my guess is it'll take me at least 3-5 years (living in brazil) to achieve it.

SP is better for the non-pros in my opinion.

Belo is great, cuz there's no monger stigma. I've had good success at Club E, Pop Rock Cafe, and the Mexican club across the street. careful though, the young ones (18-25) will all want to marry you cuz of the skewed ratio there.

There are a lot of Brazilians in LA. If you ever get to the Golden Goose on Aviation near LAX, there are several Brazilians that work there.

CP

Canonperdido...it's the "Wild Goose" on Aviation near LAX. I'm not being a smartass just thought you would appreciate the correction.

Do you have any names of the Brazilians there? Day shift night shift etc.?

You are right. It is the Wild Goose. There are two that I remember. One is Maria, and the other, I think, is Susie. Both have interesting stories. Maria is about 32, or 33, has a nice bod, and is probably the best dancer there. Susie is about 29, and also does a great dance. Maria is from Sao Paulo, and Susie is from Porte Alegre. As far as I know, they have never been garotas, but they sure can move their bunda's

Good hunding.

CP

Hey guys. It is possible to meet a really nice non-programa and non-terma girl in Brazil. I visited RJ in December for my first time. Three months before I went to RJ I decided to join Club Hombre and get the "scoop" on the termas, escort services, bars, hotels, programa garotas, and so forth. I wish to thank all of you mongers for contributing to my knowledge of RJ. I decided that I was going to try to avoid going to termas and picking up girls at boites. My strategy worked better than I thought. I met several garotas through the personal ads. That's right--Personal ads. Check out Yahoo! Encontras Brasil and MSN Brasil Personals. I ran my personal ad and received about a dozen very positive responses from girls between 21 and 35 years of age. I am an older guy or maduro male and there is nothing wrong with a more mature woman. I found that a lot of these 35 year old garotas really take care of their bodies and put their counterparts in the USA to shame. The problem is that my Portuguese is not very good, but I crammed, read everything I could get my hands on, listened to the tapes, listened to the radio stations broadcasted on the Internet and when I arrived in RJ found I could converse. The girls that I met from Yahoo and MSN were all good looking, non-programa/terma girls. Many worked as secretaries, sales clerks and several were well educated, spoke English and were professionals. One of the girls was an attorney (advogada) and another was a doctor. Both in their 30's. I decided not to lower my standards. Guys, I went for the cream of the crop AND, very important, all of them did not live in RJ. One other thing, don't mention sex anywhere in your letters or responses. Don't mention Copacabana Beach because the girls will think you are visitng RJ for sex. I was there to find a girlfriend and possible wife. I cannot underestimate this. Brasileiras are interested in meeting foreigners and especially Americans because the Brazilian men are very macho, generally treat them like crap and play around. That was the key. To make a long story as short as possible, I met a wonderful garota of 26 years. She lives in Campo Grande and from the minute we met I knew she was the one. I spent my first visit in RJ without ever stepping my foot into a terma or even Help Disco. Figure that one out. I know some of you mongers will accuse me of blowing it and not taking full advantage of the total RJ experience, making a mistake, not living up to monger standards, but if you are a normal guy, not oversexed like some mongers on this board, you will appreciate what I did. I had one week of bliss and I will never look back. I am returning to RJ for Carnaval. It will be nice to arrive at the RJ airport and have someone waiting for you. Anyway, that's my story. You dedicated mongers can have fun blowing it to pieces, but I don't care.

Turk:

Parabems! I'll be first to wish you all the best, tudo de bom, with your Campo Grandense garota. And it's great to read about someone heading to Brazil looking for a relationship, not just fun and games. Not that there's anything wrong with la vida loca, of course! To each his own, and it's all about the EXPERIENCE and LIVING LARGE.

Abraco,

BS

That's a great story Turk. Thanks for sharing. I am a normal guy too, undersexed and all.

Turk,

I'm happy for you. You wanted to find a namorada and you prepared well and did it. There's nothing wrong with that at all.

I've decided that if I get married or have a girlfriend, I'll be a Latina, probably a Brasilera. You treat her right and you are set.

Thanks Badseed, Athos, Hombrecito1 for all the kind comments. I thought I was going to get a shallacking from the hombres, but I am pleased to hear the words of support. By the way, Hombrecito, I got a kick out of your last RJ trip report. I don't know how you guys are able to reload so quickly. I know I couldn't do it.

Turk

turk good luck! iggy sca.p.s.i wish i could do the same thing

Hey Turk! Great plan. What did your personal ad say, when you posted it?

great advice by jarule, ect. believe it or not, there are plenty of non-program girls that hook with gringos. i had a cool experience of meeting some girls on ipanema beach that asked us if we wanted to go to some club in barra that night. with no expectations due to prior activities in thermas, ect, i wound up having a great night making out with one girls as did my friend with another. we are both in our 30's and in good shape, and they were in their 20's and in REALLY good shape. after dancing we all went out for a late, late night snack and then dropped them off at their apt with no full court press for anything further. the next day they joined us at the beach, and wound up giving us both some afternoon delight. i believe they both are infatuated with guys from the US, and would like gringo amorados. the problema is that they tend to cling harder than the pros do, and when you become hard to hook up with, they know exactly what is going on. many times my girl asked me how many girls i had in rio.

the fact remains the more port you speak the better your chances are with regular girls. my goal is to become fluent as i intend to spend the rest of my life in brasil, but at the moment i am a low level intermediate. its the desire to speak that will get you there.

Best of luck to you Turk. I also have been to RJ 6 times in the last year, and have not been to a terma, called an escort agency, or tried to meet someone in a bar. It is really possible. Of course I have been to BA several times, and just got back from Panama yesterday. My days of visiting other places will not be much longer either because my RJ friend would not let me go anywhere else by myself then. Even when I am in RJ, she gets upset if I look sideways. Very jealous ladies, but I guess I can understand why they are that way.

Turks idea of the way to meet people is also a great one.

If you cannot talk to them in Portuguese, try talking to them in Spanish (assuming you know Spanish) because many of these ladies can speak Spanish.

Again, best of luck to you.

CP

Some of you other guys should try what Turk has done. It is really not that hard. This is probably also quite doable in BA also.

Hey guys. Thanks again for the kind comments. I finally got around to posting the pics of my trip to Rio de Janeiro. You can see the pictures of Cristiane, my girlfriend. Sorry guys, no nudies. Those are reserved for me. :-) Here is the link:

http://photomail.photoworks.com/sharing/album.asp?Key=1~FQQ4aBru.cJD6BiopPn0Kh4iU/8BnKph7dKYlV4cFgqA.e6EoIIAX5CIYIk7HR.J

You might want to paste the above to your browser address window. If you have any problems send me an email.

Turk5555

Turk,

Looks like you had a blast,

Where was the photo taken on the 4th row down with the view?
I notice lots of photos from others, were also taken there.

CN

Turk
Nice photos ! I for one enjoy trip photos and don't really need Knewdy pics
Looks like you had a good time and just like me I go for the non pros. It is just as easy to find a non pro to hook up with than it is to find a working chica.
I have been with a non pro chica now for nearly 2 years and have a few other non pros on the side.
The money you save is great but the only problem is emotional value

Good Luck on your adventures
Milkman

It is to laugh, Milkman! "It is just as easy to find a non pro to hook up with than it is to find a working chica." You can't be serious with this comment, can you?

Turk has given us all one good tactic for finding a non pro, I have to admit, and I'm rearin' to try it out. But I think "just as easy" is pretty hyperbolic, ain't it? I mean, I (personally) wouldn't be involved in the "hobby" AT ALL if I found it "just as easy" to get laid outside of it, I have to admit. The ONLY reason I'm "driven" to coitus with providers, is that non-providers so seldom allow it.

Your experiences have been different? In which case, WHY OH WHY do you pay for it?

Geez ... the things I learn on these forums ... my mind is spinning ...

Hi Turk,

Very inspiring story. I hope you have the best of luck.

I tried located the websites you recommended, but could not do so from the information you provided. Could you provide the complete URLs or series of links to the following sites you mention: Check out Yahoo! Encontras Brasil and MSN Brasil Personals?

Thanks.

Johnny,

Here's the links to Yahoo! Encontras Brasil and MSN Brasil Personals.

http://br.encontros.yahoo.com

http://paquera.msn.com.br

You will have to become a paying member in order to send and receive emails and chat with the garotas.

Everything is in Portuguese so if you "Nao falo Portuguese", you may have a problem registering and communicating with the garotas.

Here are is some helpful advice:

1) Indicate your STATE (estado) and CITY (cidade) as RIO DE JANEIRO and RIO DE JANEIRO because the garotas will be searching for men living in that area

2) Be nice to the GAROTAS at all times (Brazilian men treat women like trash so male chauvinism is the last thing they want from a Gringo)

3) Don't mention anything about sex

4) Don't get overly aggressive or suggestive (you are not in a terma)

5) Mention that you are interested in a relationship (casual and serious) because the garotas are looking for a honey not a one-night stand

6) Don't ever mention that you will be staying in Copacabana (I would recommend Ipanema, Leblon or Barra de Tijuca)

7) Don't mention how much money you make (for obvious reasons)

8) Reason for visiting is business or to see Carioca friends who recommended RJ to you

9) Post your pictures (something tasteful with full body shot if possible because image is everything plus the garotas like a guy who takes care of himself)

10) Write in Portuguese (if possible) to increase your chance of a response as the garotas speak very little Ingleis.

Good luck to you and anyone reading this post.


Turk

Regarding item 8, "reason for visiting," could it be for soccer matches? I'm conversant in "o jogo bonido" but not in Portugues, and I could plausibly want to visit for Fla Flu or some such. Is that a good idea (know something about the culture, have excellent cover) or a bad idea (typical machismo Brasilian stupid male trick)?

Book-Guy,

I think soccer matches would work good during soccer season. The garotas love soccer, called futebol in Brasil and most other latin countries. I would drop the machismo attitude. That's exactly what you do not want if you want to hook up with a non-pro garota. A buddy of mine was in Rio same time as me and he was an associate professor and was in Rio to buy Brazilian art. He knew absolutely nothing about artwork, but he eventually hooked up with an art student from one of the universities that he met at an Art Feira. There are probably other ways to meet a non-pro, but it's really up to you. I hope this helps.

It's nice to see interest in this thread. Non-pro garotas are super legal and I completely adore them.

Here are my experiences after having hit practically EVERY worthwhile non-pro dancetaria, barzinho, and cafe in SP and Rio over the last 6 months.

Brazilians girls make it very simple for you. If they like you, they'll give you THE STARE. Now don't mistake the "who's that gringo freak?" look, with the "that guy is cute, let me try to get his attention" look. believe me, i'd gotten both. if you have any experience picking up girls in life, you'll know the difference.

if the girl is quite taken with you, you'll get the stare for an extended period of time. don't ignore them!! and don't ogle them!! just make sure they know that you noticed. and make sure you occassionally glance over at them as well.

of course, you'll want to make the move pretty quickly after this initial paquerando period. after that, it's up to you how well you can bater um bom papo. oh, and any decent chemistry + dancing will be enough of an invitation to make out with your partner. french kissing a girl you just met is incredibly more common and casual than in the u.s.

now YMMV depending upon 3 very important factors: age, race/looks, portuguese skills

starting with age: if you're over 40 (and look it), bad news. i rarely saw guys this old scoring with the younger gals. it's absolutely possible, but not in the barzinho scene. if you're under 35 and look it, it's all good. brazilian girls like their men a little bit more mature anyhow.

race/looks: touchy subject but i'll cover it since i've had friends of all types here in brazil go wingman with me.

if you're black, you'll have an uphill battle. total negros in brasil usually end up as the bouncers at these clubs, and you'll find the rare negro custmomer inside. the girls will consequently associate you with the 'lower class negros' of brazilian society, making it that much more difficult for you to score. the upside is that lighter shade blacks will be more accepted (you may not even be considered a negro), and brazilians girls in general are pretty tolerant (compared to white american girls at least).

if you're asian, you'll have a slightly less uphill battle. asian stereotypes exist in brasil, and it's common for asian brazilians to get made fun of on televion and in real life. koreans and chinese in SP are ghettoized and barely speak portuguese. as such, they are associated as lower class immigrants, such status may be conferred onto you. japanese are more assimilated, but still ghettozied somewhat in liberdade. having said that, most of the younger asians in brazil date non-asian brazilians, and interracial dating and marriage is almost the rule and not the exception. if you're taller and reasonably good looking, you should do fine.

if you're white, good news! as long as you're younger, in reasonably decent shape, and not ugly, you may very well fall along the spectrum of what brazilians consider "good looking." just check any of the novelas on o globo or record...if you look like the guys on it, you'll be a hit. having said that, rio tastes differ from SP tastes. rio girls like their guys TANNED. if you're white and pasty, it's considered unsexy and dorky. SP is different. white and pasty is much more common among the guys here, so you'll fit in more.

Portuguese skills: quite possibly the most important of all factors. with the non-pros, you MUST BE ADVANCED. sure, the patricinhas speak english, but they don't like to. and prefer portuguese to flirt in anyhow. meia pataca "estou com fome...tudo bem...cuanto e...falo um pouco...sou americano...etc" crap is not going to be enough. this may be where most guys fall short. basically, it comes down to this. if you can carry a conversation in portuguese for hours, and are able to crack jokes (that the girl laughs at), you're good to go. if not, it's going to be brutal.

good hunting.

Great advice. I'm juuust about convinced that I need to spring for that Portugese software package at the local CompUSA ... seeing as I've all but given up on computer certification, I need something nerdy to fill my free time.

Jarule


What kind of uneducated narrow minded remark was that?
Your saying Asians are ghetto in Brazil? I'm Chinese and do you know how much money is put into the economy by Asian, especially Japanese in Sao Paulo.
If your from the US, you must live in fucking North Dakota or on the farms on Arkansas.

"if you're Asian, you'll have a slightly less uphill battle. Asian stereotypes exist in brasil, and it's common for asian brazilians to get made fun of on televion and in real life. koreans and chinese in SP are ghettoized and barely speak portuguese. as such, they are associated as lower class immigrants, such status may be conferred onto you. "

Jarule, if you are talking to an educated women in Brazil most likely from Ipanema up to Barra they will know Asians are far from being ghetto. I went to a club in Ipanema and all the girls asked me What did I do for a living in the states? (I wonder Why?) In SP how can they critiqued Asians, because we have better jobs than the natives and we dont speak Portuguese. There may be some pissed off Brazilians who dont like us, maybe because we moved into there city and were there bosses now but that's too bad. Why? are we ghetto in Brazil do we Sell drugs in the favelas, have shoot outs with the police on the streets or rob tourists?
You must get your education from the favela girls at help. All the Muletta/black girls at help hated me because I wouldn't look twice at them, even if they wanted to give me free pussy I wouldn't touch that shit would a 10 ft pole. They would argue with me, but I tell them to try and learn to read and write and stop letting there fathers fuck them in the ass. No, Asians with the right mind would touch them. Every girl that wanted me when I was in Rio was from SP; a few of them told me If I went there I wouldn't have a problem hooking up. (SP girls must love ghetto men)

The only thing I hated when I was in Rio was all the girls assumed I had large amount of cash on me because I was Asian and was in some type of business.
Next time I go back, I'm going to ask for a discount because were so ghetto and Jarule declared it.

To all the other guys who are reading, language is your priority after that beef up your sweet talk and your in. It's not like the states, they're more ladies than men there.

CN

Jarule,

I thought that you were a brotha...but by reading your post, I now think differently....

I knew i might piss some people off. but you guys have to understand that brazilians are NOT PC as to race.

i was watching a prime time soccer show yesterday. you know what the host said? it's scientifically known that negro athletes heal faster than white athletes...so he should be back in the lineup in a few weeks. everyone on the program nodded (including the negro athlete he was referring to!), and not a stir was raised.

imagine if this happened in the u.s.? get over your u.s. sensibilities alright guys? this is a different country. i'm just talking about the BARRIERS people have to overcome to be a successful womanizer in brazil with the NON-PROS.

as for 'ghetto'. i meant ghettoized - meaning relegated to a particular section of Sao Paulo.
i'm asian, i live in sao paulo, and i'm dating an upper class brazilian chick, so i think i may have a better handle on this topic than you. but yes, japanese have a better rep than koreans and chinese.

in any case, i'm just talking generalities based on my experience, and those of my friends. if you choose to disagree or flame way, go ahead.

and i am not saying you'll have tons of success just cuz you're white. ugly is ugly...especially to the body/looks conscious cariocas. but just check the brazilian novelas and tell me how many asian or black guys are made into sex symbols on them. that's a reality.

Jarule,

I'm a brotha (Black American), and I have been to Brasil quite a bit...I do fine with the ladies, thank you....

Where's KidCisco when you need him??

Gee SB Eye dont' kno butt I kan phil in phor him
LOL

the board has been nice and quiet do not wake him

MM

Gee what a surprise. Rasdashon has found offense again ... in a post which is CLEAR about the fact that it is REPORTING about OTHER people's behaviors, and NOT condoning them.

Flame bait. Oh MODERATOR ...

Rasdashon,

That's great you're able to pick up the non-pros as a tourist. You're portuguese must be pretty good.

interesting conversation I had with a brazilian guy the other day (whose opinions i totally agree).

he said in the u.s., if you are an old fat bald guy in your 40s, you can kiss picking up hot 18 year old girls good bye.

in brazil, in his opinion, fat old bald guys (even if they're married) have thousands of 18 year old hotties to choose from as their mistress/girlfriend.

the primary factors: the old brazilian guy MUST be able to talk well AND provide stability & security for the girl.

unfortunately, most tourists will meet none of these factors. bad portuguese, short-time stay in brazil, and looking to bang as many girls as possible.

BUT, if you master the language, move to brazil, and have good income, welcome to paradise. you'll be fucking 'till they close the lid on your coffin!!

as i stated before, if you're a reasonable decent looking young guy, forget about it. you'll have your pick of the litter given language skills.

Sounds great. Are there any other cultures on the planet where that might be the case? I'm not fluent in Portugese and, although I love soccer, I can't see myself becoming a Brasilian convert. Germany? Heh ... probably not ...

To my fellow hombres,

I just spoke with my Brasileira girlfriend who informed me that she has a close friend who would like to meet an American man. My girlfriend's friend is named GILDA and she lives outside of Rio de Janeiro. My girlfriend speaks very highly of Gilda. Gilda is 32 years old, 5ft 5in, medium weight, attractive and morena. Gilda is single does not have children. I do not have a picture of Gilda, but will obtain one when I visit my girlfriend for Carnaval. She is looking for a man between 30 and 45 years of age. You should be in good shape, good looking, educated, employed, honest, sincero, honesto and carinhoso (that's sincere, honest and loving for you non-portuguese speaking hombres). You do not have to be rich so long as you have good qualities, employed and sincere about a possible relationship with a Brasileira woman. If interested please email me and I will provide you Gilda's email address. Hey hombres, this is your opportunity.


Turk

I'd like to talk to Gilda. What's your E-mail Address?

Hey Turk,

How's everything,

about your girlfriends friend, sounds more like she is looking for the jackpot than an american man? If an american is going to visit her in Brazil as a girlfriend why should she be worried about if he is employed, good shape? If she is thinking about coming to the states the last thing she should worried about is if the guys good looking or in great shape. I also have a girlfriend in Rio and I may have her visit here but thats about it. what the hell is she going to do here if she stays? Most likely I have to feed and cloths her, to some guys this may be there thing but not my idea of an ongoing relationship. On the other hand if she doesn't want to come to the US then I can understand why she is being selective.

CN

Ceenotes:

Believe me, Brasileiras care a lot about what you look like, whether you take care of yourself, your body, whether you are employed. Other qualities they want in a man is honesty, sincereity, compatability. No self-respecting Brasileira would hop on the first plane to the USA to meet some gringo with a thick wallet. I think you need to stop typecasting Brasileiras as money grubbers. I am sure there are a some Brasileiras that will try to rip you off, but that goes on everywhere not just in Brasil. If you are going to question a Brasileiras motive for meeting an American then you do not understand Brasilian culture very well. Brazilian men treat their women like trash, two-time them all the time, abuse them and generally make poor husbands. Brasileiras find Americanos a refreshing change from their Brazilian counterparts. If you are going to question Gildas motives then you should stick with the termas. Gilda is a good lady, trust me on this one.

Hi Sbronx77 and other Hombres:

If you are interested in contacting Gilda you can do so by emailing me at:

MARCELLODOGUZMAN@HOTMAIL.COM

I will forward your information to Gilda. A short profile and pic would be appreciated.

Thanks,


Turk

Turk,

I think it's just a cover when they want to be with an american. Brasileiras has a total different cultures then us gringos, so why do they want to make a transition.
What good looking guy in the states with a big wallet don't two time, or better yet any guy with a big wallet who doesn't two time and a guy without a wallet who want's to two time.
I think the only difference, is that we spend more money to have a good time while probably the Brazilian men, dont pay for or support anything.

I notice here in California, I run into a few brasileiras here and there and it's all about buying drinks and dinner like they never had a meal before.
Mainly, I meet alot of them at the bars and they have baby-sitting jobs or work less than 15 hours a week, waiting for that lucky "American"

CN