Don't know if anyone else has done this yet but..



Here's a picture of Darren James from the web. Someone please confirm that its him. I got it from this article http://www.avn.com/index.php?Primary_Navigation=Articles&Action=View_Article&Content_ID=80483.

Would it be possible for some Hombre's on the ground in Rio to take it into 4x4, Monte Carlo and anywhere else he is supposed to have gone and circulate it?

Seems like we owe it to the garotas. Maybe we can get the picture posted in their work area or something. If they had sex with him they need to know he is HIV+ and they need to get tested.

Ixtoc

Just spoke to a person at the Adult Industry Medical Health Care Foundation that is developing the quarantine list.

The word there is that they are "trying" to work with Brazil but "its kind of difficult given the language barrier"

Ixtoc...no problem: tell them to contact me. I'd be happy to help them with the "language problem". Inbox me for my number.

Or give them SweetMesquites number

Right...Sweet could translate into the same language that Robin Williams used when he played Mork...

in exchange for some red wine.

And a short nap.

In 65's relax room.

Catocony:
I heard the story about the monger dying in Lúomo first hand from his `supposedly buddy´ when I was in Help. I have no idea whether it really happened or not, only, what his so-called buddy told me, but he did seem pretty sincere. You must have found some evidence to show this story was false?

Amous,

Yeah, this week I've asked a dozen garotas at Luomo plus the three at the front desk and not one had any idea what I was talking about.

If it was true, they would have said so. I'm always amazed by the indepth info you can get from the girls.

The verdict is in (link to the news article). Darren James got it in Brazil and he infected Laura Roxx. The viral load test results came back with Darren at 121,000 (declining) and Laura at 605,000. If you look at the viral load profile, this narrows down her infection time to around the suspected March 24, and is consistent with Darren being infected on March 10 (viral load tests done during the third week of April, Darren tested HIV- on March 17, and Laura Roxx tested HIV- mid March).

Third HIV+ case: Jessica Dee who worked with Darren James around the same time that Laura Roxx did. Given the weak infectiousness of HIV, the likelihood of this happening is becoming questionable. One more HIV+ case and I will officially smell a rat.

By the way, here is an article about the US-Brazil porn connections.

Keep in mind that this supposedly occurred at a time when his viral load was very high. It would seem reasonable that this would increase the likelihood of an infection much above the norm.

You can get HIV pretty easily taking it in the ass without a condom. (receiving that is) It's fairly hard to catch from vaginal sex. Taking it in the ass without a condom would be my bet on how all THREE of them got it.

Sancho,


Good point - Rio is also the gay monger capital of the Americas, so it is possible that Darren visited a gay terma or two on his trip to Rio.

My point exactly. Not that I'm trying to tell anyone that Rio girls are perfectly safe to fuck bareback, or that you can't catch HIV from a GP. It's just that getting HIV from "pitching" rather than "catching" is very rare. Occam's Razor -most probable theory that fits the facts - DJ caught AIDS the old fashioned way (up the ass) and the rest is all cover-up by the porn industry scrambling to explain how there "rigourous testing" failed to catch this case (and to cover up that one of their "leading men" switch hits).

Again, I dont' care how hard it is to catch AIDS from vaginal sex, I'm keeping it covered.

BS

Another famous Porn producer got aids by fucking a shemale sin condom and probably took it in the ass also. This is going back some time ago butt all this publicity can't be good for both the porn industry and the mongering hobby.

If more come down with the virus things will go under a microscope. New laws perhaps also.

I know another porn producer who fucks shemales while dressed as spiderman. I hope he's ok!

DonGringo

But he makes the she-males wear condoms

Thank GOODNESS!
At least SOMEONE in this crazy world is as sane as you Milky.

Phoenixguy:

You are right. The high viral load does increase the infectiousness (about 5 times at the peak of more than 1,000,000). What is strange in this case is that Darren had sex with Laura only 7 days after the virus was undetectable in his blood stream using the DNA/PCR test. The viral load typically does not get that high that fast.

Then again, there are no statistics for infectiousness in the case of double anal.

BTW, I am discounting the odds of the first two infections as biased, since this is what got the story to our attention in the first place. It is the third infection that got me thinking, since now we are dealing with unbiased odds.

Badseed I agree 100%. That's why I pointed out this line in the original press release which didn't exactly rule it out.

It is not known if James engaged in high-risk behaviors such as unprotected anal sex with men or sharing needles during drug use.

Whether it is Darren James or Magic Johnson it always a possibility. IMO a significant proportion of heterosexual HIV infection (though not all) is from men who are closet homosexuals or bisexuals. They're hardly going to come out in public and say "Yeah, I got it from another guy fucking me up the ass". Even Freddie Mercury who was a rampant queer denied it in public.

(Message edited by Ardgneas on May 01, 2004)

Back to 4x4, I finally went last night to see the girl I know, Dahlia (4-15 post above), who worked with Darren James in a porn film. She did not know anything about this story. If she wasn't quarantined after definitely working with him, who would be? I don't believe it. She also said she tests every month, as 4x4 requires, and she has been clean every time. I kind of scared the shit out of her and she counted up the tests since she worked. 6, 6 months, so she is relieved. Have to admit I am too. I've been with her a lot.

Oh one more thing, if she doesn't know I bet few if any girls know. Or management.

The Risk of Oral Sex
Transmission of HIV via oral sex has always been considered a possibility, but one of low risk. In several cohorts of patients with primary infection, transmission via oral sex seemed to be the only route in a small but real proportion of patients.[10] In a very rigorous study, Dillon and colleagues appear to have clearly pinpointed oral transmission in approximately 7% of primary infection cases.[11] Originally, 16.4% of cases were thought to be due to oral transmission; however, on careful review, more than half of these cases had other possible risk factors.

Innocent-- Even the most rigorous study still requires the subject to be absolutely truthful about their sexual life. Few if any are. The cohort of an HIV infected partner has a lot of reasons to be looking for some outside enjoyment-- not the least of which is revenge for his/her partner's indiscretion. You think they will readily admit that to the researcher ??
The only way to do such a study with accuracy is to surgically attach a researcher to each subject. I am unaware of such a study to date.

BTW Guys who enjoy and partake in DATY should visit the dentist often. The obvious and easiest route for oral transmission is thru periodontal disease with bleeding gums and exposure of the inner surface of the gum to viral load !!

Yes, I agree and your point is well taken. This was an excerpt from a recent anti retroviral conference I found on the web.

I don't DATY whores, anymore but I still enjoy a BBBJ occassionaly.

We have to keep it covered for sex and our fingers crossed on the blow jobs.

Although the odds are slim we don't want to draw the card...

A fourth HIV+ case, but unrelated to the Darren James cases, so I do not yet smell a rat

A fourth adult film performer has tested positive for the virus that causes AIDS but the case is unrelated to an Outbreak that virtually shut down pornography production last month, an industry health care official said on Tuesday. A transsexual actress who goes by the stage name Jennifer tested positive for HIV on Tuesday and had last performed a sex scene on February 27 with two male actors who have since tested negative.

http://www.cnn.com/2004/US/West/05/04/health.porn.reut/index.html

5th case now is starts to get serious!
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SHERMAN OAKS, Calif. - Miss Arroyo has been diagnosed as HIV-positive, becoming the fourth victim of the HIV virus in the current outbreak.

Yesterday a transsexual named Jennifer was found to be HIV-positive, but was believed to be unrelated to the other cases.

AVN Calls for Production Halt
While AIM Healthcare Foundation would not disclose the identity of the performer when they announced that there was another positive result, Miss Arroyo’s test results were known to be pending, and her manager Dick Nasty confirmed that the results of her test were positive.

Nasty reports that Arroyo, who is approximately 25-years-old, is handling the news very well. “She’s doing pretty good. I was the one that was upset,” Nasty said. “She’s taking it very well.”

Arroyo performed in a double anal scene with Darren James and another unknown man on March 30, and is believed to have caught HIV virus at that time.

Nasty says that while Arroyo is originally from San Francisco, she is planning on staying in the Los Angeles area.

“Going for counseling, that sort of stuff has already been arranged. I don’t want what she’s going to do in the way of a job, but she’s definitely going to stay here,” he said.

Arroyo has worked in the adult industry for approximately four years.

Nasty also represented Jessica Dee, the third victim of the current outbreak. There are currently two men who worked with Jessica Dee that have pending test results. meaning that they have not received a positive, nor a negative test result.

Jennifer, the transsexual performer who was diagnosed as HIV-positive yesterday, hadn't worked within the adult industry since Feb. 27, well before the current outbreak began. She was in New York, where reportedly she did some work as an escort.

Tony Sexton and Maxx Blacc are the only two performers who are on Arroyo's first-generation list, having worked with her on April 1 and April 5, respectively.

Blacc was also on Lara Roxx's first-generation list, and had a negative HIV test on April 27, more than 30 days after he worked with Roxx.

Both men were already quarantined, and so a second-generation list is not expected.

I hereby officially smell a rat. Too many cases of infection per encounter.

I hope it is the double anal, and not a mutation of good old HIV that has become more infectious. Otherwise we are in royal trouble.

Found this post on a porn news site. Here's the link http://adultfyi.com/read.aspx?ID=3420

What the post says/guesses is:

Darren James got infected by an actress that had previously appreared in a Joey Silvera shoot called Rogue Adventures 2.

I looked up the film description on the web and its a she-male series. appearently the actress appeared in at least one other shemale film.

It's fairly obvious that the risk profile of a shemale for HIV is higher than a straight performer.

Here's a quote from the post:

:Anyway, I believe, after doing quite a bit of homework, that Darren James was infected by a young Brazilian actress name ..... ...... She has not surfaced as a public HIV case and I haven't heard her name anywhere, but she has donetwo movies with she-males (Joey Silvera's Rogue adventures XX and one other). She has done a few interracial straight movies as well. People should find out where she is and what her status is because it could reflect another possible quarantine group."

This article claims the source of Darren James infection may be Bianca Biaggi, a brazilian porn actress who has worked with trannies in the past.


Man Claims that Bianca Biaggi is HIV-positive
By: Scott Ross
05-02-2004

BRAZIL - A man claiming to be a Brazilian adult director says that Bianca Biaggi is HIV-positive. Biaggi is the woman believed to have infected Darren James with HIV.

Paulo Sergio, who says he shot Biaggi’s scene in the Red Light Districts’ Yesterday I Was Seventeen video, emailed AVN.com photos of Biaggi and claims that yesterday he saw Biaggi’s positive test results.

“I bet all that I got in my life that if somebody searchs [sic] some of these trannies she worked with…one of them will be infected,” Sergio wrote. Sergio is referring to scenes in which Biaggi worked with transsexual performers.

Sergio blamed transsexual performers as well as unscrupulous foreign-directors and producers for Biaggi’s HIV.

“This is a sad thing, because she is a realy, realy [sic] nice girl…,” Sergio wrote, “but unfortunately couple foreign directors-producers becames way too ambitious and started to make all kind of shit down here in Brazil with any kind of people because is cheap [sic].”

Even if Sergio is correct regarding Biaggi’s HIV-positive test, it does not prove conclusively that she gave Darren James the virus, though it does lend credence to AIM Healthcare Foundation's theory that James was “patient zero.”

AIM's executive director Sharon Mitchell told AVN.com that James was believed to have caught HIV while working on March 10 in Brazil.

Here's a link to a video Bianca and James shot together in Brazil. Could be THE video.

http://jadedvideo.com/yz_result.asp?PRODUCT_ID=95206

So the theory goes:

1. Biaggi does anal scenes with trannies/shemales and get's HIV.

2. James does double anal insertion scene with Biaggi, trauma causes bleeding and James has a pathway open, through which he contracts the virus.

3. James brings HIV back to the US industry.

Some of your fears wrt transmission may be allayed by reading through this link.

http://hivinsite.ucsf.edu/InSite.jsp?page=pr-04-02

Interesting to note the case of the guy who had a partner of ten years who was infected and was HIV negative. Also their daughter of 16 mths was HIV negative.

At least I know what double-anal means now! Surprisely, I am not up-to-speed on modern porn - I tend to monger instead of watching videos, so feel free to call me old-fashioned.

Two dicks in a bunghole at one time - who the fuck thought that up? I mean, they must use a tube of Lidocane for the garota just to get through the shoot and I would certainly think you guarantee some internal damage for later. What a stupid fucking thing to do

Chreest, Cato, gotta be honest too, I thought double anal was one guy THEN the next -don't wath that much porn either. Talk about high-risk, how fucking crazy can you get? I mean you may as well swap spit with the "girls" in Lapa. Well, anyway mystery solved...

BS

Gotta agree with you there. I had never seen a picture or video with double a before i found this stuff. What a ridiculous idea. And with no protection.

They're both idiots. She's taking trannies and double dicks up the ass with no protection. He's doing a brazilian porn star who has a documented history of working with shemales/trannies and he's doing double a, without protection.

Looks like Darwinian theory's playing out in the porn industry

Same here. Double anal can't be particularly enjoyable for any of the parties involved.

Unfortunately it seems her booty was well and truly split with tragic consequences for DJ and others.

You know, we Brasil mongers don't find anal to be a big deal, because we can get anal easily from the garotas. It's not a tabboo subject and we know what it is. I can only assume that "double anal" is an invention for the vast majority of men who have never 3-holed a girl and most likely never will. Thus, it's a big thrill for most guys to see it.

Now, having screwed quite a few girls in the ass, we can be more rational about this, just like my initial post. I found the pics I dug up on the 'Net to be just absolutely nasty and unappealing. I know from first hand experience the "proper" (not really the right word but you know what I mean) way to do anal (lots of lube, condom on tight, a little Lidocane if the garota wants it, take it slow, etc etc) and thus find that the only result of something like double-anal is injury to the girl. Plus, on an unrelated note, as GCL would say one dick is almost too many in one room, so sliding my dick in right on top of another guys is not an appealing thought!

It's funny, when the Darren James subject first came up, more than a few posts, including mine, mentioned that he may have hit a gay terma or done a tranny or something. I guess we were pretty close. Not that this means we should all ditch our rubbers and bareback our way through termas, but the initial reports were more or less "he fucked a 4x4 garota and got HIV". That is quite different than "a Brasil porn actress barebacked a bunch of trannie porn actors, then had two dicks stuck in her ass at the same time and passed something nasty on". Not the same, is it?

Cato.. yeah, can't say I'm exactly "relieved", but still, this just goes to show you, there are high risk activities (mongering) and their are HIGH RISK ACTIVITIES (double-dicking a girls ass bareback). Not only were tehy ripping her ass up, but they were probably rubbing their own dicks raw too, how better to exchange viral vectors thru blood? Hell, DJ and the girl may have caught HIV from the other guy in the double-A, who knows?

Also, as you point out, for the lots of gringo who has never "walked on the wild side", seeing a double anal penetration may be a real thrill. And where theres an itch, there's alwyas someone ready to scratch it (and make some bucks in the process).

Bottom line is, none of us should be complacent, but using common sense and a rubber at all times should keep you safe while mongering.

BS

For what its worth, the following garotas were cited on another brazil-oriented website (bmc)as having been screwed by DJ during his Rio trip. The site did not say that they had become infected. I cant vouch for the accuracy, and if this has already been reported here, my apologies for being johnny come lately.

1.Perla (Solarium)
2.Lebara (www.lebarabrazil.com)
3.Michelly
4.Ariel (Solarium)

Assuming integrity of HIV testing, and assuming HIV still follows the old statistics, the chances that Darren James infected anyone in Brazil after he caught the virus himself are quite remote, since his DNA/PCR test was still negative after he came back, so his viral load must have been extremely small then.

I thought the test proved that he caught the virus while in Brasil. I am almost positive the more accurate viral load test showed he caught it during the first week of march which coincides with his trip. By the way, there is a girl down here who is sueing James because she says he gave her HIV.

Who is the girl Thumper?

How does one say "assumption of risk" in Portuguese?

"Eu nao vou transar sem camisinha"

Thumper:

Yes, the viral load during the third week of April (when the RNA test was administered), did indicate that he was infected around March 10 in Brazil. I was talking about the viral load while he was still in Brazil, which must have been extremely small still since the virus was not even detectable by the very sensitive DNA/PCR on March 17 (after he came back).

Laguy:

Assumption of risk as in assuming that there is risk or as in accepting the risk?

Modern day porn has been filled with really weird stuff for quite a while. Matt Stone and Trey Parker (The South Park Guys) used to work in the Valley in a building next to a major porn distributor. While there the learned a lot about porn, and when they formed a band they called it DVDA, which is the shortening for Double Vaginal, Double Anal, which was the most extreme Porn act in use. So in 1997 there was already 4 Dick action.

I am surprised that there are no risk stats on Double Anal. I mean I guarantee you this was a guys idea, and not that some girl came up with this idea, and even for guys it is a little fruity. So the chances that this type of thing happens every once in a while in the Bath Houses of San Fran is pretty much a given. There must be hundreds, if not thiousands of people who have been affected alng this rout, why are there no stats?

Peter

Sabio:
I was using lawyer language (in response to the post about a lawsuit). Assumption of risk means you cannot sue for damages that result from a risk that is reasonably known to you and have accepted (assumed) through your actions. Contracting HIV from unprotected anal sex is in this category; you reasonably should know there is a risk involved and if you end up with HIV, you cannot sue. The exception would be if your partner KNEW he or she was HIV positive and went ahead having sex with you without disclosing this fact. In that case you would have an intentional tort, in which case assumption of risk would no longer be a defense. Of course, it is possible the law is different in Brazil in this regard, although I suspect it is not.