I have 3 good friends in Rio (1 GP, 2 "regular" girls) and I'd like to invite them to visit in the US, particularly when I go on business trips on fun places (Vegas, Orlando, New Orleans, etc). These are usually conventions, so I can plan well in advance.

One of them has visited me in the US before (but her visa is now expired), Another has travelled with me to Europe (no visa required). So yes, I know them well and don't need any advice on the pitfalls of inviting them.

My question is: Does anyone has recent (i.e. past 3 years) experience with trying to get a visitor's visa to a single brazilian woman.

One of them speaks good english, has a regular well paying job (at an American oil company), owns a home, has had US visas before, so I guess that should be straight forward, right?

The other two, the ones I'm most interested in the info, are both single, never married, no kids, 29 and 30 years old, own their own appartments, have documented good balances on bank accounts, a couple of foreign stamps on their passport (Argentina, Europe, etc), speak little or no English. One is a GP, the other one makes a living managing rental property and related services. Both have no documented work history - i.e. Carteira de Trabalho is not "signed".

They both really just want to visit US/me, no plans to stay. So it is a legit tourist trip.

So what are the odds here? Does it matter who pays for the ticket (me/her)? Does it matter if I write a letter or call counsulate when they apply? If I go with them in person? Are there any things that increase or decrease their chances? Is a student visa to one of these month-long English as a second language courses offer a better chance?

Anything we can do over the next few months to build a case and/or increase the odds?

I appreciate any responses. I searched the forum and didn't see any specific info on that, or even much info on people bringing girst to the US to visit (as opposed to marry).

I would say that the first one has an excellent chance, although these days nothing is certain. As for the other two, most likely not. Owning an apartment and having money in the bank is good but they need a documented work history as well as a family in Rio that expects them to come home. Otherwise, they're just single women who have made a lot of money, relative to Brasil. And whats the best way for a good looking Brasilera to make good money and own a place without a documented work history???

I dunno Cat, mebbe giving DonGringo a prostate massage while speaking Korean??

The knobby-fingered Korean Prostate Pounder girls are definitely older than 29 and 30. My friend who owns an AMP here in DC was excited the other day when the home office in Flushing NY sent her a 35 year old unit down, she was so excited about having a "young girl".

When I lived in Korea, the old girls were in their late 20's, now in the US the young girls are in their mid-30's. Yet another reason to leave the US to hobby.

i would really like to do this also (bring some girls or a girl to the u.s. and go to new orleans, vegas, etc.) but it seems impossible to me unless the girls meet the requirements that catocony laid out (which none of the girls i have ever met on the program meet).

at this point it seems to me that sem a fiance visa it is impossible. i have thought about getting a student visa for one though. there are english classes in the us they could sign up for, then get a student visa, stay with me while they take the class, then travel with me for a while before going home. i haven't done much research on this option though. another person on here said it is possible to get a work visa to be a nanny or some such stuff so that might be another possibility.

i have talked to a few girls who actually have had consulate interviews as part of the process to try to get a visa and they they were all laughed out of the consulate.

another observation i have is that i always ask girls if they have friends who are in the us. in all cases, if they know a girl in the us, it is because they have married an american and moved to the us (or they have a fiance visa) or they have rich parents and went to orlando as a kid or are studying at a us university.

so i do not know of, nor have i heard of, a programa girl getting in another way (i.e. work, tourist or student visa).

i am kind of turned off on the idea of spending a large amount of time travelling with these girls anyway cause i get bored with them very quickly as most are not very interesting and some are not as great at they appear once you get to know them. a lot of them also downright hate guys and will never get over it cause they have worked the program so long they think we are all dogs.

The worst part is, the girls who get laughed out of the consulate paid US$100 for the pleasure - not a small sum of money in Brasil.

There are quite a few threads on CH discussing visas, so check them out. I do know girls with visas (or used to have one), but in almost all cases they received them prior to the Darth Ashcroft/Dipshit Bush regime. These days, it seems that short of a K1, your options are to maybe sponsor a single-entry visa for a religious group tour, perhaps a single-entry visa to attend a company-sponsored training class, or you can luck out like some of us and find a garota with dual citizenship from a visa-waiver country and thus they can come and go as they please.

Catocony, the student visa is a dead end, I think. Some garota I know had an american guy set everything up for her - ticket, hotel, english school enrollement, invitation letter from school, etc. Garota goes to counsulate, interviewer looks at her and "denies" the visa. She asks why, he just laughs and says goodbye. It is just one case, but I don't think the student route makes much of a difference.

When you say they need to have a "family" in Rio, what do you mean? In all cases they have brother's, sister's, etc in Rio and Mother in another state. They also can document support of the mom (health insurance, etc).

Here is a related question. How about their odds of getting a "transit" visa. Say Rio-JFK-London on AA? At least I can get them on AA free miles to Europe.

How about Canada? Do they need visas for Canada? Once in Canada is it easier to get into the US?

Boy I thought for sure a bunch of folks here would have tried to ship a garota.

Thanks for any info in advance.

I wasn't refering to a student visa, I'm talking about a single entry visa to attend a training session for a US company, or a sales meeting, or something along those lines.

As far as family, a couple of kids and a husband would suffice, something that would guarantee that they return.

Canada has about the same restrictions as the US, and you can't fly them into Toronto and Montreal and drive them over. As far as using AA miles to get a girl to Europe, use them on British Airways. Or, just meet her in the Caribbean somewhere.

I have thought about having a favorite meet me in Cabo...anybody know about Mexico and the entry requirements for Brazillians?

Copabrasil - No Visa is required. They will be issued a Tourist Visa on the plane I think? - Hemp

Sounds like a fiance visa is the best bet. Anyone knows how long the whole process takes? What documents are usually required for the girl?

Thanks.
WM

Workoutmaniac, The fiance visa is major work. 3-months to a year, and you need A LOT of paperwork, police reccords, medical tests, documentation that you have a relationship with her and real plans to get married in the US, etc, etc.... It is a lot of work and hassle to just get a girl to visit you in the US.

I managed to get a garota to UK and Spain. Spain = easy no issue, UK = just made it. No need for visa for brazilians to go to Europe, but countries can deny entry if they suspect they'll be staying. UK sent home 6K Brazilians our of 100K that tried to get in in 2004 (6% rejection rate). Girl definetely must have a good story to get in.

I think I'll try getting one to Canada or US transit visa next, see how much of a hassle that is.

I just hoped someone had a semi sure fire formula of what to line up for Canada, then transit visa for USA, then visitor's visa to USA.

I think that colecting these stamps on her passport will help.

It sure beats getting "engaged" to one though.

Doesn't anyone out there have experience getting a canadian or american visitor's visa for a brazilian chick?

Thanks, Gatopardo.

Yes, if anyone has any luck or experience getting an American visa for a garota, I'd love to hear your stories. There gotta be something to learn from.

Hire her as a contractor for your company. Send a letter that she needs to come to the US for 2 weeks-30 days for training. Guarantee her expenses and return to Br. sign the letter as Pres of the company. Send it to immigration and she will be on the next plane.
Very simple. Takes about 2 weeks

...ditto to Sandman's suggestion, realistically it's about the only way to get a girl into US for a visit. Gotta love the power of big business in Congress, they can even push around the INS. L-1 is the biggest visa fraud going.. basically it's a perfectly legal way to bring in a foreign worker to do your job and then kick him back home as soon as it's done... that's why the computer contracting business has gone to hell, but that's another story.

As for the other bringing GF to the US schemes, a quick overview:

Tourist Visa - forget it, I won't even go into all the reasons why she'll be denied.

Fiancee Visa - Yes, it's doable but waaay too much hassle. Basically, the consulate wants to make sure that your engagement is not a scam (her paying YOU for a fake marriage, going rate is about US$10K). Naturally, you are guilty untill proven innocent, so you have come up with a lot of documentation to make it look legit and any HINT of shadiness will get you rejected. Then she can only come here once - within 90 days of the visa being issued and you must marry her within 90 days or she must go home. Again, way too much hassle.

Religious groups - this used to be THE way for an ordinary brazilian to get into the US (still is to some extent). Since we live in a virtual theocracy, the powers that be a very, very happy to allow people to come to the US and do "bible studies", as long as they come in a group sponsored by some church (preferably protestant christian). It's amazing how many brazilians have "found religion" before they got to the US. However, post-911, the INS has significantly tightented this loophole, you have to document a long-term affilaition with your church and that you've gone on other church tours, etc before you can get this visa. For brazilainis who want to immigrate here, it's still worth putting in two or three years as an ersatz jesus-freak in order to get their bona-fides. But to bring a GP up here for a fling? That being said, I once fucked a born-again (evangelica) GP in Sao Paulo.. afer we were done "wrestling", she tried to convert me!

Canada or Mexico: Now have tourist visa requirements as stringent as the USA. This is partially because of US pressure to do so, partially because they are sick of being a conduit to the US, and in Canada's case because they have their own illegal immigrant headaches (not to mention asylum abuse).

U.S. Transit visa / "visitors visa": Transit visa is just as hard to get as a tourist visa, untill proven otherwise, you are assumed to be a terrorist hell-bent on slipping out of the airport and getting a job flipping burgers at the local Slurpee's. What's a visitor's visa? I know that the INS treats non-Canadian visitors from Canada the same as they treat anyone else (like shit). On a side note, I once had a brasileira girlfriend vist me here in USA (she was a Varig stewardess, therefore already had a visa) and we decided to go visit Quebec (it was summer I was in love, what can I tell you?). No, you can't just wave your brazilian passport and US visa as you go across the border, we had to go to the Canadian consulate and jump thru hoops to get her a Canadian visa. All this to drink some Labatt's.. well, I was young and stupid (now I'm just old and stupid).

All in all, if you just want to get together with your brasileira gf and have a good time, go to the Carribean or Spain (time of year dictates which is cheaper). Short of marriage, the only concievable reason to bring her to the USA si so that you can have a warm brasileira waiting for you at home when you get back from work (as opposed to using up vacation time), and believe me, the reality of that scenario is WAAAAY different than your fantasy. Leaving a brasiliera runnign around loose for 10 hours a day in the USA is a Jerry Springer episode waiting to happen...

hehehe, brings back memories of a carioca girlfriend who decided to go downtown in Philly on the bus (20 years ago, student visa).. She was wearing typical carioca going-to-the-beachwear.. a tanga bikini bottom, no top, and a fishnet see-thru mini-dress on top. When she got home she said to me "There was almost a riot on the bus, are all americans this crazy?!?"

Good Luck!

BS



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Good stuff. Thanks.

Sounds like a student visa is hopeless since it wasn't even mentioned above.

I like the contractor idea.

See Workoutmaniac I told you the guys on the board would help you out. - Hemp

Thanks sandman.

What exactly does it mean to hire her as a contractor? Do we need to draft a services contract?

Won't it be just as obvious during the interview that she does not meet the standards as if she were applying for a tourist visa?

I find it hard to believe that a sinple letter from a US corp (which is easy to produce), whithout a work experience backup, would magically get her through the interview.

I had a hard time doing the reverse, getting a guy from my company a business visa for Brazil. He had some bad attitude at the brazilian consulate in NYC and got his visa denied. I had to write a letter plus get a letter from brazilian company to straighten it out.

I can't believe it would be that much easir to getting a garota a single-visit work/training visa.

What makes it sail?

How about tring to get her in as a domestic worker, nanny or "au pair" directly or through an agency? Does that fly?

I think these details are better left to discussions off the board

why?

Because each persons situatiuon will be different with different complications as well as opportunities......and, I don't want to have to type that much!

Let me leave the group with one word:

Telemarketing.

No specific educational or previous experience required to be documented but training a definate must......! And; You do not even need an office to operate. Can work out of their homes!!!!!

Think out of the box guys!

Workout and GatoPardo:

Regarding student visas, nanny/domestic situations, a au-pairs:

Student VIsas: Since 911 the INS has gotten very strict about these visas, starting with requiring the students to show that they are actually taking the courses where and when they said they would, and having toughened the procedures for acrediting the schools and courses. Don't know all the exact details, but the bottom line is that you can no longer jsut sign up for "language courses" in the USA and get a visa (aviation courses may be easier to get, as we all know the government hasn't done anything about implementing REAL security, but that's another story)

Domestic and Nanny visas: these are for dimplomats only, so they can bring their "help" with them while stationed here in USA.

Au Pair: This is specifically and only for people that already have a student visa. The au pair programs allow kids to make some money babysitting when they are otherwise officially forbidden from working in the USA. Not to mention allt he cultural benefits, blah, blah, blah. Anyway, doesn't help you with your garota.

Again, Sandman's approach is best. Or just go on another Rio trip, for chrissakes!

BS

Damn, with all the hassles, yes, it's really easier to make a few trips to Rio during the year. Oh, meet that chick in the Carribean--dollar is better spent there.

Still keeping the telemarketing contractor idea in mind though.

You guys are the best. Awesome advice.

WM

Does Mexico really have tough visa requirements for Brasilians?

Mitch no Visa problems at all. All they need is a passport and they then get a tourist visa I believe on the plane and pay some $ when they arrive in Mexico. - Hemp

That's what I thought but it was described differently above.

guys don't ever take a monkey from the jungle...very bad idea...leave them there and go play with them when you can.....

I know two girls who work at centaurus and both of them share an american boyfriend. i am close friends with both of them. the man is currently trying to get them student visas to come to the united states. he has registered them at a community college here and sent them the program guide and their registrations. however he did not get the i-4 or whatever the name of the form you need from the school is. also, looking on the visa website you need to prove that someone will pay your expenses etc. so i don't know how well it will go if he is listed as the sponsor. i don't think he knows what he is doing but i hope he is successful, i will let you know. from everything i have read here it will be difficult for him though.

if he suceeds it will be great for me because the guy is married and lives close to me. if the girls come they will only be with him once or twice a week so the rest of the time is for partying (hopefully with me!) they will have their own apartment.

I don't think it will happen but I wish the guy luck and hope he has "Real" deep pockets. -Hemp

Two leaches from Centaurus sharing a married gringo, I can't wait to see the fleecing that guy is going to get! I assume he's already paying plenty, and in the US is he going to pay for their apartment and everything in it?

From your description I doubt he'll get it done. If getting a garota in is as easy as signing her up at the local community college to take $400 worth of classes, we would all be doing it, right?

Well, if it does work, pass on the particulars to the board so a few others can give it a try.

I hope he gets them in, but I know someone that tried exactly that. Signed garota to US school, did the I4, bought her tickets (not just reservation, actual round trip paper tickets), sent (by FEDEX) signed letter saying they were long time friends and he was paying her expenses, etc.

Garota goes for the counsulate interview, guy looks at her, looks at application for 30 seconds and stamps "DENIED". She asks why, they guy laughs and calls "next".

Also, you should know that a new soap-opera started a few days ago on TV in Brazil titled "America". Now, this soap on globo routinely gets 80%+ of viewers. It is a major deal that everyone talks about. The whole thing is about people trying to find ways to get into the US legaly and illegaly. The writer spend 2 years doing research on the subject, so every brazilian garota will be an "expert" on immigration tricks soon. I think some of it is filmed on location in Houston.

Pre 9/11 the student VISA was pretty easy to get. I helped several chicas from Mexico get theirs. Most got in without a problem.

Since 9/11 most have gotten turned down.

The great thing about it is basically she gets to stay as long as she keeps taking classes.

yeah, i don't have high hopes however the great thing about it is that i don't have to spend any money and hopefully i will get some benefits if it does work out

apparently the guy is paying for everything, he must have very deep pockets, evidently he owns a company or something, whatever, the bottom line is i am hoping that it works out for him because not only will i know it works, but also the girls will be here and we will have some fun together. stay tuned. at this point is looks like his opinion is that by registering them at the community college, etc. he thinks they will slide in with ease so we will see how hard he works to get some of that centaurus ass close by his home for a while so he doesn't have to bang his wife once he finds out it will take a little more work he is definitely going to get fleeced by the girls, it will easily cost him 20k or so just for the tuition, rent, plane tickets, and other things.

it is funny someone mentioned the program america, i am seeing ads for it all over brazil, and the one girl is in the tabloids frequently (the younger one with the dirty face in the ads). i thought it was just about one girl trying to get across the mexican border or something so it is good that you explained it a little better. i know it is a big deal in country and everyone will be watching.

speaking of tv, why does everyone in brazil care so much about big brother, when someone gets kicked off the show it is on the front page of the paper and all the girls watch it. in the US it was pretty much a ratings loser.

Good call Gato.. I was forced to watch the premiere of America with a bunch of garotas before we went out partying. My Portuguese is not what it should be so i was just sitting back checking them all out. (they didnt notice as they were so focused on the show.. Well if they did they didnt care anywayz)

I was in town when the big finale of "Senhora do Destino" happened and the garotas were really bummed it had ended. For some reason I forgot that in the Latin world the telenovelas last a few months, complete a story cycle and are then over and a new show comes on. For two years I thought the nightly Globo novela was the same one, like US afternoon soap operas. Hey, they all looked the same, white rich Portuguese brasileros hanging out. I guess the novelas are fairly formulatic; at least the actors seemed the same.

The new one sounds half interesting, I'm sure it will lead to some interesting conversations. Talking about TV is a great icebreaker, since watching TV is part of the holy garota triumverate that includes eating and sleeping. I was chatting with a garota in Porto Alegre and asked if she was sad about the upcoming finale to SdD and her face lit up and she rattled on for a few minutes about the show. I picked up some of it - my Portuguese vocabulary has expanded but not enough to understand a soap opera fan go off on how much she hates the old woman charactor, which of the charactors is what, etc. She was surprised that a gringo even knew what Globo was and what any of the shows are, much less a novela like SdD. I explained that my namorada watched it most nights and I would watch a bit of it with her while reading or making dinner or whatever. She was amazed that, one, a rich Americano would actually know how to cook, much less make dinner for his GF, and second, that I would show enough interest in her to hang out while she watched a novela. I made a joke that brasileros must all go to watch football in the evenings with their friends (translation - go out whoring) and she laughed and said that's generally the case, the maid cooks and everyone eats later after the novelas and "futbol with friends".

I don't know for sure how this will work but has anyone consider using the only thing that will open any and every door in Brazil. $$$$
No matter what you want there is always someone that will provide for the right price. I have been doing a little bit of research and have found a few leads. But still working on it.

My advice:

Do NOT try to buy a fake VISA.

If you need "help" getting a chica a VISA, then buy fake documentation to back up her VISA application.

First, it is MUCH easier to get, and second she ends up with a REAL US issued VISA.

I have no idea about Brazil, but in Mexico it generally will cost $2-3,000 US to get a good set up paperwork to support a VISA application.

just as an update, the centaurus girls are not going anywhere with the guy mentioned above in my previous posting. he called and said that it would cost him 20k to do it and that he did not want to spend that much money. the mentioning of the 20k amount (which was mentioned in my post above) and the proximity to our postings here regarding the subject lead me to believe that he read the postings on this board perhaps and decided not to do it. maybe that isn't the case but the 20k amount being the exact amount mentioned above, as well as the proximity of his call to the postings makes me believe it is. oh well, at least he saved himself some money.

Still missing the point. Who cares for fake papers, talking about the real ones.

Angelfl,
In order to get a Visa, application is made to a US consulate. Are you talking about paying off a US official? Good luck.
CG

Curious,

How many times have you helped chicas get US visas? Where they actually got the visa?

I assume Angel is talking about paying Brasilero cops to drum up a good work record, bank accounts, university records, etc.

Hey, how many of you got a strange inbox from everyone's favorite newbie, Roblaw, on how to get girls into the US? His master plan is to fly them to Tijuana and then "drive them across the border on a crowded Sunday". Fuck paperwork, I bet nobody has ever thought of that one or actually tried it

Hilarious. If ignorance is bliss, bliss abounds in CH.

i am interested in knowing how many people here in the past two years have successfully gotten a garota into the us without marrying (or getting engaged to) them or their having good enough creditials to get into the us on their own with a travel visa.

Cat; He is not the first one to think of that or try it.

One of the TV news shows had something about some Russian mafia type that tried that with some girls he was going to pimp out in LA. This was about 4 years ago.

Two weeks ago 4 Iraq's got busted at the airport in Mexicali with fake Dutch passports.

One thing to remember is that if the girl gets caught, all she has to do is finger him for human trafficing/ white slavery. She gets to stay in the US, he gets to stay in the big house.

RG.

Angel: I define fake supporting documents as papers that make a chica look like she owns property, has a steady job, etc. Often those papers are "real" - they are issued by the actual government agency that is responsible for those papers - but the girl never really had that job, etc. Thus the papers are really fake, even if issued by the government.

Explorer - More than 1 but less than 10 successful VISAs so far. Two actual turn downs. Several that never carried it all the way thru the process.

Gr8ter - I don't understand your question? If she can't get a VISA, how is she going to get in? Oh, you mean....

Umm, OK. Again, Mexican not Brazilian. Same answers as above - less than 10.

And yes, I know at least a dozen chicas who have crossed at San Ysidro as mentioned above. You would be surprised how easy it is at 3AM in the morning among a crowd of drunken teenagers to mumble "United States" and get thru the line...

(Note: Numbers edited to be less specific.)


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Curious, Thanks for the clarification. My friend got her whatever good or fake papers this week. Cost 4,000 reals. Now the only problem is she can not travel until summer, when her son is on vaccation. Am not happy about it. But the good thing is traveling requirements are complete. Also no marriage or paperwork from my part.

she is coming to america? she already has a visa?

Angel, if you haven't already found out, getting a fake "past" for a garota just gets her into the game. She still has to go in for the interview and basically prove everything. Remember, when we talk about Brasilians getting turned down for visas regularly, we're not just talking about garotas de programa. The US turns most Brasilians down, even rich white businessmen. Just because some girl paid for a nice cover story does not get her a visa. I would say that if she plays the part perfectly, remembers everything in her paperwork and speaks good English, she still has less than a 50% chance of getting a visa.