So some of you may remember that I wrote in chat about a girl accusing me of breaking into her email, etc. Well one of the guys who was involved in this situation is a member of this board and contacted me regarding my postings about the accusations, etc. Here is the story, and let it please be a warning to other guys out there with a "girlfriend" in Brasil who they are sending money to, or who they think is loyal.

Basically, this is a gdp who has been in Rio about 1.5 years (she is from another part of Brasil). She is 21 years old, really hot, and speaks English very well. She works/worked mainly at Barbarella and Help. Needless to say she attracted a lot of attention there, and I myself spent many many nights with her in Rio last year (at the time I was with her, she told me she had boyfriends in America who were sending her money, but she was not exclusive with them, and this is not usual at all for gdp’s). She also apparently had three or four boyfriends who were taking her on foreign trips (and "helping" her for up to 20,000 reais per week for this travel, plus monthly amounts) sending her money on a monthly basis, etc. This is not unlike many other gdp's in Brasil, especially those working as freelancers at Help and Barbarella (and I would dare to say that most help and Barbarella girls would love to be in this situation given the chance). The difference is the amounts of money that were involved, and the extent to which these men were enamored with her. The one guy who is a member of this board (and I wouldn't be surprised if others were members also) bought a house for her, a USD 4,500 dollar engagement ring, and basically spent over USD 40,000 on her within 6 months. He was close to retirement and he and she were planning to live together in Rio after his retirement. In all, between this guy and the others, she was making a shitload of money, and continued to work at Barbarella and help through it all (as long as the guys were not in town).

The relationships lasted and the money kept rolling in until this other guy started breaking into her email about two weeks ago and emailing all of her gringo boyfriends telling them she was still working at help and Barbarella, and had other "boyfriends" which fucked up her whole world and lead to her accusing many people (including me) of being the one who sent the emails. The guy who evidently did it in the first place was also a guy who was jilted by her in the past. Needless to say she will not have the same cash flow for a while, which is the primary reason she is upset.

The reason I am writing this is primarily for those guys who are in Brasil infrequently and do not realize that if you have a Brasilian "girlfriend" who you help monthly, or buy expensive things for, there is a very good chance she is still on the program in Brasil, and also a good chance that she has others just like you. What this girl has done has caused a lot of pain and lost money for a lot of people and knowing how the gdp's are, the story does not surprise me, what does surprise me is that guys believe these girls are being faithful to them and that they are the only guy with the girl.

Unfortunately this posting most likely will not reach those it is intended for because I doubt most of the guys who are doing this type of thing are members of boards. However, if you or your friends are have girlfriends like this, please do some due diligence before spending your life savings on the girl, and/or getting your heart broken.

I would suggest something simple, such as, have a friend of yours call her and tell her that one of your buddies was with her 6 months or a year ago and recommended her for the night. If she asks who, either give the name of a guy you know she was with, or a generic name, or say he doesn't want you to tell. If she agrees to meet you, then you know she is on the program, if she doesn't agree to meet you it is most likely because she is suspicious or scared in which case you can just say "ok, i understand maybe you don't (remember my friend......know me very well....maybe you are scared) but can I see you at Help or Barbarella tonight, or meet you for dinner, etc., if she responds yes, then you know she is on the program also (or at least interested in sex for money). If this does not work, chance are she is not on the program, but maybe she still has two or three other guys like you sending money and coming down 2 or 3 times a year and doesn't feel like working anymore (but this is rare). Never the less, you can feel somewhat secure if she passes this test. Also, have you ever met her family? This is a huge thing for girls in Brasil to introduce a gringo to their family, especially if their family doesn't know they are gdp’s.

I know most guys on here are smart, but sometimes when you meet women in Brasil you heart leads and your head follows, which in this case and many others has led to severe monetary and emotional problems for guys, and in this case lead to me being accused of something I didn't do and even threatened. Because when these guys get jilted they become very upset and it can lead to severe consequences. None of this would have happened if the guys took some simple steps to make sure the girl was doing what she said she was doing in the first place.

Really, I don't blame the girls for trying to do this, as all they are generally after from us is money in the first place, and almost any help or Barbarella girl would love to be in the situation this girl was in, with 3 or 4 gringos taking her to Aruba and other exotic locations, in addition to all the money she was getting, while still working. However, please try to do some diligence before you commit yourself to a relationship with a Brasilian girl. I know there are some girls who are really in love with gringos, and have great relationships, and are devoted, but this is definitely a rarity. There are a number of reasons for it, but please don't take it for granted that a girl is being faithful and is only with you. Also know this, if a girl loves you, she can live well and have a car, eat well, live in a good apartment, etc. for 2000-3000 reais a month (assuming she has the down payment for the car as I think in most cases you put half down and pay the other half over a period).

As an aside, I have a girl with me tonight who I have a good relationship with and have known for a while. I asked her tonight about a couple things (by the way, most of her friends are gdp’s, she has worked at help, Barbarella and 65). None of these responses surprised me and they shouldn't surprise many of you who have spent significant amounts of time with these girls, but here it is:

me: a friend of mine was helping a gdp with a lot of money and then found out later that she had four other boyfriends who were sending her money on a monthly basis, and she was lying to all of them, plus she was working at help and Barbarella the whole time.

her: what luck she had! how great! (with a huge smile on her face)

me: you really think that is great, but she lied to all those guys.

her: yeah, but she needs money.

me: even if she has to lie and sneak around, the guys really get hurt and my friend was hurt.

her: it is not nice, but she needs the money, what is she going to do.

me: well why wouldn't she just quit working the program and live with one of the men, she was telling all of them she was in love and was engaged to one.

her: because she didn't like them, that is the biggest reason, because if she loved them she probably would have, especially if they have money. however, it is very difficult for us Brasilians to leave Brasil, most of us don't want to, our families and way of life are here, other places are very strange and difficult for us.

me: well what can a guy do to make sure his girl doesn't have other boyfriends, or that she isn't working at help? (and I told her about my suggestion above and asked her if it would work)

her: I don't think your suggestion would work that well, what is best is for them to call her at night and during the day, and if she doesn't pick up every time it means she is still on the program. Because if she is working in a terma she can't pick up, and if she is working at Help or Barbarella and is with a client, then chances are she won't pick up either. Otherwise have a friend check up on her.

me: well why do you think this girl still was working at help although she was getting huge sums of money.

her: because she wants more money and she must not like any of the guys that much, life is difficult here in Brasil for us.

me: but one of the guys bought her a 4500 dollar engagement ring and they were supposed to get married.

her: yeah, she probably thought she could get more money from him after that and before getting out of getting married, did he ever meet her family?

me: no.

her: ok then.

ok, now most of what the girl said is pretty obvious to those of us who know gdp’s, but there it is.

I am surprised a member on this board was the culprit (even more surprised he would throw that kind of coin around). If you want a serious relationship with a program girl I would think the only way it would work would be to live together or at least be 5 minutes away.. Not 7,000 miles away. Program girl or not - all women need attention. If you are not giving it to her someone else will - LB

the guy who did the emailing is a member of this board (although i don't know his name on here), as is at least of of the guys who was a boyfriend of hers. i agree with your comments lucky, but a lot of guys do it.

and here are a couple random pictures with nothing to do with this subject, enjoy. sorry about not including the faces but it is on the request of the girls.

Photo: Mystery Girl A1

Photo: Mystery Girl A2

Photo: Mystery Girl B

I see a cellphone in one of the pics so am I rigth to assume she can be contacted by phone?

There has been so much written on this topic over the years, here and elsewhere, that it seems impossible for guys not to know how this game works.

Some guys, I believe, cannot separate sex (and lust) from love (like most women other than GDPs), and fall in love easily in Rio. They buy the illusion the GDPs are selling, but it's only an illusion. For some guys, it's loneliness that causes them to buy the illusion. For others it's arrogance. And you have to give credit where credit is due: some of these girls can really sell the illusion.

Every guy thinks he's different..."she's fucking them for money but she really has feelings for me." Right. For every successful relationship I've seen between Hombres and GDPs, another 25 have been total disasters, with guys getting their hearts ripped out and their bank accounts cleaned out. It happens in Brasil, it happens in Thailand, it happens wherever there are lonely guys and beautiful girls who need/want money.

I've had many conversations like Gr8ter's with GDPs. Most GDPs are not going to leave Brasil, most do not want a foreign husband with whom they share nothing in common; usually they can barely converse, yet he thinks they are establishing a sound basis for a permanent relationship. But all of them want money, and have no problem deceiving guys in order to do so.

I used to have some sympathy for guys who get ripped off and burned by GDPs. But this issue has been talked about for years, and guys who think they're the exception to the rule are deluded and probably deserve their inevitable fate.

P4P stands for "Play for Pay" (or vice versa). It's "play," not real. It's fun, not serious. It's lust, not love. It's sex, not sensuality. It's illusion, not reality.

As Moondog says, "enjoy the life." Just don't confuse it with real life.

Gr8tr.. Nice shot.. I am a fan of the "unsloppy & well kempt" clam.. From the appearance she would fit nicely upon my face. thanks for the pic - LB

Bwana very well said - Hemp

bwana dik this is a subject that must of us have fallen for the illusion for the need to have that special person in our lives. what you do is buy a little happines for a time,your assesment of this subject is clear and realistic

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(Message edited by gr8ter on July 03, 2005)

another happy wizard student.

Gr8ter,

Yes, the real reason English lessons are so popular in Brasil is so GDPs can write to their American "Maridos" and tell their tales of woe, declare their undying love and eternal faithfulness, and pass along their bank account information.

Great picture!

Why do so many guys refer to these gdp's as girlfriends? Can you remember how you met? She probably won't. On my last trip to Rio, I called up a gdp I met on a previous trip(she gave me a business card). I deliberately stayed in the bathroom and let my friend answer the door. She stood at the door about 2 minutes trying to figure out when and where she had fucked my friend that she had never seen before.

I met my "girlfriend" in a terma. I have no illusions that she is a going to quit any time soon. that is OK with me. I like her, enjoy spending time with her and am sorry to see her go. She just left to go home to get her "uniform" for work. I always insist on paying her for her time.

I also enjoy going to other Termas and having fun with other girls. She does not ask about it, and I do not tell her about it. Sometimes my plans get screwed up by her showing up, but I am OK with that.

If she starts asking me for money, or telling me her mom is sick, I will drop her like a rock.

I had a girl try and pull that on me once, until I pointed out that Brasil has socialized medicine. OOPS!

Have fun, but be careful

Balldo,

I do hope that you're not going to "her" terma and doing programs with other garotas. Talk about 4th of July fireworks, I still remember the Shayla/Samara shitstorm over Aldaron and more than a few others!

I have absolutely no compassion for the GDP involved in Gr8ter's tale. She got caught running her scam. Tough titty.

Catocony,

She has already informed me I am not allowed to play with the other girls in "her" terma.

She also asked me why I did not come and see her as soon as I got into Rio....er... I was with Hemp at 4X4. I told her I was consado from my long trip, (plus the two garotas at 4X4)

i have relationships like balldo's all the time and they work for me. i just get it straight right up front that i am going to be with other girls, but i do generally promise not to go to "her" terma and do girls there, or have other girls in "our" bed. additionally, as you do, if the girl ask me for large sums of money, etc. I drop them immediately, although usually this has not been a problem with girls i have known for a while. they key is to pay attention to your cash outflows and not what she says. it generally works out very well, and is a lot cheaper than having a different girl each night, plus provides someone for company, rides, advice on brasil, etc. and you can still do other girls when you like (go to a couple termas during the day, or take a night off from her). then again, i would only recommend this for guys that spend large amounts of time in brasil, if you are only there for one to three weeks a year, you probably wouldn't want something like this (or at least i wouldn't) because i would be to busy bringing home a different girl each night and doing a couple different ones during the day.

SF Hombre,

I have little compassion for her also.....but i think it is important for guys to have some information before they try to play the relationship game with these girls. I don't think that this girl did anything differently than almost any gdp in brasil would. another point is that the guy who did this to her, telling all the guys...also did additional extremely malicious things to her that I will not mention on here, and those things led me to feel a bit for her, not the fact that the guys found out she was taking them, because they should know in those situations (or better yet, not get involved in them in the first place).


As far as the comment regarding medical excuses, this is definitely one of the most common ones out there and is almost always a lie. And they do have universal health care.

However, and I am hoping someone with more knowledge of the hospital system in rio will help me out here, there are also private hospitals that are much better than the public ones, and they do cost money. For example, there was a girl I know who worked at a terma who got hit by a bus. In the accident, the tips of all of her fingers were cut off from the first joint past the knuckle on down to the end of the finger. She was bleeding profusely and they took her to the hospital (after collecting her fingers off the street). Her friend used his shirt to try to stop the bleeding or whatever and they went to the nearest hospital. At the hospital she waited for 7 hours and no one had attended to her, now this is a girl bleeding profusely and with her fingers cut off. She finally left and went to a private hospital where they were able to reattach all except the pinkie, but she had to pay several thousand reais for the surgery, plus she has to pay for plastic surgery and rehabilitation. Now I know her story about having to pay for this is true, and I have heard others also that I believe, so it seems to me that there is shitty public medical service that costs nothing, or private service that is better that costs money, but hopefully someone who knows more can chime in. Also, can some someone let us know if the public system also pays for medication, or only for other services, because when girls do ask for money it is mostly for medicine. Actually, I have a GDP here now, let me ask her.

Ok, so here is what the gdp said. There are two types of hospitals, particular (private) and publico (public). A lot of people in brasil have medical plans (including this gdp, she has one) but most use public hospitals. She said that the public hospitals are good sometimes, but it is a role of the dice if you go there, because you usually have to wait a lot, a lot of times there aren't doctors there because they don't pay them, and more problems are encountered there. Additionally, she said if you have a note or prescription from a public hospital, you can go to a place called Pharmacia Popular (she said there is one in copa) and get any prescription for 1 real. That being said, she said the private system is better because you get better service, better doctors, etc.

Hopefully someone who knows a little about the system can confirm or deny what she said.

(Message edited by gr8ter on July 04, 2005)

Gr8ter..What she said is true.. Although At the R$1 pharmacy, not all drugs are available or in ready supply.

There was probably a legit need for medicine for someone's mother at some point in time, then it became a good reason to extort money

Gr8ter

Nice photos, and a really good post. As a co-worker told me, his two main requirements for a girl are that she does not speak English, and she has no Visa to the U.S..

That being said, I've helped many a girl from time to time, and do so with the knowledge that I know where the money is going. At the same time, I expect nothing in return, but get it in spades.

As I tell others, send all the cash you want, just do not expect anything in return. You can't buy love, even in Brazil.

Enjoy the life,

Moondog

SF,
Ditto, no sympathy for any of the parties involved, except Gr8ter.

Balido,
Don't assume that the existence of "socialized medicine" means a garota (or her family) has access to decent care. Anybody who has money buys private care because the public system in Brasil sucks. Same with the schools (and almost everything else run by the government) (BTW, don't take this is a right-wing screed against big government; I'm as "leftie" as they come. Brasil is just too fraught with graft and corruption to run a decent system). Many GDPs I know purchase private insurance to avoid dealing with the public system. I have private insurance in Brazil, but with a pretty high co-pay. So it's quite possible that a garota could need money for her (or her mom's) care.

But it's probably bullshit...

I was pleasently suprised a year and a half ago when my favorita emailed me and asked if I could give her some money so she could buy a new(er) car. Honesty goes pretty far with me - although she didn't get her money, I did congratulate her on being honest as to what she wanted.

Moondog, nice photos??? your girls blow mine away and I am lusting over those last two in your sp posting like I haven't for any girls in a while. My goal is to find some girls like the two in your post (or better, but i think that would be almost impossible) and get some photos of them, and I would gladly trade you nights with these girls for a couple with the ones in your photos!!!

Thanks for the compliments though, and your response, this is definitely the truth (as is everything else that has been written by bwana and others as part of this discussion):

"That being said, I've helped many a girl from time to time, and do so with the knowledge that I know where the money is going. At the same time, I expect nothing in return, but get it in spades.

As I tell others, send all the cash you want, just do not expect anything in return. You can't buy love, even in Brazil. "

Hopefully someone will save themself some money or heartache now that this has been discussed again, and as bwana said earlier

"Every guy thinks he's different..."she's fucking them for money but she really has feelings for me." Right. For every successful relationship I've seen between Hombres and GDPs, another 25 have been total disasters, with guys getting their hearts ripped out and their bank accounts cleaned out."

Balldo >>"I had a girl try and pull that on me once, until I pointed out that Brasil has socialized medicine. OOPS! "

Oh really? And the US has socialized medicine, too!?? If you know your way around you can get free treatment, or default on your public hospital bill.

Where did you learn about this Brazilian socialized medicine? Where is the hospital? Why do you think some people here have health insurance? Ever tried to get free medical treatment in Brazil? Most likely you die while in the waiting line. The people who get "socialized free" medical treatment have a job who pays the public health insurance INSS, which is known to be lousy.

BS

The US does not have socialized medicine, but does have indigent care. Although if you are willing to lie, cheat and run out on your bill, anything can be free.

Do you have some experience in this regard?

I recently returned from Rio and somehow I ended up with a girlfriend while I was there. I am waiting for the "I need money" email or phone call and then of coarse it would be over. IMHO you need to realize that if you are not living there and can't keep an eye on her all the time she is going to work. Accept the fact that it is her job and DON't send money. Sending money to keep her from working will do nothing. One of the girls I was with was getting married to an American and she was still working. He is sending her money every 2 weeks thinking she isn't working. I feel for the guy. If it is meant to be it will. I am 25 and although young, I have no misconceptions about what my "girlfriend" is doing. On the other hand I do have feelings for her that rise above normal lust. I guess now the wait game will be played and if no monetary requests are made I will consider going to the next level. I will keep you posted on if this is true happiness or just another withdrawal slip request.

I would like to thank all of you for all the helpful info posted here. Unfortunately there are members of this site who grant the girls access and they see their pics. This is why I have chosen not to post any pics of the other girls I was with.

Just to keep things interesting, I want to add that this happens to brazilian guys also (a ton of these girls have boyfriends and although a lot of them know they are on the program, some don't).

I have seen it often but I was reminded to write this tonight as I was out with a gdp and her friend at dinner. Her friend works at a terma and was with her "client" a brazilian guy who was about 80 years old and could barely walk. Meanwhile she is 20 and a knockout.

The guy is the brother of someone very famous in brasil and for this reason the girl thinks he has money and will leave it to her in his will or something (why she thinks this guy has money just cause his brother does I haven't figured out yet, i mean, just cause Tom Cruise has money doesn't mean that Mark Cruise does, but this is the gdp thought process at its finest. as a matter of fact, he lives in a shitty house, gives her very little money, has no car, and looks very poor, but she thinks he is just hiding it). She even went to a fortune teller the other day (I forget the word, it is not a fortune teller exactly, but something like that) to find out when he was going to bite the dust and if he was going to leave her anything. Also, every time she is in his apartment, she sneaks around to find bank statements after he passes out for his afternoon nap or whatever to find out how much money he has. I haven't asked my gdp if she is going to try to fuck him to death but I wouldn't be surprised. Basically this girl in consumed with her quest for this guys money.

Anyway, after dinner tonight, she got a call and was calling the guy sweetheart, etc. so I asked my gdp who it was on the phone. My gdp responded "her boyfriend", to which I responded "who, the guy we were just with", to which she responded no, her real boyfriend, he is 23 years old, has no money, and has no idea that she works the program and has this (and other) guys on the side. In fact, she worked in europe for months and told her boyfriend she was "vacationing" and didn't have enough money for both of them to go.

Both the girls used to work at Miami Sex Shop (which I am sure we all have seen in copa). I have never been in there, but evidently there are peep show booths where you pay 1 real a minute and the girl dances for you, but there is no sex and you jerk off in your booth or whatever. Anyway, she tells her boyfriend she still works there.

The funniest part of the story is that the girl is so fucking jealous of her real boyfriend that last saturday night they were all out and he glanced at one girl and she got so pissed off she barged out of the place in the middle of the show and went home (and didn't talk to him for 2 days afterwards). Also, they have been together 4 years. I mean, guys on here get hurt and lose money, but can you imagine if you are a brazilian guy with a girl for 4 years and find out that she has been doing 4 guys a day for most of that time and has other clients on the side?

you know gr8ter...nothing surprises me. these girls are gems.

brasilians believe in astrology, fortune tellers and my wife will even read cards for me....i always ask her is she sees dead people...but this is their culture.

while my wife was in brasil for several months; we semi got to know our beach slave (you know the guy who brings your drinks and food to the beach). anyway, he lived in the favela and claimed he was probably the only honest kid there. as he put it, even the poor girls will not look at you if you don't have money. so these kids steal. working the beach, he earned 20r a day and tips.

you are right, it is their culture. before meeting these girls i thought the whole country was catholic, but almost every girl i meet is not a practicing catholic (which I guess should not surprise me much) and a lot practice espiritualism or macumba (both of which I probably spelled wrong). My ex-gdp "girlfriend" would always try to read tarot cards for me and was always reading books on witchcraft, etc. saying it tied into her espiritualism religion somehow. I went to a couple of the espiritualism rituals and they were interesting to say the least.

so does anyone know what a bruxo is? that is the type of person who tells fortunes that my gdp and her friend go to (also related to a vidente i think), evidently it is unlike macumba or espiritualism.

(Message edited by gr8ter on July 12, 2005)

Bruxa = witch.

I had the privelage of meeting a friend of my girl who has a Pombegeria visit her every now and then. The Pombergeria is a spirit that comes and takes over the body. Really spooked me out the first time we met and she got possesed. Most of the girls there believe in it and got upset and scared when I made a joke about it. I promptly apologized and said my own little prayer not to piss off the Pombergeria. There are even songs about this on the radio. They are still catholic but believe in a lot of other things.

bruxo=warlock (Harry Potter)

cooliebo, I saw the same type of stuff. I went to a couple of spiritualism ceremonies and there was a temple place (really a small building in the backyard of a house that was around 15x15) where everyone was dancing in a circle for hours to drum beating and shouting while wearing white long dresses (somewhat similar to the typical bahia dresses). It must have been over 120 degrees in the room and there was a witch or whatever leading the whole thing. BTW, the witch looked almost exactly like the little old lady in the Poltergeist movie but fatter and uglier and sweating profusely. She was drinking cheap wine the entire time and would take each of the girls one by one (there were about 30 people there, 90% women, I knew 5 of the girls from Centaurus and would guess that at least 50% of them were gdp's) and give them advice, talk to them, etc. She also would hackle and yell every five minutes or so and seemed like she was in a trance the whole time.

The fucked up part was that twice during the dancing, girls ran out of the room or were carried out convulsing and screaming. They were taken to a different section of the place to relax in a chair, one of the girls was throwing up and convulsing, and all of them were yelling weird shit. I asked the guy who was waiting with me what happened and he said they were possessed, etc. and they needed to wait for the demon to leave the body or something.

I really don't believe in any of it (and have read several good books on the subject) but the gdp's do and they take these things very seriously. Tomorrow another gdp I have been spending some time with is going to the bruxo to ask questions about me. Wish I could be a fly on the wall in that room, now that would be some entertaining stuff. I just can't believe these girls think these guys can tell the future but they are welcome to believe what they want.

gr8ter...you missed the best one yet....where they go to someone who can look into thier eyes and see the future.....i cannot decide what i pay more for.....hstern, victor hugo, louis vuitton, this new ugly shit purse at $1500 (u.s)

http://www.balenciaga.com/preco_aw2005/bags.html

wait....my wife told me there are only 6 of these ugly bags to be delivered to the u.s. and she is on the list...god help me....or her psycic shit....she even bought a book called: How psychic are you?

i remember, when she was pregnant with one of my boys, she would have me hide a spoon and a fork under two different cushions on the couch......depending on where she sat would determine the sex of the fetus....

then she had a needle on a string, which i would have to hold over her stomach, if it went in cirles (i think it was a boy) and if it went back and forth (i think it meant a girl) i don't know or care, i could have it bass ackwards.

praise the lord...i am glad you are there to save these poor souls and see them through this ordeal....

that purse is so fucking ugly man, i really feel for you.

then again, my gdp now wants me to carry a life sized barbie doll from america for her so she can sleep with it at night. Can you imagine me getting on the fucking plane with a life sized barbie? not in this life, i think it might be worth her paying the extra 200r and getting the thing in brasil.

but other than that the gdp i spend most night with now is very cheap, almost never wants money and wants to eat at parme every day which is fine by me. a lot different than most of the high end girls.

(Message edited by gr8ter on July 13, 2005)

Love the banter. Reminds me of my first trip to Brazil about 7 years ago. Yep. Fell in love, well, for 1 week anyway. Never fell for giving her money and she did not ask. Those were the good old days.

Last trip, this past June, ran across a few who asked. The difference was, in 7 years I have "hobbied" extensively in the US and world, and know the game. Yea. The line of her sister was in a wreck and needed 4,000 Reais. Her mom was calling her (I think husband). She kept the conversations short. And when she gave me the doctor story, I mentioned the social system as well.

So what did I do? Well, heck. I had spent 3 nights with her. So I bought her a ticket home, one way, to Salvador Bahia (pretty cheap actually, less than a Terma visit). And helped her pack. Bought some gifts for her two kids. And dropped her off at the airport after checking her bags in. Then, with my broken heart, I headed for L'Uomo. Never heard from her again. She asked that I not do any of her friends. And I did not. Heck, why when there was so many others to choose from.

Brazilian women are the best at the fantasy from all my travels. Except the High Dollar Hotties in the US, who can rock your world. The passion and affection a Brazilian women compares to none other. But on my last trip there, I noticed two things they had not mastered that HDH's know well.....

I can't wait to get back. "Game on!" - Wayne's World. I always ask myself the same questions when a girl so beautiful falls in love with me (for the moment).

1. What does she want to do with a guy 20 years her senior who does not have the body of one of the guys at the beach playing football.
2. How can anyone fall in love when they honestly don't know the person (yea, chemistry is strong, but that is lust not love).
3. Is this someone I would have as a best friend? I don't pay friends for sex at all. And a best friend would do so much more for me than any of these girls would even consider.
4. You can be the nicest, sweetest guy in the world. Charming. Attractive. Wealthy. Speak the language. And be an incredible lover. Just remember how you met her. The percentages of hooking up with any girl in the biz, in a healthy, honest relationship, is not on your side.

And all together now... "If it flies, floats or f#&@!, rent it." Never buy it. And always remember, it is what it is.

HEMP- I rejoined the site. This is the Tall guy from Arizona with the beard. We had a nice chat about the girls in the taxi drive to 4x4 on my last day there. And the girl you brought to Alcazar, well I hope she is in play still, and if not, keep her number for me will ya!

I will be back. In October for sure. Last two weeks. Hope to see you there. Your girl I did in 4x4 was a star!


Signed.... As my US based Brazilian girl friend (note the seperation of the word - and yea, she is on the program here - married a guy and 4 years, 6 months later left him, - long enough for her papers to solidify), who wants me to marry her and move back to Brazil with her (is that twisted or what) calls me...

Safadinho,

Peace,


(Message edited by Safadinho on July 13, 2005)

Diversity I feel for you and the bag man. My sister and my mom have tons of those ugly things and my ex had a closet full of them but it does make their day. I guess you could equate the bags to a clod beer after a long day. Only New Castle is a lot cheaper!

Safadinho so far the in lust thing is not soo bad. No money requests yet, so that is comforting to me. I fell in lust before when I first started out in Asia and learned my lessons. I was 18 and went along for the ride, devastating my poor bank account. Determined to never let it happen again. This is a working girl and I might see her pic on here one day but the ride right now is free and I'll get off at the toll booth.

As far as the barbie doll Gr8ter. You should go for it man but dress the doll up all sluty and take her on the plane with you. The Pombergia I met was a young and beautiful girl and she said good things about me. I don't buy into it but at least I am not going to die soon... according to her anyway.

better a barbie doll than a blow up doll...always look on the bright side...yeah buy it in brasil and pay the extra $80.

do you want to buy a purse???

my wife and i are in a race, she wants to see if she can spend more than i can make....i think i am losing.....

i just want to know where the suitcases are filled with money she brought with her to this country.....her family should be kissing my ass....

Diversity:

Man! That is some ugly purse. Can you pay her NOT to buy it?

Cooleibo:

As for Pomba-Gira (that's how you spell her name), if you can fuck her while under trance, do it! Pomba-Gira, in Candomble/Macumba, is the she-devil slut whore goddess, if you have the good luck to get your hands on good looking medium while she is "under", don't hesitate Of course, she may suck your soul out afterwards, but most women do that anyways...

Also, Candomble, Macumba, etc (Brazilian "Vodoo" or Santeria) have nothing at all to do with Espiritismo - except for the mediums and trances, that is. Dn't get them confused, unless you want to really piss off the "true-believers". In general, at least in my experience, Espiritistas are a pain in the ass and should be avoided almost as much as Evangelicos (OK, OK, I'm still bitter about a Espirtista medium gf from 15 years ago). Candomble, etc is fine, nearly everyone in Brasil follows it to some extent. How to tell them apart? Ask them what they think of Alan Kardec, Espiritistas will start to glow rapturously (he's their founding father.. a Frenchie, of course), and Candomble people will just laugh. Rio is full of Candomble signs - impromptu shrines (ofrendas) on the beach, at streetcorners... don't fool with either.. especially the ones on corners, strategically placed mirrors, glasses of water or cachaca, feathers, corn, etc. Usually the mediums don't call themselves bruxas/bruxos but either Pai or Mae de Santo (Father/Mother of Saints). If you become friends with someone who follows Candomble, go to a terreiro (the "church"), it can be fun. Gr8ter was at a Candomble terreiro - the Bahian dresses and the mae de santo being high as a kite - not a "Templo Alan Kardec". Those are rather dry affairs, lots of reading from a "spriti-medium writings", some chanting, and then "spiritual passes" - basically the mediums waving their hands over your head and body... "passing energy" and that kind of BS. As I wrote, Candomble is a lot more fun, plus you can smoke cigars to your hearts content, the mediums usually do too. In fact cheap cigars are a great gift for the "saints" and will get you in very good graces with whatever girl is taking you to terreiro.....

BS



(Message edited by badseed on July 15, 2005)

hey bs....copy the link and show the purse to your wife.....i will bet she wants one....it is fashion....we must be thinking with the wrong head..... and we don't know shit about fashion.

My new goal for my next trip to Rio is to stick one of these priestess garotas up the ass. Thanks for the info Badseed! I havent' tried anything new in Rio the last couple of trips, now I have something different to anticipate!

Diversity: Nah, I don't think so. Her fixation with overpriced British cars is bad enough. When are you getting to LBI? I'll drop off a purse for you :P

Cato: Always happy to help you "explore new ground", buddy, just stay away from the "girls" in Lapa. Here's an English-language link I found about PombaGira thats pretty much on the mark:

http://www.geocities.com/beargomke/Pomba.html?200515

Enjoy!

BS

BS,

Thanks for all the information. I was spending a lot of time with a girl who was into espiritualism and at that time I wanted to learn more about it. She went to the temple or whatever often for the ceremonies, read books on wicca, witchcraft, egypt, and tarot all the time, and spoke to the mae of the temple more than her own mother (and definitely took advice from her on everything). She said she never gave them that much money but who knows. I might have some pictures somewhere of the temple and the artwork there is pretty interesting, if I run across it i may post it but i don't even know if I still have it. Anyway, for future reference, do you have any other information sources that are good for more informaiton on espiritualism or macumba similar to the one you posted above? Thanks..

Oh, and btw guys, the girl went to the fortune teller and came back and said he was macumba and all the stuff he said was bullshit. This girls is not into any of these things which is a plus in my book but who knows. Also, it seems that a lot of brasilians I talk to think that espiritulasim is an ok religion but that macumba is bad, i would like to find out some more stuff about it as it is a central part of the lives of a lot of gdps.

BS
Fucking a Pomba-Gria sounds exciting but this chick had scars on her arms and my girl told me they were self-inflicted. My luck, durning the heat of the moment the deamon might decide to keep a souvier that I may find essiential. She is really hot though and only 22. Liquid encouragement may be employed on my next upcoming trip to do the deed. As for a fee the Pomba-Gira only needs drinks and smokes and then the trance begins. I'm telling you I was a little freaked out.

If any of youget to nail one before I return you have to let me know how it was.

LOL gdp's aren't enough we have to mess with the occult.

To paraphrase a recent book
There are many roads to a womans heart. There is the high road. The low road. And the middle road. One thing for certain is that somewhere on that road you are going to run into the flashing red lights of the tollbooth.

Cooliebro - liked your line

BS, LBI-1st week of august.

the reason your wife likes the brits is simple.....they have bigger stick shifts.....

brasilians always want what is new...does not matter if it is better, but if it is new, then it must be......

the new saab 9-7 comes down the same line as the trailblazer and envoy.....but is price tagged much higher.....guess what my wife wants next???

she already has the envoy xlt loaded, so try again.

at least i can keep her in the gm family.

My contribution for the day: This is a letter I received from a girl today who is engaged to a man in europe and living with him. It kinda just reiterates what was discussed above about the difficulties some of these girls have adjusting to other countries and cultures and how they don't like to live outside of brasil a lot of the time. Can you guys tell how much I miss brasil yet? I am actually responding when these girls write me so I can practice portuguese!

Eu estou confusa por nao saber se eu quero casar ou
nao, eu gosto muito dele, mas eu acho que nao
conseguiria ficar muito tempo com uma pessoa como ele!
Eu preciso muito de carinho, de conversa, de seguranca
e confianca! Para mim ja e muito dificil estar num
pais que nao e o meu, onde as pessoas sao muito frias,
a lingua e feia....


(Message edited by gr8ter on August 31, 2005)

oh yeah, and let me help you guys out with the translation:

basically it says:

i am confused because i don't know if i want to get married or not (my note: to the guy she is engaged to and has been living with in europe, and met at help), i like him a lot, but i think i will not be able to stay long with a person like him! I need someone carinho (sweet, caressing, soft, that quality is how i translate it), conversation, trust and security. For me it is very difficult now in a country that is not mine, where the people are all very cold, and the language is very ugly.

Your translation is good but not perfect, and I hear this with the girls that work and live in Rio. It's been part of my rapid education. After "I need," it reads more like someone who cares for me, someone I can talk to, someone I have security with (but this is more a money thing because if they fight with a man paying the bills in another country and he asks her to go home she goes back to Rio with nothing and and starts over --- these girls are not stupid!) and confianca means I have confidence with, which typically has more to do with having sex with other girls and/or telling the truth. The rest reads more like "it is very difficult for me to stay (estar) in a country that is mine" and you have the last part right except this has more to do with missing home, feeling isolated and thinking Portuguese is a better language than Italian, which again I hear all the time if you understand Portuguse.

that is NOT mine