Anyone have any recent Juarez info?

What do y'all think of Ano Nuevo?

Well, it's official, 'ol Diego will be spending a good part of June down in 'ol El Paso - but this time I won't be hanging out at The Naked Harem...

http://www.borderlandnews.com/stories/borderland/20010307-90870.shtml


I wonder if they've got any burlesque joints in Juarez?

What exactly do you mean as burlesque joints, topless bars?

Dreamineagle;

This is a good question. It is important enough that I'm going to open a new category on "Burlesque" in the Tijuana thread. Check it out, as I promise that I will be mentioning Ciudad Juarez too.

Porker, great to hear from you and thanks for the report. Actually from your description, sounds like Juarez's hooker bars leave a lot to be desired when compared to being inside the gates of hell...at least for those of us who can't shake a seriously ugly vibe merely by cuddling up with a mammoth pair of knockers!

Porker,

You make a wrong turn at I-8 or something ? Good to see your posts. If I had known that you were in Texas, I would have dragged you out to NL with Redongdo. Don't care much for the Juraez Zona Roja myself. NL is a lot better IMNSHO.

G, no 'wrong' turn, just a change in latitude for awhile. Should be in Laredo area in 2 weeks, first weekend in November. Looking forward to seeing it for the first time. Juarez bars do leave much to be desired.

OG, the Panama chicks perked up a little that afternoon when some tourguide/pimp came in with a couple of truckers. These guys looked EXACTLY like the hick driver in Thelma and Louise that kept flicking his tongue at the girls. Some got up and started half-ass dancing on the little stage, but of course they had no energy. Kinda too bad, as they weren't too half-bad looking.

Any news on the Naked Harem in El Paso??
I heard a rumor it was shut down or something.

Earlier this year I found 2 real hot girls , I mean real hot, to meet me outside the club.

You might get some pussy out of these stip clubs in El Paso now and then, but I don't think it's going to beat peeling off $35 for an hour with a girl in the MPs in Juarez. Convince me I'm wrong, and I'll join you. I must admit, this is an interesting thread. I've been to that place on Montanna and often wondered whatis possible.

IronMike& DreamingEagle

Its true that while you might get cheaper chicas in Juarez, I like the fact that in El Paso, you can take them back to your hotel room/house/apt/hovel.

I get some action from the SC, every time I'm in town.(about 6-8 times a year)

I'd stay away from the Naked Harem. Tourist trap.

Foxy's: I once got a bbbj for $60 from Jessica Drake the porn star who was a house dancer there for a while. She said her ex worked there as the manager. I succeded to get her liquored up on a slow Thursday morning and away we went.

The Cabaret on Montana is probably 80% latina on any given day. The palce is DARK, I mean real dark. In the darkest corner, on several occasions, I have gotten FS for "the $40 special dance". BBBJ are common for about $20-25.

The Red Parrot is a lot more pricyier BBBJ for $60 and FS is 100+ in the VIP area. I've only done this during the day . Montana Hideaway used to be good in the old VIP room, but here if you can wait it out, most of the girls will go back to your room after the bar closes or if slow, earlier. Same with the Lamplighter and The Prince

I don't know what it is about El Paso but play4pay is rampant in all the strip clubs. I hope LE doesn't read this board..LOL. It is truly the WILD WEST.

(I get horny now listening to Marty Robbins sing El Paso)

OG

OG,

(1) Who's the one that brings up the question for FS?

(2) Are all these places "Bring Your Own Beer?"

(3) How late are they open til?

The Naked Harem used to be great in the early 90's. BYOB, $5 naked laps, $2 clothed laps, lots of extra contact.

What are naked laps up to these days at the Harem? $20?!! What a joke.

If you ask for a private dance at your hotel room just about any girl except the most naive will know it means full service. Just to be on the safe side, I always confirm this before I hand over any money. I have never been scammed but I've heard that some have.

All the nude places in El Paso; Pure Platinum,Nero's, Foxy's, Naked Harem and the Montana Club are all BYOB!. Most clubs charge a "setup fee" to bring in your bottle. This may or may not be included with admission. Laps (full nude) are $20 at Foxys,Platinum and naked Harem, $10 at Neros and Montana Club. Laps are less at these clubs if their only topless.(why go to a nude club to get a topless dance???)

Most clubs close at around 2-4am. The ones outside the City of El Paso city limits are more lax as a rule. I remember coming out of the Montana Club not too long ago at around 5:00am.

Yeah, the Naked Harem was the place to go in the early 90's. Lots of great chics, specials, Full service in the VIP rooms for a flat fee!! It then got a lot of attention when it was frequented by a couple of big time drug lords. This was in about 1997. It went steadily downhill since then. It still does a lot of tourist advertising though.

I usually skip it when I'm in town. I haven't been there in around 3 years. My favorite nude club is Montana Hideaway for the cheap nastiness there. My Favorite topless club is the Lamplighter as I've got lucky with some real beautiful babes. My favorite "sure thing" is the Cabaret, lots of chicas and *very* nasty. I also like JB's lounge, topless but $5 laps that have IMHO pretty good mileage.

Of course, in a lot of these clubs you'll have to put up with some butt-ugly women to find a few gems, but it is worth it!!.

OG

In the Great State of Texas nudity and serving alcohol don't mix. That is why all of nude places are BYOB. Some let you bring in anything, some charge for setups, and some used to (and maybe some still do) charge a cooler fee when you bring your own beer. Watta place!!! Topless places are allowed to have full bar, but topless just doesn't do it for me. Wish BT and Nuevo Laredo were a little closer to the Houston area.

Man, I'm sorry. But all this $20 for this and $20 for that adds up fast, and what have you got but some muchacha giving you a blow job or even some pussy in a some crowded place there you can never relax and really get to know her? If she comes to the room after the monetary overtures in the bar you are paying a fortune.

That business about not being able to get the chicas in Juarez to meet you at your hotel or apartment is nonsense. All you have to do is know enough Spanish to ask, and she will cut the bar out of the picture and disappear 15 minutes later to take a taxi to your place.

You can put me in the coldest whore bar in Juarez, and I will wind up with beautiful girl all night long for half the kind of money you guys are talking about paying in the clip joints in El Paso.

And, please, before you get your hackles up, realize that I *hate* those people who post like know-it-alls and try to make other people feel like they are paying too much for too little. I feel like what's important is that---no matter what you paid, did you geel good and like doing it? If so, then it was worth it.

Money is not that important. If we did not have some money to burn, we would not even be doing this, so who paid $30 or $50 for the same girl seems like a stupid thing to worry about to me.

But, in this case, I'm not convinced that either the dollar value or the satisfaction quotient is the same. I haven't heard one word about making love to a girl all night and then having a nice breakfast together...just hurry, hurry, bang-bang stuff for as much or more than it costs for the whole package in Mexico.

The strip bar scene in El Paso sounds like a discount compared to places like Dallas, but Juárez is a still discount compared to El Paso. You just have to know how to work the place, and, I admit, that takes time.

Don't ever sell Juárez short in any department, because whatever you want you can find here.

You guys keep talking, and I might check out the stip bars in El Paso again. But right now I just think you need to delve deeper into Juárez....

I have had great times in Juarez and El Paso. The $40 special dances at the Cabret Club are great. Montana Hideaway is also a favorite of mine. I moved to the LA area not to long ago and let me tell you that El Paso strip clubs kick ass over LA strip clubs. TJ is too fa for me to drive to on a regular basis. The MP's in the Valley are good but way overpriced for a guy who enjoyed way to many $40 specials. I still visit El Pasp at least three to four times per year since I have family in the area. Every visit I do Juarez and El Paso!

Was in Juarez on a Saturday night a couple weeks ago, and had another enjoyable session at Serena's -- but they close pretty early, and I kinda wanted another go-round, so took a cab back to the bridge (no, NOT to a club; anyway, they let you out a block or so from the bridge, so then you just walk on).

Don't remember the name of the place, but it's across from hotel Diamante, I think -- only a couple blocks south of the border, bearing left at the "Y" just southwest of the bridge. Anyway, four or five girls hanging out on the street, hustling guys as they walked by (one, however, was kinda hanging back and her features really attracted me, tho others would probably not get excited). Walking south, I just avoided the place, kinda hoping to scope things out a bit more.

Going on south, I got hit on by one of the hustlers (I lived in the U.S. 'til I got busted, now I make my living steering guys to the young girls -- get you a good deal ...). Finally, gave him a quarter (he was not pleased) and told him pretty directly to get lost.

Saw a couple senoritas that were dressed so outrageously they had to be street girls (or TVs), but they didn't do anything for me. And really wasn't sure just which places to go into -- some seem to be teeny-bopper dance joints, others strip joints, and probably others are pretty much brothels; will have to read the other posts more carefully before going back.

Anyway, finally decided to call it quits with the Serena's session being a good enough memory -- but did want another look at the one senorita. Passed what I thought was the place, and she was gone -- oh well. Then another couple blocks closer to the border, and there was the place -- and she was still outside.

Crossed the street and approached, and another of the girls, of course, grabbed my arm in a grip of steel. $30 for a half hour. Not bad at all, and while the girls weren't 9s or 10s, they looked like they could get the job done. I asserted myself, and - girl #1 still attached - approached the one who had attracted my attention. Como te llamas, etc. and yes, she was available for the same $30. We go inside, and she says yes, the $30 is for sucky-fucky; sounds pretty cheap, but the risk is pretty low (I'm not carrying a great deal of cash by then, anyway).

She shows me to a room and leaves. Senora no. 1 comes in with some TP and a condom, whacks at the bed and wants $6. Hmmm... OK, so it's $36. Then the "mamasan" comes in and wants 2 more. I leave the room and find my senorita; she smiles and assures me this is the last of the parade; well, still under $40 and my senorita's friendly manner has reassured me.

And we actually get the fan in the room to work (the summer's brutal heat is over, but there are no windows and it's close in there). And gentlemen, I need to tell you there followed a most enjoyable half hour. Yes, she was professional, and the oral was con condone, but her attitude was great (and, knowing a - very - little about these fabulous creatures, I could tell it was not completely feigned), and the features (i.e., her facial character) that had attracted me earlier really grew on me -- a great turn on.

I got a cell phone number, but I don't hold out a lot of hope of seeing her again; unfortunately, I don't get into that neck of the woods anywhere near often enough. But I must say, the thought of a toda la noche with that woman in a pleasant hotel setting has been playing hell with my concentration on real-world affairs.

Anyway, bottom line is: the place looked like a real hole in the wall (and was) with nothing but a bunch of hustlers, but turned out to be concealing a little gem. Goes to show, it can pay to keep looking under the toadstools.

I am sure there are a lot of gems under the toadstools, but please bear in mind that you are in perhaps the most dangerous part of Juárez, where, as you probably know, drug addiction is rampant. It's not the Mexicans themselves who are dangerous. I live in Juárez and feel safer in other parts of town than I ever did living in Dallas, Texas. And even that area you are talking about by the bridge is probably fine 99 out of 100 times, but drug addicts are drug addicts. I won't be yanking my pants down in some little room where there might be eyes behind the mirrors.

Very interesting post, however. I see those street girls all the time and have wondered about the pricing and arrangements, etc. It might be fun to rent one of those cheap little rooms on Avenida Juárez some Saturday night (you can get one for $10-15) and drag 'em up there one by one for $30.

You can also get good $30 pussy at Masaje Corpus on Jose Borunda one block from Felina's Masaje at Borunda and Peru. Felina's used to have some dolls, but it's $45, and the quality has been really poor lately. Corpus was charging $35 for quite a while and may go back up, but it's been $30 the past three weeks. Don't know why.

Also, it was sure nice to find a post in this room again...

It's been dead quite a while.

Dreamingeagle, I guess I was aware of the possibility of druggies in that area, but am not quite sure what the dangers are you are referring to, and hope you elaborate. I had relatively little cash that evening, and so wasn't too concerned about theft (I did leave with everything I didn't voluntarily spend); there were too many girls around for me to worry much about outright violence (I think. Didn't happen, anyway); don't quite know what you mean about eyes behind mirrors. There was no evidence at all that my senorita was on anything (including booze, and didn't even smell of tobacco), or - on somewhat more casual observation - that any of the other girls there were, either.

Frankly, there was enough traffic (girls, and a guy or two) to lead me to believe this was a relatively established place of business, and not a folding tent op I would have associated with a drug-related situation.

Incidentally, the senorita did quote a toda la noche price - $200; I had asked out of curiosity, however, and did not bargain (also not clear whether other "bar fine" types of charges would be requested). I suspect the general rule of countering at 50% would have led to a satisfactory result ($200 too high, $125-150 maybe).

Uncletio, if you were at the door-front behind the Coyote resturant - then that area isn't too dangerous. There's lots of cops (which isn't always a good thing) and taxi drivers. I went with a gal from that place about a year ago and had a so - so session. Another place to consider for street girls is across the street from where Queens is. Girls work out front - don't seem to be into the heavy hustle. I think the most dangerous place that I have been is down near the gymnasium at night (about 6 blocks south). That place is loaded with druggies and TVs. By the way, rumor has it that Queens will reopen the 1st week of December - I've heard this before, but Maricruz from Montana club says the one year suspension will be up then. Lets hope its true.
DreamingEagle - I went to Felinas on Saturday, and yes it was $45 but the lineup was very impressive. I went with Tamara & she was wonderful!

Tamara does good work, no question, Fallen, but I have some information about her you need to have. Could you email me at elk_dreamer@hotmail.com when you get a chance? I will write you back when I return on Sunday night. And *do not* see her again until you hear from me. This girl used to be my favorita---for months, man---and I would never, ever say anything to harm her. But I have heard she has SIDA and have personally observed her losing a lot of weight and looking more and more gaunt (albeit, as you say, still very beautiful). And she is a real sweet spirit, also. I hate to even post this but feel I must.

I will check out the new line-up at Felina's this weekend, however. I gave up on the place a couple of months ago because it was always Paula, Tamara, that big girl, Marlene, and two or three gorditas sitting around. Also, it was unconfortable selecting another girl over T. right in front her face without being able to explain why. We'll see if there is any more treasures like T. in the new line-up.

If you have not checked out Corpus. It's only a few steps away. If you are standing in front of Felina's facing the street, turn right, walk one block, and look for a little business in a tiny strip of storefronts on the corner of the next street on the same side of the street.

The thing about Corpus is that you cannot always find a girl you want. But there are two, Claudia and Perla, who are not beauties by any stretch of the imagination but more than passable. They are both friendly and come easily, which is a trait I like in a girl. Claudia is a screamer. Perla is a whimperer, both good fucks. And it's only $30-35, depending on how business has been lately, I guess.

Regarding the streetwalkers: UncleTio and Fallen, I guess I need to reevaluate this possibility. I admit have never heard of anyone actually being hurt in el centro (just getting bit by the police), and everything I said just comes from the creepy feeling I get walking around down there at night. For one thing, it's the only place in Juárez I have been where people agressively come up and walk beside you trying to hustle something, and, for another, I got bit by the cops one night down there myself a year ago. The idea of winding up with a TV is also unpleasant. But you guys have obviously got more experience with that part of J. than I do, so I'll keep it in mind in the future.

Sheesh, here I am sitting here at the computer the day before Thanksgiving writing *about* all the fine pussy in J. when I could be there *getting* some.

You guys have a great holiday, and I'll post upon my return on Sunday.

Re: Tamara

Follow is the email I sent to Fallen after looking into this matter further.

Thanks for writing, Fallen. It really upset me to have to make that post based on what was essentually a rumor, and I thought about it for almost an hour before I actually posted it. I mean, she is a sweet kid. I think the world of Tamara. For several months until I got to know the place, I just went to see to her, and she never failed to give a warm feeling---as a human being, I mean.

But I just felt that AIDS being such a serious matter that it was better to warn based on rumor than take the chance it was true and to be saying things about my friend in front of God and everyone on the Internet of all places.

So I arrived this weekend determined to get to the bottom of this little mystery. First I questioned my source, a girl who works in another masaje who used to work there. I think she heard some kind of rumor and then passed it along to me to prevent me from going back to Felina's. When I asked her why she believed Tamara had SIDA all she could say was "flaca, mas y mas flaca." (Skinny). Then she made a motion of someone using a needle. Excuse me, but did you see in any needle marks on the girl's body?

That one lie was enough to convince me all the rest was a lie. I was so convinced that this is just a rumor that I went and had a session with Tamara myself. I was tempted to ask her directly, but that seemed like a pretty deep pit to fall into with her given my limited Spanish, and, more importantly, nothing about the girl's appearance gave the impression of anything but perfect health. All my instincts said this was all nonsense designed to keep me going to the other girl instead of Tamara, but, as I say, I felt I had to report it.

I also talked to a cab driver friend in el centro tonight before heading into that long line on the bridge. He has been taking all of his cutomers to Felina's for ages. He seemed shocked at the very thought and just shook his head. He told me he knew the people who own the place personally and that there is no way they would allow a girl who was addicted on drugs to work there. "I do not believe it. She does not look sick to me," he said.

So apologize again, and I suppose I would have to do the same thing again with the information I had at the time. But I'm glad I was able to shed more light on the matter. Who knows what's true, but I sure would not have gone back if I thought she had SIDA after more investigation.

And I think I'll post this email to you verbatim on the forum (minus your real first name, of course) so anyone else who might be affected can make up their own minds.

-D.E.

Rumors and lies abound in the world of chicas. I still appreciate the warning, given the potential risk. Although I was covered for the whole session it does make one pause. I did spend a few restless minutes reflecting on possible cuts and abrasions I may have had (none, but the mind does work overtime in such circumstances).
I also appreciate you following up the rumor and putting it to rest for Tamara's sake. Tamara is a very sweet girl with a great personality. Far superior to some of the wood-women providers we all encounter from time to time.

Recently 77police officiers were fired in Juarez
after testing positive for drugs, and there
are 250 officiers yet tobe tested. The Juarez
police force numbers some 1500 people for a
city of 2 million. The police captains had
disappeared and the State and Federal police
felt that it was corruption and drug related so
the State of Chihuahua appointed a new cheif
of police-who instituted the drug tests. If they
gave the police lie detector tests for accepting
bribes then probably most of the police force
would have tobe replaced. Hopefully now the
red light district will be safer for single
males walking around because the druggie police
were probably the most corrupt. Also a continuing mystery in Juarez is the murder of over 200 women
that has gone unsolved. An Egyptian chemist was
arrested and the murders continued and then a
gang of bus drivers who would know and spot
desirable women would drive up beside them in
a van open the door and throw the women inside.
Not all the gang has been arrested yet and a
couple of weeks ago a murdered women was dumped
into the middle of a traffic intersection! Of
course all these women getting killed makes it
harder to get a girl to leave a club to spend
all night in your hotel-so it can take a considerab le amount of charm and persuasion to
talk a girl into a takeout allnighter

I started looking for the 4-10 bar on my first
trip to Juarez and didnt find it so I keep looking
for it on my second trip. I did find a pleasant
whore house that had no name right next to a
bar where it cost me only $20 for about 25 minutes
and I asked the girl if she wanted to have a
drink next door. We drank and danced for awhile
and talked while sitting at the bar and some of
the other girls would also come up and chat-so
it was a pleasant afterglow after sex. After leaving the bar with no name I just happened to
look up real high above some kind of sign that the
light had burned out in and saw the fabled numbers
4-10. I am always looking around the street in
case of any trouble and didnt see the sign because
it is so high up and had passed it several times
not knowing that the bar with no name was what
I had been searching for all along. It was a pleasant trip as I also made some pleasant friends
on the street. I saw a dog that looked hungry
and bought a bag of tortillas and walked around
the whore district feeding my canine friend when
another dog accompanied me also. The two dogs
were attracting some attention but nothing like
what happened when we joined for the party by
4 more dogs. I bought two more bags of tortillas
as I looked for the 4-10 bar and decided to
go in the Panama Club for a drink and scope it
out. Before entering though I continued to
feed the six dogs and the doorman left and came
back with the manager who tells me"what kind of
crazy gringo are you-the Pied Piper of orphan
dogs" and we all had a good laugh at the funny
look he had on his face as he looked at all the
dogs milling around the door of the Panama Club....LoL

Any man who feeds stray dogs tortillas is a good man at heart...
KRICO

And did this "Good man" clean up the doggie poop from the front of the club?

I have not seen that many dogs since but I think
I will start taking a Chihuahua with me and
carrying it in my coat pocket...it seems that
the girls get in a good mood when they can
pet a cute little dog..and of course my fame
would spread far and wide as the gringo with
the Chihuahua..."Oh yes I remember him-what
a cute little dog".
The atsmosphere in the old market
south and a little east of the Cathedral is
quite stimulating with hundreds of temporary
outdoor shops with all kinds of different stuff
to look at or buy and here is where the rock
bottom prices are for leather,blankets and
other tourist trinkets. THe whole time I was
in the old market place I didnt see one tourist
because most of them end up at the more expensive
tourist shopping centers. It is off of this
foot traffic only street and market that the
street De La Paz is located that has the street
girls waiting at the bottom of a stairway and
at the top of the stair way are rooms to stay
in for a short time and perhaps if it is late
enough for all night.

I recommend a "teacup" chihuahua...with glistening, bulging eyes, frenetic disposition, and a high-pitched "yap". Teach it to eat pussy on command....
This Juarez sounds interesting...I've been to El Paso a few times, but never crossed the border...all I could see was rolling, desert terrain.
Do you cover all of Texas and the Rio Grande border towns down there on your journeys?
KRICO

There used to be some really good discussion on Juarez in Redsnake. Lets get it going again...

It is interesting that when I first started
posting on redsnake about the massage parlors almost no information was available and now we
find out that Juarez is probably the border
massage capital of the world with 8to 12 places.
Two of the places I had not even seen or heard
of until they were posted as the massage scene
became "uncovered". Perhaps I will sponsor another get togethor like we had in Nuevo
Laredo.

Juarez, Mex.
I was traveling through Tex. on my way back to San Deigo and I decided to stop in El Paso. I pulled into El Paso around 11:30pm and got my hotel straightned out. I decided to head to Juarez. Here are a few observations.
Numero uno: The town closed down on me around 1:00am on Sunday evening. (What was THAT?) I was expecting this town to be in high gear around this time.
Numero dos: What's with the fee to cross into an out of Mexico? And how many damn bridges lead into that city? I was told to head to a free bridge? Free? Bridge? I was following freeway signs, when I almost got stuck in the border crossing lane? Total and utter confusion when it came to reading the freeway signs. That God El Paso's finest Police Dept. were around to show me when to park and cross.

Pink Lady's closed at 11 PM one night last week. The folks at Panama said they stay open 'til 1 on weeknights, 2 on weekends, but I think they just bail when they can't stand the boredom anymore. The whoring scene in Juarez is in pretty drastic need of a pickme-up. Few girls, almost no guys, much less gringos, at least during the week. They built it and no one came.

Ano Nuevo was the only place that had any sort of life in it, and it's the kind of place where it would be a challenge to get the chicas to go up. One caveat: If your goal in life is to play pool with a hooker, Juarez is the place for you!

TJCaliente - The free bridge is the way to go. There are three bridges. On the west side is the bridge from downtown El Paso. This is a good bridge to walk across. On the Mexican side of the bridge you are very close to the red light district. The middle bridge is the "free bridge".
Access to this bridge is easiest from I-10, just east of downtown. This is the bridge to use if you drive into Juarez. On the east side of El Paso and Juarez is the Zaragosa bridge. I've never used it but have heard that it is useful if the others have long lines.

Juarez does close early, but it gets started early. The massage parlor scene is active, and I've heard many good reviews. To get updated info, check the classfied section in the local Juarez newspaper, the Diario.

When I first started roaming in Juarez, I only went to the red light distict. It is very seedy, but you can find surprising quality there if you look. It is hit or miss. The best advise is to be patient. This is nothing like TJ, where the shiniest apples are displayed prominently.

I seldom go to the red light district anymore. The amateurs in Juarez keep me happy and satisfied.

Anyone been to Cd. Juarez lately? I'm going tomorrow and will be there overnight. I plan to scour the stripbars for tastey trollops. If that does pan out then I will venture into the darker recesses. My Juarez chica is out of town for Christmas...

There sure isnt much info here as there could be on Juarez. I personally have had great times there. Ive never tried the centro, but ive been in many massajes. I havent gone recently, because I am now in a serious relationship. But I can give some advise. Prices are all about $30-$40. I also give the girl $5 tip at the end, if i think i will use her again.

If I had to recommend one place, I like sirenas. There is a secured parking lot behind the building which is for a hotel. But you just give the security person a couple dollars and say "Solo Estacionamiento, un hora, por favor" and you can park there. A new girl works there named Jasmine. She is an american from milwaukee. Shes only a 6/10 but what an interesting story. Shes trailer trash type girl who has a relative living in juarez that she is staying with. She knows very little spanish. She said that mexican men are more gentle and respectful, so working in mexico is safer in many ways, compared to the US.

I will try to share more knowlege later.

After spending some time with RODETRIP AND GITANO at
the Monger meeting at Nuevo Laredo. I kinda know
what type each one likes and was surprised to find
that the quality that each guy likes was in Juarez. I
have read and heard comments in the past that Juarez
was not up to the quality in Nuevo Laredo or Tiajuana and sometimes that
is perhaps true if you dont know
where to look or if things are just down during the
time of that particular trip. The 4-10 bar is under
new management and had a girl that was remarkable. She
looks like but even better than Patty in Nuevo Laredo-
I found a GODDESS in Juarez. She is 26 but looks
much younger and has the body of a 16 year old girl
but with natural C+ breasts on about 115 lb. frame.Another girl
Marta is taller about 5'7-5'8 who goes to the room
with an occassional customer but works behind the
bar alot. She is another beauty but with a really
great personality who is always laughing and talking.
Gitano and I have been working on learning Spanish and
I would bet it has been rewarding for him because I
really enjoying talking to the girls. I really made
friends with the Goddess. She gave me her address
in Juarez and wants me to write her. She is working
just to support her child and wants better things.
She really liked dancing with me apparently along with
all the other activites. Big Jim in El Paso once
spoke about the rooms upstairs at the 4-10 and I
finally got to them for the first time but it was too
cold and I opted for one of the downstairs rooms but
it was noisy.....more to follow


Juarez seems to have more massage places than anywhere
except Tiajuana and I have counted some 13 places. MY
favorite is Serena. There was a girl there that was rated
a 9-10 with unusual blue eyes. But this time I wanted to find out what
the heavier set mexican girls were
like. I noticed some really large breasts but larger
hips and stomach . I am used to normal to skinny size
women I wondered if it was different. Well I got a
really good massage that actually worked the muscle
and she tried nearly everything you can think of to
try to make for a good time and she was very pretty
with a pleasant personality. I began to think the a
little larger size Mexican women can be quite pleasant.


After leaving the Serenas, I walked across the street to the Hotel Villa
Manport to the bar to have a coke
and rest a while and then walked south on Panama and
then turned right on Jose Borunda to the Masaje Corpus. There is a taxi
stand now on Panama between Escobar(where Serena is located) and Jose
Borunda-if you need a taxi. IN the old days it was hard to find
a taxi. The girls at Serena will call you one but if
they are already closed I found out I could get the
desk people at the Villa Manport to call me one.
It is always fun walking the1200 to1500 yards
to the Masaje Corpus during the day because the building construction
designs are interesting. At the Masaje Corpus there were about 6 girls
working and I took a 24 year old who was about a rating of 9... and
about 5'2" C cup breast size and about 105lbs. She had me take a shower
first and instead of using the table laid some padding and sheet on the
floor and then proceeded to give me a rather good massage and then
mounted up on top with her feet planted firmly on the floor and
proceeded to give a rather athletic sexual workout.
Feeling very contented I then walked maybe 3 blocks west on Borunda to
the Masaje Felina, on the second or third floor and checked them out.
They had 3 girls busy and 4 girls available but I didnt see anything I
wanted to stay for and walked back to Panama and the taxi stand and took
a taxi back to my Hotel downtown. The massage places close about 9:00
and furnish great daytime action. After resting at my Hotel I walked
to the 4-10 bar , later that night, to meet the GODDESS I have described
in Part 1 ....more to come

DrGood,
If you had a choice for a first timer to mexico, would you choose NL or Juarez?

my two centavos for what its worth. I've been to Juarez twice and the NL about 4 times. Juarez always seems to be a let down. The total experience just doesn't ever seem complete. I've had one nice chica each trip for an extended session in the playpen each time but it just doesn't seem to measure up to either TJ or NL. Boystown in NL is a whole nother story. I've gotten in the habit of scheduling trips to Texas around my birthday so I can spend it at Tamykos and Papagayoes. The whole BT scene is just a great turn on and the quality/talent of the chicas is just great. I've gotten to where I'd rather go to BT than TJ now. Its closer, usually less expensive and I have a better time. For a rookie, you can't go wrong in BT (as long as you stay away from the TV bars on the back street). Between the two main clubs and the streetmeat on blowrow you should do fine.
E_C_J

olfvgang, for a first time Nuevo Laredo certainly has its advantage. Every man should see and experience Boystown at least once. I remember walking around it in utter amazement at how large the place is. Boystown is easy to find
and the three main clubs are close to each other and usually there is a consistent
good quality of girls. The Americans will even help you with information if you ask.
You will always usually have a good time at Boystown. I am probably the only
gringo who has uncovered the treasures tobe found in Juarez. My last visit found
enough 9 rated girls to make me happy. If you are in to massase then Juarez is the only place to go. It feels great to get all the tension rubbed out of your muscles
so that you can really relax and then feel sensuous touch all over your body before
getting into some serious sex. Juarez is somewhat of an adventure like a gold miner. You go and search for gold at each location and following my postings you will strike gold, the female kind.. Many of the other guys did not know where to go
and look in Juarez and did not have that good of a time.. What is interesting is that there are still numerous places in Juarez that I have not been to yet. DOCTORGOOD

Doctorgood
In these Juarez massage places are they set up where the action takes place on little massage tables or are any of them a little more user friendly?Thanks for trailblazing.
Taxibob

Taxibob, the massage tables at Serenas and
Masaje Corpus are heavy and sturdy with a thick
padding and there is enough room for two people
to lay on their sides really close to each other.The last time I was at Serenas the girls would start out on top...then we would switch
places...then I would be standing and the girl would have her torso on the table but I would have
her legs in my arms. The heavy padding really
helps on the knees when you are continually
pounding for 30 to 45 minutes. The girls acted
overwhelmed at first from the relentless banging
because they tell me that most men will finish
in 10 minutes and as I passed the 30 minute mark
they began to really turn on. They would break
out in a sweat and after a while start playing
with themselves to coax forth an orgasm or even
two or three orgasms. They usually ask me how
old I am and look at me in wonder...LOL....and upon returning the next time the smiles were very
warm when they greeted me again because they had
an unusally good time and because I talked to them
about their children, where they were from, what had happened in their marriage and would honestly
tell them why I thought they were attractive and would tell them some poetry to describe how I felt.

It is an adventure walking in the old marketplace of Juarez with its
hundreds and hundreds of small shops both inside and on foottraffic only
streets. From the bridge
at El Paso street in El Paso you bear slightly to the right to began
walking south on Juarez and after on Juarez for a block or so you take a
right on any street and then a left on Mariscal which in about
6-7hundred yards it seems you arrive at the cathedral. From the street
in front of the cathedral continuing south you will be on a street that
is foot traffic only with shops in the middle of it, then coming to De
La Paz
you can go left to see all the shops, cantinas and street girls (you
would be going east) and after returning you could keep going west into
the old market place section
with its unique restraunts,butchers, vegetable vendors and a few
thousand people
out shopping. It is quite an experience. I bought a banana and stopped
to watch a man talking to friends with his two Chihuahuas, which are
supposed tobe native
to the state of Chihuahua where Juarez is located.
My favorite time to go to the old market is on Saturday Morning . There
are Aztec dancers
in the Cathedral square, indians and all kinds of people seem to come to
the town square on
Saturday morning. I stopped to look at some herbs in a doorway and went
inside the building looking
at herbs and plants and discovered that I was actually on the third
floor of an enormous restaurant spread belowme. The had a Mariachi band
and piano and violin players for the noon meal .
I noticed a group of rather excited people gathered around someone in
the street and was
surprised to see a woman and man with several cages of rattlesnakes and
she was selling rattlesnake
venom. According to her for aches and pain and arthritis and swellings
on the skin all you had to
do was rub the venom on the skin. I thought about buying some but I am
going to research the use
of venom some more to see what there is tobe learned. Many people have
told me that they have
used bee venom for arthritis pain . So I may look for the rattlesnake
lady the next time I go to Juarez.
I thought , gollylee, here I came to Juarez to get some diversion with
all its beautiful girls and I find something to do some research on.
What is interesting about rattlesnake venom is that is looks like
sperm when it is cool..........DOCTORGOOD

Doctorgood, you really have the feel for the place, and I am sure you make friends everywhere you go. What you said about talking to the girls about their children and their ups and downs is the best possible thing you can do. I believe some of these girls could fuck John Holmes and chew gum at the same time, but once they warm up to you it's a GFE every single time with them. I am frequently given telephone numbers and asked if a girl can come to my apartment for nothing. Trouble is, I don't really want a GF, and know that's what she has in mind.

Just enjoying the culture and the people makes Juárez more interesting. The Mexicans are just a bright a people as we are, and they can tell when you have a little respect. Once away from the hustlers in Zona Roja, I do not think I have ever encountered more friendly or decent and helpful people. But you have to get off the trolley and away from the tourist zones to find them. I would post more on this subject, but I doubt it if would be of much interest to those here who are needing concrete information for weekend trips...

Well DreamingEagle, I think you would be surprised
that a lot of the guys that read this board are interested in transactions with the local "good" Mexicans outside the Zona. I would be willing to bet that should you start publishing some experiences you would have quite an audience from
Westfargo to Lakers and of course I would be very
in
terested because I may retire someday in Mexico.
I am going tobe in Juarez in 2 or 3 weeks and I am
looking forward to a steak dinner at your favorite
place.
For some reason , maybe because I have the old
windows 3.1, I have been unable to read the info
or get into the Yahoo site. I have the passwords
and all but still come up with nothing.

Does anyone remember Queens Place? I hear it is due to reopen soon. I hope so. I recall a little chapara named Laura and she used to whirl my world. She liked it from behind standing up which you may say is difficult for a chapara but she managed. I think she may have been a text book nymphomaniac. Any takes on this?

Yeah Queens Place was nice but way to expensive
to take a girl out. Maybe the new place will
be a better deal, but regardless I am enjoying
my improved negociation skills and have been
working on Spanish romantic,slang and nasty talk to
entertain the girls with...in fact I wish I was
at the Kentucky Club right now having a drink. You know that wooden bar they have in there
looks really old-probably from the 50s. I remember the summer of about two years ago I was
walking around when we had a heat wave and it
seemed like it was 120 degrees as I was making
my way down Juarez from the bridge. I thought
why is it so fucking hot here. Then I looked around at all the concrete and masonry and
then also remembered that El Paso and Juarez
are in a desert...LOL...I havent had a Jacuzzi
session at Serenas in a long time and I am looking
forward to one of those also...and I wont mind
buying you a few beers at the Kentucky Club...
Oh I also want to try out the Indian Chicas
in the old market place and see what that is like..Regards Doctorgood

Doc, I've been looking around the zona for the 4-10 club and probably walking right by it. Do you happen to know the exactly location in relation to one of the three main whore bars? I'll ask around next weekend, but I thought you might know.

DREAMINGEAGLE-you can see the sign with the
4-10 on top of it some 40 to 50 feet off the
ground. All you have to do is walk down Martinez
in the daytime, from its intersection with
the street that is 1 block west of Juarez.
Walking down Martinez of course you will see
the panama club down one of the intersecting
streets to the left. The 4-10 is on the east
side of the street and it is on one of the streets before you get to the Sans Souci, and it may
even be on the same street as Sans Souci. If
you cant find it I will publish the address
the next time I go. Best Regards.......

Will be in J during daytime later this week (Thursday). Are bars open? Any action available afternoon? If not, how far is it to MP's?

Philboy;

A belated answer, but perhaps it will benefit others. At this time Pink lady is open every day but sunday from about 12 on. As a bonus, about 3 pm there is the daily feeding of the chicas. Some local lonchero brings in a huge platter of carne de res. the bartender pours beer all over it and he goes and grills it. when he brings it back it is accompanied by guacamole and cebollas. A safety tip, do not get between a hungary mexican hooker and a platter of grisly carnitas. For customers its also a free meal. This is the norm all over the zona and if you can get the times straight you can eat free a couple times in one afternoon.
As far as the mp's are concerned, they seem to be clustered around calle panama between 16 de sept and the river. Altough others have advised against, I found this to be an easy 20 min walk and totally safe day or night. Start with sirenas, 400 pesos for truly great time with a beutiful 24 yo. After crossing the bridge, walk up Juarez a couple of blocks and then turn left on any of the larger st.s. Just keep walking until you get to Panama. (maybe 1.5 miles). Then ask anyone which way to escobar. You really cant get lost, just remember that as youre heading toward calle panama, 16 de sept is on your right and the river on your left. to get back, go to the pemex station kiddy corner from serenas and jump on a bus on either of the streets (it's a sort of y intersect) heading away from panama. For 3 pesos they will get you back near centro.
One other comment, there seems to be some paranoia in the posts about the policia. I got into a confontation in one of those little whorhouse/motels that are attached to the bars in the zona. I flagged down a validad car (traffic police) He sealed off the entrance and called the criminal police. These guys show up looking like storm toopers in a big white pickup. Listened to my story. I explained in spanish how i was screwed out of twenty dollars. They went in like rambo and made it clear that it was "viente dollares o problemas". The pimp/clerk argued and was shoved physicaly into the wall and reminded who was in charge. My money soon appeared and the police kept every one in the place lined up long enough that i could bid them a cordial chinga tu madre. They then shook my hand and i was on my way. Now thats how to contribute positively to tourism.

I was in El Paso about two weeks ago, and decided to head into Juarez. I had a biz meeting in the A.M., but headed sown in the early afternoon. Both Panama and the Pink Lady were kinda slow. You're right about Pananma's they need a serious infusion of energy and customers skills. Don't they know there is a recession and war on ??.

I decided to skip any further adventures, bought some Vitaman V, and headed back to EP. where IMNSHO there are some of the best strip clubs in the US. Off the scale in the nasty factor.

One of my favorites is the Cabaret on Montana. $5 dollar laps that are fully interactive. Have you ever got the $40 special dance???.

Anyway, I picked up a nice little 22 y.o. named gabriella? and for 70 bucks she came back to my hotel for a several hour fuckfest. MUCH better than Juarez.

I cannot even begin to tell you about my adventures at the Montana Hideaway, $10 nude laps, also fully interactive.The Red Parrot wasn't bad either. I usually find El Paso to be so good, I don't even go to Juarez that much. Although I must admit I have not sampled the massage parlors which I hear might just be the ticket!!!

Just my $.02

OG