Wednesday July 6 Early AM: Singapore: After an uneventful trip from LAX on Singapore Air, I got through Changi Airport in no time, as Epi had predicted, and was on my way to Geylang within minutes. Hotel 81 on Loreng 12 looked OK, so I checked in for S$59 plus a S$20 deposit, later refunded. The room was postage-stamp sized, there was barely enough room around the bed to fit my suitcase, and the shower was the whole-bathroom-is-the-shower-enclosure type. No matter, it was just a place to clean up and leave my suitcase while I adventured elsewhere.

Then I went down and walked around the area, up and down the lorengs from 10 to 18. Epi’s guidance was correct, except that I found hookers on Loreng 8 too. I couldn’t really identify the ethnic groups, there were a number of different looks, but I didn’t know what was what for sure. The ones I thought were Chinese were asking the most, S$80 to 100 (the cutest one was 100, of course). I talked to a couple of Indonesians, one who spoke passable English, and was impressed with their looks and personalities. That reduced the hesitation I had about spending a significant amount of time in Indonesia, I was now looking forward to being with cewaks, but tonight I was looking for a Chinese.

I finally found Faw Fan (or something like that), a non-English speaking Chinese cutie with Japanese-style hair (square-cut around her face, dyed blond), who came down from S$80 to the S$60 I offered. It was not a particularly sensual session, she was all business, but so cute and adequately professional that she left me satisfied.

Hungry, I went looking for something to eat, which was a challenge: many of the places were closing, as it was almost 5 AM, and there was that language barrier. But I got something delicious—not sure exactly what it was—and a can of delicious jasmine green tea. There was time for another spin through the neighborhood, talk to a few more girls (well, try to talk—not much English spoken), then grab my suitcase and take a cab to the airport. I caught the 7 AM Tiger Air flight to AC without incident, and even slept a little on the flight.

Wednesday Afternoon: Angeles City: It only took a short time to get through the small Clark airport, and get a cab to the Orchid Inn. After unpacking, I called Porker. He came over, we hooked up with MongerX and they took me barhopping, showing me a few of the many bars along Fields. I was overwhelmed with the number and availability of girls, many of them cute spinners. At Doll House, the first stop, several girls surrounded me and started molesting me. I was in heaven—how did they know I was cherry boy?

My hombre buddies showed me Santos Street, and we took a look at the Wild Orchid Resort, just opening. I made a reservation there for the next day, since I wasn’t entirely happy with the Orchid—it was OK, but the new one seemed better. Several bars later, I came back to Doll House and barfined a little spinner A (didn’t quite get her name), one of the four girls that had been vying for my attention. She was shy and reserved in the bar, but said that was because of the other girls.

We had a sedate before-dinner session (she said I was too big), and it wasn’t entirely satisfactory—she was still shy. And she left a bloodstain on the bed, perhaps its origin had something to do with her attitude. But I was tired (which is why I had selected her instead of taking the three who were most aggressive). We hooked up for dinner with MongerX and Porker, barhopped, came back. She said she was tired, and wanted to leave. She wasn’t that enthusiastic anyway, so I sent her home and went to sleep.


Thursday: I packed and moved to the Wild Orchid, and got set up on the internet there. I hooked up with Porker and MongerX again, and they took me barhopping to more places. We went out Perimeter Road, and I got a “sample blow job” at Nifty’s in a back booth, which ended up being expensive because apparently it included six ladydrinks, three tequila shots each for the two girls entertaining me. “Don’t come,” they said, or they’d have to charge me for short time.

Later, I went back to pick up Berly and Jocelyn at Doll House. I looked for Cindy, the other girl in the group who had so deliciously molested me, but could not find her. After a nice session, we had dinner at Cottage kitchen, a Creole restaurant out Perimeter Road, then went barhopping some more. Both girls were total GFE’s. Not particularly pretty, either one, but they were both total GFEs. In the morning, it was Jocelyn’s turn again, and we discovered that she had started her period. Well, that’s why I brought all those rubbers.

Friday: MongerX had a pool party at his hotel, the Sunset Gardens, out Perimeter Road a bit. The famous Yum Yum was there, and I was of course taken with her, cute little spinner that she is. A sexy girl named Marilou was also dancing around seductively, looking slutty and showing off her body. Hippie arrived in town and joined us for much of the next couple of days.

We all went to dinner again at the Cottage Kitchen, then of course we went barhopping. Both Blue Nile clubs were too crowded to stay, I never did get to the BNE (the first time around). As the evening progressed, I found out I had a shot with the sexy Marilou, and MongerX was interested in taking Yum Yum for a dupla with the girl he was already with, Christina. So I ended up with Marilou.

As the evening turned into late night, I found myself dancing with her and Christina on the stage at Las Vegas (later I heard that Christina was trying to shake a stalker, she had grabbed me for cover), but was getting the feeling that Marilou was not going to be a GFE, she wasn’t very affectionate, but she was still VERY sexy. Back in the room, she was almost a starfish, very responsive to DATY and covered sex, but not touching me (I finally put her hand on my breast, she played with me nicely).

Photos: Marilou 01 02 03 04 05 06 07

Saturday: Woke up at 7 (3½ hr later), Marilou was awake and said she couldn’t get back to sleep. We talked for a while after she got dressed, obviously was not into having sex. Met Porker for lunch, he told me that I should have taken control, told her what to do (she had been his first gf in AC four years ago). But it was not really my style to be too forceful. We hooked up with MongerX, went to a few bars, I but didn’t see anything I wanted (I bought a lady drink for a hottie MongerX recommended, but no chemistry developed).

I texted Yum Yum about barfining her tonight, and we got to Magic Moment before I got a return message. Leanna, who was hot for MongerX, was there, and I asked her if she knew a hot girl in the club. She beckoned over Cristina, a petite cutie with a high-pitched voice and a perky little-girlish manner that I found quite sexy. There were sparks right away, and I decided to barfine her.

Just then, I got two texts from Yum Yum, saying it would be OK to barfine her. What the heck, I’ll take both. I called Yum Yum, we agreed I’d come to Bunny Ranch at 7:30 to get her. I brought Cristina back, we had a sweet session that was cut short because she was getting sore (she was a TINY girl). Not much time for the nap I needed, and I wasn’t tired any more anyway. We walked around the corner to buy a bathing suit for Cristina, and went to use the beautiful large pool for a while.

Photos: Christina 08 09 10

Then it was time to collect Yum Yum, who had me buy a drink for her sister and asked if she could bring the sister along to dinner. Sis demurred, and separated as we went to Sub Delicious to meet Porker, MongerX, and Alan (a friend of Porker’s from another board). Cristina and Yum Yum seemed to be getting along well, chatting in Tagalog and laughing occasionally, but at the end of dinner, Yum Yum invented a story about having to go to the hospital because her sister was hit by a jeepney, and she took off.

When I went back to Bunny Ranch a little later to get my barfine refunded, she was there, and told me there was a big problem with Cristina, she’d explain later. Cristina asked if I wanted another girl, she said it would be OK (don’t you just love it?), so I asked her if she had a friend she liked at Magic Moment. We went there to pick up Margie, another sexy spinner. She was with a guy who had bought her five shooters, and was drunk—fun drunk. We rejoined the guys, Margie was very sensual and I knew she’d be a good time—lots of wet kisses in the bars, etc.

We continued barhopping, and Cristina told me she had started spotting, then showed me that she was bleeding a lot. Later, she was in obvious discomfort, and complaining of a stomachache, so I sent her home.

We eventually ended up at Las Vegas Club, where Leanna (from Magic Moment) joined us. She was upset that MongerX was leaving. Apparently, she had a big crush on him after he talked to her in the bar. She was a spinner cutie, but we figured she was too young—about 14. Partly because of that, and partly because she had apparently texted MongerX five times after he met her, he didn’t want to barfine her—he thought she was a little psycho, and her subsequent behavior proved him right. But she was totally hung up on him, and imagined that they had some kind of relationship that she was losing (MongerX had been with the same girl for four nights, and Leanna knew it). She was crying on everyone’s shoulder, which was ridiculous, and reinforced the impression that she was quite immature, too young to be working.

Finally, we closed down the place, and I took Margie home. She turned out to be delightfully insatiable. “I horny girl when I drunk,” “I bad girl,” and she was indeed. She gave me a mini-lecture about being careful (between kisses) and asked for a rubber, which we used (I wasn’t sure if she wanted to use it for cbj, and told her I didn’t want that). Of course, the next morning when we first woke up (early), she just put me inside her and went to town. Afterwards, we cuddled and dozed for several hours. Margie was the horniest, most insatiable girl I’ve had since SuperModel in Brasil a year and a half ago, but more genuinely affectionate and loving.

Photos: Margie 11 12 13 14


Sunday: Margie left close to 2 PM, and I had a very late breakfast at the Royal Amsterdam (yes, the best breakfast so far). Afterwards, I hooked up with Porker, and we chatted for a few hours. Yum Yum texted me that she had a good reason for cutting out the night before, don’t be mad at her, and I told her I might forgive her, what was her reason? She replied that she thought—she wasn’t sure—that Christina had been “sick” before.

I told her I’d forgive her, although Christina’s side of the story was that Christina’s ex-girlfriend (as in lesbian) had been Yum Yum’s girlfriend, Yum Yum probably felt awkward but Christina had never been “sick.” Then, I went to Magic Moment to visit Margie, because I really liked her sexy, loving cuteness. After one ladydrink, I left to hook up with Porker at Doll House, and to my surprise, Jocelyn and Cindy immediately cuddled up next to me (I had thought Jocelyn would be gone by that hour, but their shifts were staggered). I wasn’t specifically looking for Jocelyn, because I didn’t find her to be that attractive, but she had been such a great GFE that I decided to take her and Cindy.

Meanwhile, Porker was trying to get MongerX’s Christina (we’ll call her Christina DD for two obvious reasons) to go with him, but she wouldn’t, even though MongerX had left. I found her attractive too (she had been SERIOUSLY FLIRTING with me when MongerX wasn’t looking for the past few days), and told her I wanted to barfine her tomorrow, she said she started at 11. The girls and I went back for some boom-boom, and then went barhopping. We came back around 1:30 AM because the girls had to be at hygiene (VD testing) in the morning at 9.

Photo: Jocelyn 15


Monday: Somehow, we overslept until 8:30, so no boom-boom. But Cindy didn’t have to start work until 4, and said she’d come back. I invited Jocelyn to come back for a quick swim before she had to start work at 11. When she came back, Cindy wasn’t with her, and she said Cindy had decided to go home. Too bad, one less for the pool party (and no pics). So we went for a dip, played around in the pool and lost track of the time, so Jocelyn ended up getting to work at 11:30. I gave her an extra 50 pesos to make up for the salary that she would be docked (if I understood her correctly) on top of her 500 tip. Cindy got no tip, obviously, since she didn’t come back.

Walking towards Doll House to try to hook up with Christina DD, I was walking behind a very sexy slim figure, and found lust welling up in me. Walking faster to catch up, I saw that it was Yum Yum. Since I had forgiven her, I said hello, watcha doin? She was on her was to the mall (I hadn’t realized one existed anywhere nearby) to sell her handphone to raise money for her sister’s birthday party. I told her I was going to have a pool party, and I wanted to do short time with her when she was finished her business. Well, she followed me into Doll House. Christina DD came over to me, I bought them both drinks and told Christina DD I wanted to barfine her.

I thought I made my intentions quite clear, told her I wanted her for one night only, I knew she was MongerX’s girl. I offered to barfine a friend of hers to come to the pool party (so she’d have company), and she selected Lonnie, a girl I wouldn’t have otherwise taken because she was a lot chubbier than I like, although she had a pretty face and turned out to be sweet. Lonnie asked, pool party only, and I replied, for you, yes, not for her.

They had to go to Christina DD’s apartment to get bathing suits, so Yum Yum came back to my room for short time. Sexy little thing.

Photos: Yum Yum 16 17 18

But she wasn’t into kissing, or allowing DATY, told me to put on a condom when she was finished sucking. I didn’t protest, since she had been concerned about my previous partner, I thought argument would be futile—and of course, we always want to practice safe sex. Just as we finished, the phone rang, Christina DD was at the front desk.

We hurriedly got dressed, but there was no knock at the door. A few minutes later, I opened my door to see where they were, and found the girls just waiting in the hallway. Shy? Who knows. Yum Yum went off to sell her handphone, and we got into the pool. Playing around in the Wild Orchid’s huge pool with the bubbling Jacuzzis was a lot of fun, even if I did end up getting a little sunburned. The bubbles hid what was going on under the surface of the water, although Christina DD submerging her head under water between my legs was probably a clue to anyone watching. The two of them kept me hard in the pool for two hours with their serious flirting, teasing and groping, great fun.

We ordered lunch and ate in the pool (there were submerged seats around the bar which protruded into the pool), and then went up to my room. Christina DD started playing shy/coy and getting dressed, so I said wait a minute, it’s time for boom-boom. With a little coaxing, she went down on me for a while, then let me in. But after a short time, she said, It’s my friend’s turn. While I was trying to protest, she got up and went into the bathroom, and Lonnie came out and spread. What’s a guy to do when he’s horny, hard and slippery-wet, so I finished with Lonnie (Reubenesque gals ain’t too bad, I found, although she certainly wasn’t a MasterBates-class chub).

Photos: Christina DD & Lonnie 19 20

But then they both got dressed and said they were going home. I protested, and Christina DD said she liked MongerX, and this was just a pool party. I said I had barfined them long time not short time, but they were determined to leave. When I said I was going to complain to Doll House, Christina DD said good luck in getting your money back, you’ve fucked both of us. Then the light bulb went on that I was being scammed, the girls wanted a free day off. I got a little more intense—not raising my voice, but accusing them of cheating me—and Christina DD broke into tears saying “But I like MongerX.”

At that point, another light bulb went on that they had won, I hate to see girls cry like that, and if I pressed my point in any way it would just be bad karma, and not accomplish anything useful anyway. So I backed off, and apologized to her, told her that I believed she misunderstood and really thought that I was just barfining her for a pool party (funny how lying gets to be easy when necessary). After 10 minutes, she had calmed down, and I let them leave; Lonnie was saying there was no problem, and I hoped so. She was right, Christina DD smiled and waved back at me the next day when I passed by her outside Doll House, and called me as I was leaving to wish me a good flight.

It was a little after five by then, and I just went straight to Magic Moment to find Margie. She threw herself into my lap with a big smile and a wet kiss. I also bought Leanna a ladydrink, she was still lamenting the loss of her illusory relationship with MongerX. I tried to tell her one more time—gently—that MongerX was not her boyfriend like she was imagining. Margie and I took off back to the hotel, and went swimming for a while. Porker brought Why1952 over to introduce us, and we hit it off.

After talking a while with Why1952, Margie and I went back to the room and made love. We had an excellent dinner at the Wild Orchid restaurant with Porker and his girl, and spent a wonderful evening together, barhopping with a few friends. Leanna asked if she could join us, and met us at the Blue Nile, bringing two of her friends (one of whom, Victoria, I knew slightly—she had been drunk and mildly obnoxious the previous times I had seen her). They ordered a round of drinks on my tab without asking, and all lit up cigarettes. They didn’t extinguish their cancer sticks when I started complaining about choking on the smoke, but at least they didn’t light up again while ordering a second round of drinks for themselves. I didn’t say anything about their assuming and abusing my hospitality, after all, Leanna had introduced me to little Christina who introduced me to Margie, whom I liked a lot. And I had learned that Filipinas do that sort of thing naturally.


Tuesday: We woke up late, I called little Christina to see if she was working, and we set off to Magic Moment to barfine Margie and Christina. Christina met us in the street on the way, we went into the bar and I bought Leanna a last drink and gave her one more time the advice to forget her MongerX fantasy. The girls went to get some clothes, and I went to the Orchid Inn to find Why1952. He was eating breakfast by the pool, and was about to go on a mission, so he agreed to come over to the Wild Orchid later.

When he arrived, he spent quite a while briefing me on possible SCUBA destinations, and other recommended trips; he was quite familiar with the Philippines.

The girls and I had a wonderful day together, mostly in the pool, despite one of the frequent rainstorms. After dinner, we went up to my room. Little Christina was so cute when she said, “I have mens, I have to give blow job.” And she did, enthusiastically. Margie hid behind a sheet, kissing me while pointedly not watching. After a while, Christina said “your turn,” and got up and went into the bathroom. Margie put away the sheet and we made love. A little while later, Christina went home, and Margie and I slept comfortably.

Photos: Christina & Margie 21 22 23 24

Photos: Margie 25 26 27

Margie woke up in my arms in the morning and started crying, because I was leaving. We made sweet love, and I told her I would be back soon. I was actually quite taken with her, and wanted to come back. She was so unaffected, so affectionate, so sweet. She helped me pack, and we went downstairs to check out.

Fantastic report. Great looking girls. AC sure is a seductive place.

Magic Moment? Is that a perimeter bar? I was just in AC in July and don't recall seeing a bar by that name. I don't even see it on Wayne's map.

Magic Moment is right at the start of the perimeter segment, just next to Edelweiss. Barfine 1,000, but walking distance from everything--good deal.

Yes, AC sure seduced me. And the girls get better. I'm always overeager at the beginning of a trip, and take what comes along first rather than wait for the best.

Poacher

Hunterman
I would believe Christina's side of the story about Yum Yum. I can verify that she is definitely bisexual and presently has a Filipina girlfriend. Yum Yum has rotating members of her family in the hospital - very fequently used excuse by her.

Totally surprised about the no DFK or DATY as she loves both. She never even mentioned the word condom even the many times I did a dupla with her and Ying.

I guess I just have a way with women.

Actually, she was in a hurry. She had a party later that day, and had to sell her handphone first. This was a true "quickie."

Hmmmm, can't quite buy the 'gotta sell my HP' bit. If she did that I'd guess her income would drop by a good 70+ %. That bitch is no rocket scientist, but I'm pretty damned sure she knows that sans cellphone she'd frigg'n STARVE.

Uhmmm, unless them semi-quarterly W. Union infusions are 'larger than they appear'!IMAGINE that!!!

and the shower was the whole-bathroom-is-the-shower-enclosure type.

LOL! A 'CITY VIEW' MOMENT in 1st/1/2world SIN!!!

Hmmm..... Yum Yum had one o' them fancy twisto-moviephones, and was quite enamored with it. She "borrowed" money to buy blood for her mother in hospital.

Great trip report and photos.

Christina looks adorable and delicious.

Happy Trails, Lancer

Seque, one GREAT thing about Magic Moments is that the girls there don't wear double-layered panties, just the standard flimsy cotton ones. For pervs like ME that means even a light rubbing of the general crotch area leads to easy finger insertion. THAT PLACE is gonna do some business if they can manage to keep big brother from cracking down on them. The hottie % is only slightly better than normal there, IMO (I think Hunterman got the top two draft picks!), but from what I experienced there (no barfines, so can't comment on that) the in-bar mileage is pretty damned good. Such is the claim to fame of the perimeter bars in general.

Porker,

For awhile now, I've been following your LoS versus AC dialogues with great interest and amusment. The've been hilarious. Having made a number of trips to LoS and Rio previously, I just came back from my maiden AC trip a few weeks ago. Maybe it's the newness of the place for me, but all of a sudden your side of the argument seems a lot more persuasive than before.

Hunterman:

Someone sure must have it in for you. They only gave you a "1" on your photos. I would have given you at least a 5 or 6.

Don't pay attention to those biggets.

Thanks for the photos.

MM

MM: Thanks, but I haven't had an internet connection since I posted the report, so I'm oblivious to the ratings. Anyway, I could care less what others think of my photos. I'm not a skilled photographer like Epi or Bahtman, and I know some of the girls I go with are not stunners (or even close in some cases). I make my choices based on a lot more than looks, as I'm sure most of us do, and I post pics of ALL the girls that don't forbid it, not just the good ones. In fact, on my first Thailand trip, when I was choosing on the basis of looks alone (since I couldn't talk with the girls), I wasn't too happy with the results.

Segue: I understand. You just can't easily communicate what AC has to offer, you have to experience it.

I enjoyed your report Hunterman. Though I have not been back to Angeles since the early 90s I see the tales these girls tell to make excuses are still alive and well.

Considering the good, bad, and indifferent...the important thing is you captured one of life's Kodak moments that you can remember fondly until the day you...well, until you can no longer remember.

The only thing that bothers me is all the blood. Either you are just a big bad boy busting remmenants of hemin average guys cannot reach, or these filipina are breaking the news to you way too late...after they have your money.

Call me a cad, but when I interview a potential session...one of my questions is, "When was your last menstruation or when is your next?" I hate being halfway into a session and start noticing dark rings on the condom...just not a good thing.

AJ

Haha. You guys keep talking about "yum yum" like she is the only girl in Angeles. Come on guys, get out there and find some new material. I will be there in October and Im not taking second helpings from you guys. You can have "yum yum", Im finding some new stuff.

Well stated stateman. Contrary to HM report's I actually have never done Yum Yum (although I did let her blow me in the Bunny ranch CR for a couple minutes.) It's funny how some people get more attracted to a girl when they see her with a friend, for me it is the opposite. I am definately never moved to girl who just finished with my buddy. Hell I have been traveling extensively for a year with Crazier and only recently have we formed a common history, and in this case I booked a girl around six months after he did.

Of course sometimes there is flirting between a girl and her buddy's friend when out on the town.
The principle I try to follow is that he who calls the girl over, buys the drink, or pays the bar fine is the Boss. As a friend of the Boss you really shouldn't really be flirting, partaking of the molesting, or trying to arrange a future barfine unless the Boss invites and oks such behavior. When someone starts pushing their way in uninvited it can really undermine the authority of Boss and makes it more difficult to manage the date. When I am the boss sometimes I am in the mood for a good old festive molestation party (and will ask my girl to give a feel to her awesome chest), sometimes I rather indulge in a more romantic one-on-one, but certainly all of the time I don't want my friend seriptiously playing footsie with my barfine under the table or working her over for future a barfine when I am dancing with the "professional cousin." Too me these guidelines should be self-evident to anyone who a bros before hos type of monger.

I agree 100% on all points. I join the few and proud that has never done yum yum-- she doesn't do much for me although I can attest to the fact that she is fun to party with.

As for monger ethics, sure one can argue there is none and all is fair game. Then again one can argue that one can be selective in who they chose to share their time with. MX-- I've gone out of my way to avoid one of your ex GFs even though chemistry is a boiling at times... I won't go there... well unless you plop her on my lap one of these days ;)

Oct is soon upon us, dump any and all plans to visit ac or jkt and join us in LoS-- the land of ugly, overpriced, and gals with severe attitudes... I wouldn't have it any other way.

DM wise words regarding being selective in who we spend time with. Also I wonder which of my EX's it could be , must be the only one I have.

As for Oct., hey I have the luxury of doing both I arrive in BKK oct. 6 and depart 11, probably will split some time between BKK and Pattaya. Hopefully you and KM will overlap on those dates.

I also go to AC OCt. 20-24. No Jakarta in October with Ramadan.

Stateman
I don't remember anyone saying she was the only girl in AC. Her name comes up only because she has one way or another crossed many of our paths recently. Certainly no one is twisting your arm to get you to screw her when you get there. We look forward to your report and of course plenty of pictures of all these new girls.

MX
Now you're sounding like our dear former President. Oral sex is not really sex is it ??

I echo DM's bid to join us in the one true Paradise in October!!

DM
I do have to agree that especially in a place as small and petty as AC , it can be very problematic to follow in someone's mongering footsteps. Can get disagreeable for both Hombres eventually, especially when she knows that the guys know each other. She will turn it into a contest of who does what the best and play both ends against the middle.

KM,

I rather be like the guy who claims oral isn't sex (my definition is I don't come with oral then it ain't sex!), than the guy who claims that Saddam had WMD's.

Well I guess there really is a monger credo and I wish more would follow this. Not many rules to follow...just a couple and the main one is bros before hos.

"The principle I try to follow is that he who calls the girl over, buys the drink, or pays the bar fine is the Boss. As a friend of the Boss you really shouldn't really be flirting, partaking of the molesting, or trying to arrange a future barfine unless the Boss invites and oks such behavior. When someone starts pushing their way in uninvited it can really undermine the authority of Boss and makes it more difficult to manage the date. When I am the boss sometimes I am in the mood for a good old festive molestation party (and will ask my girl to give a feel to her awesome chest), sometimes I rather indulge in a more romantic one-on-one, but certainly all of the time I don't want my friend seriptiously playing footsie with my barfine under the table or working her over for future a barfine when I am dancing with the "professional cousin." Too me these guidelines should be self-evident to anyone who a bros before hos type of monger."

Couldnt have said it any better myself...pretty much every guy I have ever met follows this credo but evidentally those rules dont apply in Brazil or to some mongers.

For everybody's information--and I thought I explained this clearly to MongerX--I made no move whatsoever towards Christina DD until MongerX left, and then I asked him if he would mind if I barfined her before I visited her (had he given me any indication AT ALL that he was uncomfortable with it, I would not have gone ahead and tried, even if he HAD said yes). SHE was the one putting her hand on my crotch under the tablecloth and "playing footsie" (figurativelyand literally) with me--making suggestive eye and mouth motions every chance she got. I made no moves towards her at all, did not invite her attentions, made no attempt to arrange a future barfine in any way. "Partaking in the molesting?" Where is the line here?

I am in agreement with MongerX's stated ethic, and live by it myself to the best of my ability.

Obviously, there is some misunderstanding here, possibly of where the line is, and probably of what actually happened. But aren't these kinds of issues best discussed in private? If I have a problem with XXX, isn't it best if I talk with XXX and maybe resolve some misunderstandings?--in my experience, many problems are the result of misunderstandings rather than intentional bad behavior.

monger ethics? that's an oxymoron....just becuase
you buy a whore doesn't mean i shouldn't buy her
too...does it hurt your feelings? do you Love
her?...she's a whore for godsakes...and they rent by the hour!

maybe i am not getting the gist here but i think maybe perhaps Blazers is saying....If the guy calls her over it's kinda his game. I respect that.

An analogy would be like this: Say me and Blazers are out and he orders a favorite plate of his food. I say "Fuck yeah" then reach over with my fork at stab some of his food and hoist it into my mouth.

That's fucken rude. I know i hate that shit but mostly females do that to your food. Now if Blazers says hey Bowler try this.. then it's okay.

I can see it as a monger courtesy. But then again maybe i still don't get it.

Its not just a monger credo, its common sense that should have been learned the freshman year of high school. If a guy is with a woman, give him some space and dont interrupt. Let him have his moment. Personally, I get turned off by "sloppy seconds". I like to go out and find my own crew.

I did have sex with "yum yum" on my first go round, but not because I read it off of this board. I did it the good old fashioned random way. I had sex with Janice and asked her if there was anyone else back at the bar. Then I went back and she introduced me to Arlene. Then the cycle repeated and then I got introduced to Yum Yum. She left early because I had to catch a ride to the airport and fly back home. See, thats the way to do it, attack it like a Marine!

Here is how to do it right. Go all out and barfine as many random women as you can possibly handle. Dont worry about abandoning your buddies back at the bar, they wont get lonely. Im sure they will find something to do in a room full of half naked women.

Attitude is everything in front of the ladies. These ladies all live in bunkbeds in some house close by and hang out with each other during the day time. They talk and gossip. So if you act like a dweeb in front of them then thats how they will treat you for the rest of the time in Angeles.

Have fun guys!

Oh, how about an action report on the Wild Orchid Inn? Is the $59-69-79 charge worth paying? I really hate paying that much when there is a room down the road at the Amsterdam for $35. I bring this topic up because I saw the cool glass mirror in the pictures. One of the things I liked back at the regular Orchid, Jasmine wing, was a nice long mirror covering the wall. It made me feel like Randy West. One of the things I hated, though, was the cold tile. Its no fun running barefoot around on tile, I prefer a rug.

Seeing the mirror and the cool wooden headboard, I think I might choose the Wild Orchid. I also saw what looked like a king sized bed in the veranda room pic on their site.

Does anyone know a hotel in AC that has a mirror on the ceiling?

I liked the Wild Orchid Resort, for me the pool made it worthwhile. The configuration of the room (door on one side, big window/sliding glass doors on the other) was better than the room I had at the old Orchid. I liked the balcony ($69 room), and would have loved to try the Jacuzzi room ($79), but both were booked. beds were king sized, the restaurant was excellent (food, not service--they don't have it together yet, but that may be the case all over SEA too). Service in the hotel was good, too--they were trying.

A few bugs needed to be worked out, and I'm sure they will be over the next few months.

Honestly, the price for me seems over what is normally charged in AC. Actually, I dont know if there is a more expensive setup than this one. I think the RA has a room for $150 a night, but thats all that comes to mind.

However, I am going to reserve a room on the Veranda. I like the idea of the mirror on the wall, king sized bed and right by the pool. I could picture myself partying it up on the Veranda or having breakfast each morning. When your back at your job in real life, its those little things that make memories all the better.

Now this is a big hint for the hotel owner of RA or other establishment. Little things like a large mirror on the wall can really bring in business. I would even prefer a mirror on the ceiling. Its cheap details like that that make people keep coming back.

The only important question for me is if they have good matresses now? If so-- awesome!

Well, I just got a reservation for the Veranda room in October. This will be interesting as its ground floor and overlooks the pool. I can just walk right out of the pool and then into my room. There are a lot of possibilities there.

The one item that I believe to be useless is the DVD player. Think about it. I travel thousands and thousands of miles just to watch a DVD??? If you are watching DVDs, then we have to sit down and have a serious discussion. I hope you guys at the Orchid are listening. Dont bother with giving us DVDs. Save your money and just throw in a freebie from one of the ladies.

The DVD player also plays CD's and mp3s.

I found the matresses to be pretty comfortable.

Stateman, you should try to get the veranda room closest to the lobby (room 7?). That is the best one to allow climbing over the rail between the veranda and the pool area--the other two require a little more vertical travel.

The DVD player also plays CD's and mp3s.

I found the matresses to be pretty comfortable.

Stateman, you should try to get the veranda room closest to the lobby (room 7?). That is the best one to allow climbing over the rail between the veranda and the pool area--the other two require a little more vertical travel.