Hey thanks for the report. While I feel bad your trip came in way below your expectations, I think your report has a lot more value than another pom pom waving report.

What can I say $75 uninspired 45 minute sessions with CBJ!!!!!??????? Holy shit that is dissapointing.

Hopefully Fernando made up for it with some good head. $22 for two hours is not bad at all. Oh wait a minute he was just driving you around showing you places.

Was the $133 quote for LT or ST from the Girl of the Month?

Also $81 for a hotel room with no Air Con. Wowee.

I haven't checked Rio prices lately, but I am astonished that you call these amounts cutting corners and getting what you pay for? I think I should quite my bitching the relatively small increases I have had to incur in my SEA backyard.
I would say my budget is about 125-150 a day when I stay in the PI and about 150-175 a day in Jakarta. This is for everything except for airfare. I am curious what you would you say is your average daily expenditures in Brazil? Also, maybe others who spend time in Columbia what are you spending each day?

At the least you would think they would have bi-lingual gals working the reception desk.

sounds to me like a typical case of mismatched "expectations" and expecting a tourist centric venue, when one is not.

Im wondering what happened. All the other trip reports point to a great time, not only with the ladies, but with other things like white water rafting and firing grenade launchers.

Maybe it was just the wrong time of year? You were right in turning back so early. If you cant find the action you desire in a day, then its probably wise to turn back and cut your losses.

Smirker, I appreciate the honest and candid report. I haven't stayed at the mansion, my buddy and I liked exploring on our own. Plus, having a novia over from CTG helped. We actually had a pretty good time exploring MDE, IMO, the massages were where the cuties were. Here the gals were about $40 for about an hour and we found several real cuties at the numerous massage around town.

Nevertheless, I prefer CTG and Cali, a totally different scene more focused on freelancers and casas that fits my style to a T. Lot more GFE's and BBBJs in these two cities if that's important to you, like it is for me. Perhaps you should give Colombia one more chance, another city perhaps.

MX: You kinda know my style, if I go crazy w/ 3 STs a day, I spend on average close to $180-$200 day in CTG or CALI for girls and drinks and food. STs I can get for as low as $30-$60 per pop for the freelancers and the casas (in-house), except LDV where it's closer to $60-$80 for less time and less service IMO. Take-out from casas are often expensive, closer to $80-$100 dollars.

Recently however, I've been more focused on spending time w/my gal friends whom I've been seeing on many trips. Cheaper than the multiple STs. I often give these novias spending money of about $80 bucks to hang w/me all day/night for multiple pops, plus food and lodging.

Bit confused about the bi-lingual girls, the main mansion has 2 girls who speak perfect English, the second mansion has a girl who speaks English, only had a couple of short converstaions with her, so not sure of the level of her English.

I will leave others to answer the remainder, or not, but I certainly agree Medellin is not for everybody.

Hunter

Hmmmm, YMMV comes to mind. I have been to MDE twice, both times at the mansion. The first stay completely ruined me as within 30 minutes of arriving I had one of the hottest girls in MDE in my room. Her picture won me the last quarter 2005 award. She was all that and more, total GFE all the letters. Had a few other girls that trip, all CBJ, some were good some were not. Second trip I spent exclusively with Ana Marie, due to time constraints and I was short on cash. All in all I like MDE and the Mansion, but once again YMMV. Granted I have not been to SEA or RIO yet. I usually monger central and south america except Brazil and also St. Maarten due to my job. I met a fantastic nonpro in the Bogota airport on my way back from MDE and am marrying her in June. I plan on having my bachelor party at the Mansion in April. I hope Radioman is there because he really knows the street scene and I havn't really checked it out yet. I am sorry you had a bad time, Sundays you have to have something arranged ahead of time, this has been stated many times. I can see how you were somewhat misled by the Sunday BBQ thing. That could of happened to anyone including myself. I will make sure I have a plan B ready in case that falls thru. You should have went to Loutrons, MANY quality ladies there!!! Also Cinnamon and Honey. I hear the girls there are BBBJCIM. Once again, sorry your trip sucked. better luck on your next adventure.
Sparky

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I get a little nervous when I read this because I'll be there in 3 weeks. I will be arriving mid week so I'll make sure to line something up on Saturday and Sunday.

I think you are right to point out that Rio and SEA are the best spots. I've been to both as well and I think they are still the best. But I want to go to as many places as possible, so I don't mind trying MDE.

I just need to make my trip activities more carefully.

There are some places where you can just go by yourself and, with little direction, get laid. Southeast asia comes to mind. However, there are other places where its probably best to go with someone experienced or have a guide.

I have not been to MDE, but if I were to go, I would probably go with someone who has previous experience.

Smirker's only problem in life is he got his start in Rio before anyplace else. It's all down hill from there

This title caught my eye as I have read nothing but how good MDE is and for once the pics guys have posted are definitely hot in the posted digital pics.

Good detailed reporting Smirker.
Always interesting to read varying perspectives.

(Message edited by maximus743 on February 28, 2006)

Smirker,

Thank you much for sharing your experience with the board. I am sorry to hear that you did not have a great experience in Medellin. But I do think that you cut you stay in Medellin prematurely. If you read my report you will see that I had a very similar experience as yours the first 2 days I was there in Medellin. I arrived in Medellin on Friday night and had very high expectations, even though I did not stay at the Mansion, but I still had high expectations and my experience was not such. I did contemplate changing my ticket and go to Cali or Cartagena where I had much better experiences on my previous trips. However, I decided to give a few more days to see if things change and things did change starting my 3rd day. After that I had so much fun that I thought how foolish it would have been had I changed my plans and went to Cali or Cartagena.

However since I was not staying at the mansion as I like to do my own stuff and find my own gold I did have a plan in place to meet a lot of non-pros. At the end nothing really materialized with the girls I had plans with but I did meet another non-pro, family oriented lady on a trip to Penol and have been in touch with her since then. I even took a non-scheduled 3 days trip back to Medellin and spent the whole time with my new friend. And she does not speak any English and I don’t speak more than 10 words of Spanish but I had a time of my life.

As many said on this board Medellin is not for everyone. The first couple of days I thought the same thing that Medellin was not for me but things did change for me after a couple of days.

PhD

Smirker: Thanks for your sober perspective of the MDE situation as it affected you. Of course YMMV-- that holds true everywhere-- but I'm headed to MDE for the 1st time in May, and your experiences as related in this thread are worth much more to me that the "pom pom waving" posts, to use Mongerx' phrase.

Sorry things didn't work out for ya buddy.

Little surprised there wasn't more weekend action for you. Also surprised there weren't more guys staying there and that you didn't get a chance to meet the English speaking staff. Must have been an off weekend.

As you have seen from previous posts and photos, the Mansion usually has a bevy of chicas around, especially on the weekends. Not sure what was happening???

As far as th CBJ, I too experienced that phenomenon with many of the girls there. Guess it is a cultural thing or something they have been pounded with to avoid STD's?? Who the fuck knows. I did find a few that were negotiable to BBBJ but it took a couple of sessions with them.

It ain't Rio or Thailand but good times can be had there. Wish yours had been better.

Sandman...as I prepare to post another in my Medellin visit!

QUOTE...."This place totally sucks for me right now and just when I’ve completely had enough the first girl walks through the door. It’s Juliana, their current girl of the month (see their website). Her face is about a 7, but her body is like a 100! Holy crap! I ask her how much she wants and she tells me $300,000($133USD ), now all of sudden I’m getting Rio prices with what I would expect to be more shitty performance/service."

Seems like to me once the ladys know you stay in the Mansion its all over with. Its like a post it on your forhead that states.."Im American take my money"

I have a trip planned to Colombia....and looking at the prices that are being quoted latley are starting to change my mind to Rio were they take it up the ass like champs.

Did you read my trip report back in September?

I gave the Mansion a slight thumbs down in my trip report, and yes the jacuzzi was broken when I was there.

Both Greg and Robert were both great hosts and went out of there way to make my vacation enjoyable. Somebody there should have been able to call up more than one girl for you. I wonder if Robert took the service staff to his new place when he moved out of the Mansion.

Medellin does have a few advantages over Rio if you are traveling from the west coast in both cost and travel time. I have been playing around with giving the Mansion another shot.

Sorry to hear that you did not have a good time in Medellin.

Rio sets the gold standard in South America.

sorry to hear that.

imho, all of colombia seemed very ymmv. knowing some spanish will help with vibing with the girl and getting a good session.

Although i was at 100% in both place, I do feel it's much easier to get bbbj in ctg vs mde (has hotter girls imo). in mde, i had to be more selective. I also noticed that i had to either work for it (part of the fun actually) or negotiate for it in mde, but the reward seemed worth it as the sex was absolutely amazing in both mde and ctg. can't wait to hit cali.

Smirker,

Really sorry to here you had a bad time on your vacation. There is nothing worse than wasting valuable time off from work. You did the right thing by cutting short your losses - if no one is there to show you around, Medellin is very quiet Sunday - Wednesday. There are plenty of girls and activities, but you need to know where to go.

With all due respect to Don Marco, I don’t think this was a typical case of mismatched expectations – the Mansion sells itself as being the ideal place for the novice visitor who doesn’t speak Spanish. All the reports back that up. I’d call that “Detrimental Reliance” more than “Mismatched Expectations”.

Unfortunately, even the best of places drops the ball on occasion and it looks like that’s what happened here. Not intentional I’m sure, but that’s of no consolation to Smirker.

I’m surprised no one has commented on what concerned Smirker the most and the reason he says to stay away. Sharing a roof with strangers who may be engaging in illegal activity is just one of the reasons I don’t like the group concept. Not because I don’t like the guys running the business, not because I’m worried that they are causing prices to go up, but because I don’t want to possibly be held accountable for the behavior of guys I don’t even know.

Imagine there was a large house in New Jersey filled with guys from say Pakistan whose only reason for being there was to screw the local women. Then imagine if the police raided the place (because of a complaint over money, a jealous boyfriend, etc.) one of the guests was found with an underage girl. How would that play out? Would they lock up the one guy, and let the others go, at least without an investigation? I doubt it. How do you think that would play out in Colombia? I would never put myself in a position to find out.

Im curious. You said "the mansion has signs posted throughout the place stating that you are responsible for bringing certain types of people into the mansion." What is the certain type you speak of? What was the illegal activity?

You can be candid, dont be shy. Im sure its not going to shock or offend the church crowd here on Club Hombre.

WS, ok detrimental reliance it is.

Thanks for your report!

I think is very good for the board that people are willing to post negative experiences as well as good ones. In fact I wish that negative stuff were put up more often to get a more balanced view.

Everybody is excited to share the good times but people are a bit more reluctant to share the bad ones.

Thanks for the info!

CTG in 4 weeks...we will see how I fare

Smitker

Im going to Med soon and Im trying to be as prepared as possible. Ive gone through all the mongering reports on CH & various other sites and have compiled a list of Massage Parlors, Strip Clubs, Casas & street girl locations including addresses & phone numbers when possible. Im at this time trying to find a guide for the first few days Im there till I get my bearings. I speak maybe 8 words of spanish and all of them are cuss words so in preperation I have been listening to the first of the Pimsular tapes and im in the process of purching a speaking translator. I plan to carry a pen & tablet with me so I can write down money amounts for negotiations. I dont even know how to say "thats to much how bout 75,000". As a mater of fact I dont even know how to say $75.000. I have even contacted the Mansion and asked them to send me a map in which Ill mark down all the locations I want to go.

Your report has opened my eyes about being as prepared as possible when you go to a destination.

If anyone knows of an English speaking like minded guide please IM me with the info. Or if you can think of anything Ive left out.

Scooby

Monger X, The quoted $133 was for ST.

Thank you very much Wallstreet. Some people can read between the lines, others are just way down the food chain.

smirker, you know those down on the food chain vastly outreproduce those in the upper echilons?



(Message edited by donmarco on March 01, 2006)

Smirker:

Thanks for the compliment(s) in doing my best to take care of you while you were at the Mansion I sincerely do apologize for the Sunday .. As Sundays in Medellin are very slow and there is only 1 known casa (whore house) open.
You were a very nice gy to me and I want to thank you very much for giving my chicks the chocolates and the candles. I hope all is well with you and hopfully hook up in another Monger place.

Take care

$133 for short-time for the Mansion's girl of the month? Kinda hard to argue the Mansion isn't contributing to a sharp rise in prices.

Smirker,

I think most people knew what you were alluding to - they just felt uncomfortable acknowledging it.

DM,

That's true - but I'll take quality over quantity any day of the week.

DM, I'm so far down below you I can't even see you! I hope to enjoy your company again one day at Thumbs Up!

Smirker, I'm down with the plankton If I play my cards right, I'll be down in Rio before I return to Soi 6 ... it very well may be an eye opening mongering experience (hopefully so).

As for my comments about mismatched expectations, I was simply responding to the strip club scene and lack of obvious venues/where to find ladies. I haven't been there, but have been in many non-tourist venues where many of the same challenges exist. Either a lot of research or a trusted guide is needed in most cases.

When I do go, I'll probably pass on the mansion though

WS: your tastes are dead on, so I won't go there. How often are you getting down to Medellin these days?

Smirker, Well I just got back from Medellin today and was reading this thread...I will do a little report here in the next day or 2...But let me tell you this....some of the people here know how i feel about the Mansion....and if you dont know i will give you the short version...The Mansion is a cool place if your new...and its not great for many other reasons...but its all based on personal prefrence, we all know that. Medellin has some of the most beautiful girls i have ever laid eyes on...but understand it takes a little time and investment to get a great return. I will also tell you I never paid 300,000 for short time....unless it was with more than one girl. I look at the girls from The Mansion that are posted on here and they are the same girls from last year...YUCK.

WS,...I agree with you 100%, actually one of my biggest grips about The Mansion was the fact i had people i didnt know all in my business and i just prefer to either be with my buddys i know or just be by myself...since i stopped staying at The Mansion I have seen Medellin from a diffent side and i really like it. I have made some really great friends and meet some incredibly gorgeouos girls that you would never ever see step foot into a place like The Mansion, only because they are not hookers...but they do like to have fun, if you know what i mean. My Spanish still sucks....but i make through just fine. I carry around a pocket dictionary if i need a reference.

I have a personal aversion to spots where you need to burn a "little time and investment" to get a decent BJ. It's a vacation, the general goal is to cram as much fun as possible into the time alloted. Nobody wants to waste a couple of days trying to find decent service- with the caveat here that Smirker's idea of decent service is probably your average termas run in Brasil or maybe a soapie in Thailand. That makes it an even more difficult experience, but my point is not to bash Colombia or to say that Brasil and Thailand are the only two places anyone should go.

Rather, it's that Rio/Sao Paulo and Bangkok/Pattaya and Angeles and a few other similar spots are the exception to the norm when it comes to expectations. Those are all places litterally overrun with working girls, where you can get laid 24x7 practically every day of the year. When you go to those places, it's like standing on a street corner hungry for a steak with one restaurant on each of the four corners - Smith and Wallinsky, The Palm, Ruth's Chris and Morton's. Regardless of which of the four you pick, unless you go in and order a well-done chopped steak, you can't help but have a great meal that's better than what 99.99999% of everyone else will eat that night.

So, you generally need to do two things. One, lower your expecations regarding the ease of finding a top-notch program. Two, in the case of covered BJs or the lack of anal or, heaven forbid, the girl insisting you wear a condom or whatever else you would find "missing" outside of you main hunting grounds, you need to possibly rev down your standards just a little bit. This doesn't mean you go from soapies and termas to banging 50 year old SGs in a cockroach-invested hovel in some 3rd-world shithole, but more likely you settle for a covered BJ at a reasonable price from a pretty girl who puts out pretty good service.

Or, you just keep going to Rio or Pattaya or whichever spot you have found the perfect combination of looks, attitude, service and everything until you grow so tired of it that it's no longer perfect. Then you start someplace fresh, but keeping with my earlier analogy, even though you've grown tired of Ruth's Chris, you should probably stick with one of the other three great restaurants because the lunch buffet special at Sizzler is going to taste pretty shitty to you.

DM - Been down there every other weekend since the beginning of the year. I hope you swing by one time. Got a nice three-bedroom - plenty of room for you.

DJ - Privacy is very important to me - and I much prefer hanging out with the locals - it's helped my Spanish a lot. It's a big city - there's a lot more to it than Poblado.

There seems to be some secrecy safeguarding MDE. The bottom tier sounds pretty lousy to me like the mps and the casas mentioned in other trip reports. But is there any casa in Medellin i.e p4p where you can find top looking girls (3bj or cbj), i understand not on a sun nor on a sat? If all the good looking girls are at the mall, then 99% of CH members and that includes me and I have good Spanish skills have no chance of hitting a single.
For example in Brasil it is not easy to find top talent, it's mostly 6's and 7's but once in a while you hit gold and it always comes from left field.
Also I am quite concerned, I am reading cbj being the norm. And on other trip report by Hugh Grant he mentioned most girls did not dfk with him which I find hilarious as he said it was a great city to monger.

SMIRKER

I am very sorry you had a lousy time in Medellin,I dropped the ball and I take full responsibility for it, and because of it we refunded your money the day after you departed, no questions asked
I will not try to make excuses, except that i was very sick and bed ridden all of Sunday and I relied on certain help that failed, and is no longer with us because of it
So, we are learning from our mistakes and we are working on incorporating a FAQ section to our website to try to address many of the problems you encountered, and from now on we will notify all of our guests with saturdays and sundays arrivals it may be slow and try to prearrange plans

However I feel you did not give Medellin a chance, but you bring a very important point that has been disscused time and time again, and that is Medellin versus other venues

Fortunately, Medellin is not for everybody, you should not try to compare it to Brasil
IMHO people should visit both and then decide which one they like better,
I for one like Medellin better, and about 3 out every 10 of our guests agree and come back several times and 1 out of 20 buy property here

So the fact that not everybody likes it here makes me very happy, since this tells me this will never be overrun by foreigners, and contrary to popular believe, Greg and I are not interested in seeing Medellin turn into another Costa Rica, we are not in this only for the money, we are both retired and do not have to do this, but we love doing it and is fun,of course a profit while doing something we love would be the perfect situation for us

Again, I deeply apologize and if you feel you still want to experience Medellin at some time, we will offer you a free one week stay at the Mansion

let us know

Smiker

You can't beat that, I called the mansion, the other day and talked to a girl named Marisol. She was so helpfull & delightfull that we got to talking and I lost track of time for around an hour. I have only talked to the staff on the phone, but they have been very accomidating towards all my wishes. Iam looking forward to my first vacation ever, and feel if they are the same way in person then Im in for the time of my life.

Ive also talked to Lina and Greg on the phone and both been very pleasent and very helpfull. When I had a question Robert e-mailed me and gave me his private number to call if I had any problems.

Its a shame that your trip turned out like it did but it looks like they are bending over backwards to make up for it. I know that if the same thing happened to most places here in the US you would not get the same satisfaction.

BIG UPS to the Mansion Staff!!!

Scooby

Smirker I think has a problem, maybe every where he goes !!
I hope my partner Medellin Bob doesnt mind me having my say while sailing the high seas of the Carrabean.
Anybody wants to know about Venezeuela (Caracas, Puerta la Cruz, Isla Tortuga, Los Roques, Bonaire, Curacau y Aruba, let me know.

First of all the Mansion y El Castillo is not a baby sitting service, we do our best to give the best advise we have at that moment, if we try and organise a girl to go to the airport to pick somebody up, we try our best, if the girl does not turn up to go to the airport then what are we to do, most of our girls do turn up when asked.I just seen one of out airport pickup girls here in Bonaire working. (Lina)

With Fossy Doss, I guess you should stay in USA and go to the Strip Bars there or even go back to Brazil, Colombia is not for every body but I make it my home and its does me good !!!
Most people visit Fossy Doss while they are in MDE, its now has most of the girls from La Isla as it has closed down.

Roberto, taxi driver organised by the Mansion, he must be new since I left for holidays, maybe his name will change to Fernando, you were ripped of, he only charges 15,000 pesos per hour.
Breakfast is served from 7.00am to 11.00am from our maid, every day and as far as information goes, in every room or when guests arrive they are given (if not in their room) a leaflet on resturannts, shopping malls, whore houses, strip bars etc, this idiot probley carnt read or write spanish and english. The Mansion is 50 meters form Avendia Poblado, the main through street in Medellin other than the main north/south highway and a block and a half away from Oviedo Mall which has many resturants and fast food places.
The only day we do not have a bi-lingual person at the Mansion is on a Sunday but Im usally there.

No girls hanging around the Mansion !!! I hope not, only girls invited by me, Medellin Bob and or guests are invited to the Mansion, its not a whore house and never will be, I dont know where you get your info from, when we have parties, which are most Sundays and any other time and excuse and its not set in law, we invite selected girls whether, non pro's, semi pro's or pros, we do not set prices, its between the people involved.
We will never make one pesos out of the girls or even in the future, if you find a girl that says we take a cut, please ask them to go to a Public Notary and sign her name and then we will go a see our Lawyer.
Smirker you got ripped of again with Johanna, she only charges 150,000 per hour as I have been told, she doesnt charge me anything !!
Jacuzzi is working, I just haft to be there to turn it on.
Smirker, you want to here what Kickboxer told me about you in a e-mail, you want to read it.
About the signs, we now have a night armed security guard, he checks girls I.D.'s for there age etc, you can make it out which way you want to but the world will not blow up tomorrow, maybe the next day.

Aussie Greg

So, Bob is the good cop on the Mansion team and Greg is the bad cop? After reading Bob's post my thoughts were "nice guy, maybe I'll take a look at Mansion if I'm ever in Medellin." After reading Greg's post, I think I'll pass and even encourage others to do the same. This Greg guy sounds like a complete asshole and if the lit at Mansion is written the same way Greg wrote his post here, no wonder Smirker couldn't figure anything out.

Hey Greg, here's a business hint - never badmouth your customers. There are only a few thousand guys on CH who might drop in on Colombia some day, and knowing that one of the owners of the place is an asshole is certainly important information to know.

Cat you're way outta line. Aussie and Bob both go out of their way to be hospitable, and assist their guests.

If you want termas, go to Rio - and you'll get traffic, crime, dirty streets, and so much noise you can hardly sleep at night w/out horns honking.

If you want more girls than you can ever fuck, go to SEA, and get overrun with beggars, heat, stink. Reset your body clock 9-12 hours, lose sleep, and learn a language that doesn't even use our alphabet.

If you're looking for an upscale city that has great weather, fine dining, beautiful views and very hot women, Medellin fits the bill. El Poblado is nicer than Buckhead in Atlanta IMHO. If you go to relax, enjoy yourself, and create a good time, you'll find it all in Medellin.

Smirker sounds like someone who needs/wants/likes someone like Don from RioTrips to solve his problems. The Mansion doesn't offer this service. It is an upscale bed and breakfast. Period. Anything more than that is a courtesy service.

And if you want Termas to help you overcome the obstacles of finding good women - go to Rio. Or get some game and try Medellin.

I had plenty of BBBJ's in Medellin. YMMV. But no woman even THINKS of telling me how things will be 'cuz of how i carry myself. My way or the highway is the underlying principal. Works too.

Medellin ain't gonna hand it to ya.

My point was the owner of the place comes on Hombre and bashes a member for commenting on his experience. Ripping customers is always bad business.

Wow Aussie Greg's post has got to be 10 times more damaging to the Mansion's rep than Smirker's report.

It's incredible that a proprietor would absolutely rip a customer like that in front of thousands of their best target audience. Sounded to me like Smirker had a fair amount of legitimate concerns and problems. Aussie Greg addressed these with insults sprinkled we don't gaurantee certain things and we just fucked up with no excuses with respect to other things. Ouch simply the most brutal post I have read on Homdre in a long time.

In person Greg never came across that way with me. It's almost like a Bi-Polar reply to smirker's issues.

As Cat said Good cop Bad cop. I know I was critical of DJanselmo and his report when he said some things about the Mansion and Greg. At this point I would have to start to belive what he said was the truth.

RG.

Americans never cease to amaze me. I read Gregs response and did not see what Cat or Mongerx saw. We're talking about a guy from Australia who opened an upscale B&B in Colombia. You go there, rent a room and enjoy Medellin. Anything else you get beyond your room and breakfast is service above and beyond.

I read Smirkers' report and saw where Robert went out of his way to 'host' a guest around town. Smirker didn't find what he liked so he LEFT after two days. Then he posts that a B&B didn't give him the turnkeyopendoorandlandonchicas24/7 experience. Hello?

So why do Americans amuse me so much? An Australian moves to Colombia and opens a B&B that fully complies with the laws of Colombia, and then an American says the Australian isn't conforming to American laws and business standards? Very well and good but newsflash guys - COLOMBIA is NOT AMERICAN, and neither is Greg.

Look at www.ageofconsent.com and determine for yourself what the laws are in Medellin and in Australia for that matter. Greg isn't violating HIS LAWS OR THOSE OF THE USA. So get over it.

In an effort to make the Mansion safer for American guests, Greg has a guard there to see that noone breaks the laws. Kudos to him.

For Smirker to complain that Medellin wasn't the nonstop whorehouse like guys such as Cubanut et al may have made it out to be is one thing. But the rest of this is just nonsense.

It's a B&B

In Medellin.

The rest is up to you.

That was cold.Irishlover how do you explain one owner coming on here trying to provide good customer service and then another just blowing all that to pieces.Nothing wrong with writing about your bad experiences, at least we can learn what not to do.

I will still go to Medellin this year,but definitely not at this Mansion.Mr Aussie try taking some lessons from your partner in customer service.You just lost some potential customers.

Irishlover thanks for clarifying that for us Americans.Now I know without a shadow of a doubt that I will stay away from the Mansion.

obrigado/gracias(lol).

EE2002

The name is IrisROVER, not Irishlover.

But show me a bonnie red haired irish virgin and you can call me whatever you want

Oops my bad.Sounds good though,LOL.

This has turned out to be one of the better threads in quite a while. Each post brings out a different view of the same original story. It reminds me of the group of blind men describing an elephant. As long as things don't get too bitter I really like this whole discussion.

Too often people get an image of some place based on a trip report and expect their own experiences to be the same or better. My biggest disappointment, or realization, has been that an older overweight guy who can't score in the US, should not expect any difference elsewhere unless he is forking out the dough. Trip reports where guys talk about picking up, or being picked up, by cute young non pros everywhere they went always make me want to ask how old they were and what they looked like. As Athos said, 99% of us here are not going to walk into the local mall and suddenly be surrounded by gorgeous women demanding our attention.

Medellin sounds like a great place and I have it on my list. But I also understand that it is not going to be the no brainer that Rio, or even TJ, is. And there is a very real possibility that I will end up overpaying or finding little without a guide and/or time spent exploring the area.

I still haven't made up my mind about the Mansion even after some pretty frank comments from both sides of the counter. For a first time visitor who wants a little extra help it sounds like a good place even if Smirker probably feels different. I don't think 2 days, one of them being a Sunday, is enough to fully judge either the hotel or the area. But I also can see why he decided to call it quits and move on.

She loves me, she loves me not.

If an American goes to Medellin and checks into a hotel, finds a girl of legal age, and brings her in to his room for sex, that is legal.

If a Mexican or Englishman checks into the room next to you and brings a woman of legal age into his room, and she happens to not comply with the age imposed upon you as an American in Medellin, is there a problem?

Incidently, the same argument applies to Brazil, where the age of consent is similar to Colombia. What goes on in your bedroom is your responsibility. And you should always obey the laws that govern you.

The Mansion is no different than any other hotel in Medellin. Follow your laws and you'll be fine.

Irishrover; Please remember that this is an American web site and that we play by American rules, and that means we don't talk about girls under 18 in ANY manner on this site.

RG.

"If an American goes to Medellin and checks into a hotel, finds a girl of legal age, and brings her in to his room for sex, that is legal."

Relying on that statement will get an American citizen jail time.

Irishrover:

You are completely misinformed about American law when it pertains to having sex with any person under the age of 18 in a foreign country.

Under the USA Child Protect Act of 2003, any US citizen that travels abroad and engages in sex with a minor (under the age of 18) is subject to criminal prosecution in the US.

It doesn't matter what the age of consent is in the foreign country.

Dispensing legal advice is never a good idea. I would hate to see some guy in court using as his defense "but this Irish guy on the internet told me it was okay".