Everybody,
Many mongers have my e-mail, and many have written and spoken to me about condomless sex, amongst other things. It's a very important issue. And now that TJhombre has a potential financial stake in this site. I think it's time to let the shit hit the fan, why? because this site won't be just for learning anymore, so I think we all need to do as much learning as we can while we can!

Not the politicaly correct sugar coated learning, but real life TJ street learning.

Tjhombre,
I truly believe you started this sight to help the mongers, and I know your not Larry Flint and if this site works you’ll be sitting on a beach in Acapulco.
however, 99% of it has to do with non-important stuff. Maries new plastic tits, etc. However, the really important stuff. Isn’t stressed enough. Yes, you have a men’s health area and we talk a little about safety. But, there’s one of the most important issues that are not politically correct to talk about. If you’re truly interested in HELPING mongers, you’ll leave my post up.


I just read your Documentation, I’m happy your starting to get a grasp on where this sit is going. However, through my years of very hard core mongering. I’ve met literally over one thousand mongers. And have fucked over a thousand gals in the zona too. Actually the numbers may be much higher then a thousand, because in 1996 and 1997, I logged every different gal I had and I have 142 NEW gals in 1996 and 136 new gals in 1997. And I started in 1981 and I’ve slowed down a bit, but I have never stopped. When I first started I was watching many programs about Homosexuals, and how they lived there lives in the closets because society didn’t accept them. Then finally they felt so much better now that everybody knows they’re gay and they don’t have to live with the guilt. However, in reality most do still have the guilt. Why? Because it’s not sociably acceptable.
After talking to many mongers for many years, I’ve found most mongers are quite ashamed of their secret lives. Not because their having consensual sex with women. But because for the first time in their lives there experimenting with their bodies. Their not sugar coating their lives. Nearly EVERY monger out there knows that they have sex without condoms, underage girls, many use illegal drugs, LOTS!, They get drunk and drive home, they do many things their ashamed of that are not considered normal. And because of that they don’t want to be a part of us. They won’t accept our advice, why? Because anybody mongering is obviously doing things that are illegal like me and I don’t want to be reminded of my DARK side.

When I started in the zona, most street gals didn’t care if you used a condom or not. I never used a condom in the AB. And almost all the street gals were under age. The cops didn’t come by rounding them up taking them to jail for not having a health card.

But in the late 80’s people attitudes started to become more conservative, the military didn’t want their men to go to the zona. US cops started to check for ID’s. You wore 3 condoms, etc.… But I still held on to my BAD habits every chance I got. But when I spoke to a new monger and he told me he just had an underage gal. I would skald him to no end. Or another would say he just had a gal with no condom. I would nearly kill him. They would feel ashamed and would feel like an outcast too. After all, catching HIV was a death sentence. I was the pot-calling kettle black. I felt bad, but I was saving lives! Until one day I was speaking to my Ex wife Homo brother about how he shouldn’t be a Homo. And it literally dawned on me; I was just like him. He just quite literally told me about the secret lives of Homo’s. Bathhouses, lots of really weird shit. And when he spoke to others that shared his perverted views that he was suppressing a big weight was lifted off his shoulders. And he felt free.

I’m here to tell everybody, if you have had unprotected sex in the zona, almost all other mongers have had it too.
If you have had sex with underage whores, well, almost all other mongers have had it too.
If you have caught anything or suspect you have anything, Well, almost all other mongers have had it too.
If you’ve had sex with whores on drugs. Well, all of us have done that too.


It’s not the end of the world. What your doing is NORMAL. However, you must use a little common sense. Number one is doesn’t listen to the other mongers that just say, “just say no to unprotected sex” because that isn’t the real world. They’re just driving themselves and you into their little secret world feather away.

If you want to know how I stay clean and halfway sane. I read tips of how not to catch STD’s on gay web sits. It’s was quite literally by accident, but there’s a thousand very common sense suggestions and facts about how to catch HIV. There mode is, if you know how to get it, you should know how not to get it. Homo’s don’t us condoms. So they should know. Yes their stupid, etc. But you don’t either, so shut up.

Yes, I know Tjhombre can say, “Read the Homo sight if you don’t want STD’s” but there’s something psychological about telling the mongers we've all shared your secret desires and we’re here to help and let you know your not alone…

I will start to post perodicaly how to help protect yourself since some of you occasionly have condomless sex.

No I'm not a Dr. and neither are the Homo's that give this advise. But it may help save your life. And like a Dr. I'll do anything to save a persons life.


Westfargo…

Everybody,
I do occasionaly have condomless sex, but I never take drugs and usually don't drive drunk. Just to set the record straight! As it goes for YOUNG women. Well, you know me. The first thing I ask is the age! Over 40 and below 40 * 2 -62 are the best ages...

Westfargo....

hi westfargo

( over a thousand girls )
next to Wilt Chamberlin - your my idol

keep on fucking em

i am calling Guinness book of world records

take care
milkman

( the milkman has to milk over 900 more to catch up to you )

Westfargo, I heard the key to avoiding STD's is to do it standing up with one leg up in the air. Is this true?

BTW, loved that shirt Friday night. REALLY!

Porker,
You almost got it right... To avoid Chlamydia you lift your right leg. To avoid Gonorrheae you lift your left leg. To avoid Herpes you sqeeze your right balls while singing Camp Town Follies. To avoid HIV you don't have sex... (prog)

I have never had condomless sex in TJ nor do I lust it.

I have used drugs before down there.

I have never had an underage girl - at least they claimed to be 19 or above and I have no way to prove them liars.

To be blunt WF - I think condom use versus no condom is not all that big of a difference in sensation. Why risk it? Its not all that great. Its not like you are going to have a more intense orgasm - at least not for me.

To each his own,

Metalboots

Serious question! If a monger gets HIV from a chica due to condomless vaginal entry, at what point did he get it? Was it during the first second of entry, during his thrusting, or from the "backwash" after he orgasmed?

Similar question regarding the chica. When does she get HIV from the monger?

A Hoser and a poser kind of guy,

Out-of-Towner

I fucked many gals in the zona and in the US without a rubber. Usually only allnighter type of gals. In the zona that is.

I have a question. Most of my friends are like me. And fucking in the zona is a VERY risky adventure. However, I don't have HIV and as far as my friends go. I don't think they have it either. We sort of deserve it. How does souther Africa get to have up to 35% of it's population infected with the HIV virus. They must be cutting their pussies and cock with rasors and fucking and drinking the blood.
Magic johnson said he had fucked many many women and he got it. (Wake up call) However, he also fucked his wife to me many many times and came in her too. And she's clean. I know it's luck of the dice. But those Africans really have super bad luck, or their all but fucking.
Like I said, the fags say the only way you can prevent HIV is to find out how it's pread and do the opisit. I wonder what the Africans are doing wrong. Or manybe it's genetics or the moskitos bite their cocks and then they have sex?

Does anybody have any idea?

Westfargo...

Don't have condomless sex with working girls. It's very foolish. It will not make one bit of difference how many other people don't get HIV if you get HIV.

TJhombre,
Actually Condomless sex doesn't prevent HIV.
With ANY physical contact there's a chance.

The government offical stance is "Abstinence" Or zero SEX!

That's one reason we're all hipocrits.

Westfargo...

TJhombre,
Actually sex with a Condom doesn't prevent HIV.
With ANY physical contact there's a chance.

The government offical stance is "Abstinence" Or zero SEX!

That's one reason we're all hipocrits.

Westfargo...

This is bullshit. Wearing a condom greatly reduces the risks. Screwing a whore with no rubber is like playing russian roulette.

Kendricks

TJHombre, please pardon me, but THIS ENTIRE DISCUSSION IS IN CLEAR VIOLATION OF THE BOARD FAQ. This discussion in effect promotes activity that is VERY unsafe, even though it may be legal.

WF, you constant advocacy of condomless sex en La Zona is both disrespectful and potentially harmful to our ENTIRE community. It takes only ONE guy to introduce an STD to the community, and we all fall into higher risk. IMHO, you advocate the activity by talking about how many times you've done it, and to me, this is irresponsible behavior of the highest order.


StrikeEagle

TJHombre, please pardon me, but THIS ENTIRE DISCUSSION IS IN CLEAR VIOLATION OF THE BOARD TOS. This discussion in effect promotes activity that is VERY unsafe, even though it may be legal.

WF, you constant advocacy of condomless sex en La Zona is both disrespectful and potentially harmful to our ENTIRE community. It takes only ONE guy to introduce an STD to the community, and we all fall into higher risk. IMHO, you advocate the activity by talking about how many times you've done it, and to me, this is irresponsible behavior of the highest order.


StrikeEagle

WF has also mentioned in the past being STD positive.
So he shows absolutely no respect to anyone.
Complete freak...plays with words.
Kendricks is 100% correct.

1. A latex condom, properly used, GREATLY reduces the chance of transmitting HIV. A study done in Nevada showed with hundreds of thousands of acts of intercourse USING a latex condom, there were NO cases of HIV transmission.

2. Culture has something to do with it. Simple question: do you like it best when the gal gets wet during foreplay and sex? I do. That's cultural. In Africa any sign of wetness on the part of the woman is considered terrible. Women use drying agents - sometimes even sand - to absorb any wetness and keep themselves dry during intercourse. A natural result is increased friction, and an increase in the tearing of both the vaginal walls and the skin on the penis. Thus, a greater chance of HIV being transmitted.

3. The statement "with ANY physical contact there is a chance" is simply wrong. There MUST be an exchange of body fluids.

Curious,
On your 3rd point I think you're mostly correct. You can still get crabs even though you use a condom. I know many don't consider these pesky critters to an STD but they can be a problem... On your other points - well taken.

WestFargo,
You should consider yourself lucky and not the norm.

... (prog)

hi kendricks

i agree 100 percent

i am 100 percent safe
i always were condoms and i am talking about non zona girls

so you can imagine if i was to poke a club girl
damm straight i am gonna use protection

i have done only 3 club girls all last year
all with protection

why risk fucking a girl without a condom in the zona - you might like the feeling but is 30 minutes worth your life ?

no

use condoms - please
if not - you are not just risking your life but other mongers and chicas too

milkman

Progman:

To clarify, I was referring to HIV transmission.

Agreed...

Curious sed:

"A study done in Nevada showed with hundreds of thousands of acts of intercourse USING a latex condom, there were NO cases of HIV transmission."

Bad science.

It is possible that noone in "the study" had HIV to begin with(the providers are all checked routinely). It is also possible that HIV wouldn't have been transmitted even if condoms hadn't been used - but "the study" didn't check for that... heaven forbid that "the study" would actually show that there was an insignificant chance of HIV spread from condomless sex... but then, we will never REALLY know, will we?

Now, if you had said the study ALSO included hundreds of thousands acts of condomless sex - involving a similar cross-section of clients/providers(fuckin-A bubba), then that would really be a scientific study.

I don't doubt that condoms help buttfuckers from getting AIDS, but what is the REAL story regarding hetrosexual vaginal sex?

It is like the question; "How many bites does it take to get to the Tootsie-Roll center of a Tootsie Pop?"... The World may NEVER know...

There has been studies on couples with one partner infected with HIV in the early days.
Couples using condoms, no partner got infected. Couples not using condoms, some partners got infected, some not.
That was a study for a period of several months.

Diego, cases like Magic Johnson and Tommy Morrison (heavyweight boxer) show that heterosexual condomless sex is risky with respect to HIV, there's just no denying it. Abrasions on the penis, plus its ability to 'suck in' fluids (i've heard it likened to a vacuum cleaner) mean if she's got it, you certainly have a good chance of getting it too. Condoms prevent the above two scenarios.

If you take up parachuting, please use a parachute

You can say whatever you want. If your in the zona you are ingaging in risy behavor. Don't invite disaster. But know you probably will get something some day.
Someone look this up on the internet. But a study done a few years ago with monkeys that were infected with HIV, the monkeys were many 100 of times more likely to get HIV through oral contact. ie(Giving head, tooth problem, sweat dripping in your lips mouth during sex) Condom reduces the risk greatly, but not intirly. And plus I was just with 3 mongers the other night I was talking to them about this subject. And all 3 say they ingage in unprotected sex quite often. I won't name names. But, I think many mongers are in deniel... I don't care if you do or don't. The fact is ther're many mongers that do. And I'm here to tell them their not alone. Period. Yes, wearing a condom feels good. But I love to get head. And I love to CUM in a gals mouth and have her swallow it. I don't go with any gal that doesn't give me a condomless BJ. Period. I don't know why. But I like to know that my bodly fluids are inside a women body. That may seem bazzar, but ther're some men that find that injoyable and I'm one.

Westfargo...

AIDS is a terrible way to die. I have seen two persons go thru it and it was extremely ugly. If you do not have responsibilities to other people, financial and emotional, you are unusual.

The virus has demonstrated the ability to mutate against every known drug cocktail. The drug cocktails fail over long periods of time and cause miserable side affects until that occurrs. At a pandemic level, the disease appears to be strengthening again at this time. You can not afford Magic Johnson's level of health care.

From everything that I have read the disease can spread thru hetrosexual vaginal intercourse quite easily without condoms. At this time the infection rates are relatively low in the US and Latin America. They are much higher in Africa and Southeast Asia. It's a small planet.

I believe the only thing special about Magic Johnson's health care is that he has forgone the "standard" toxic treatments that are a GUARANTEED death sentence. "HIV positive" does not seem to be a death sentence.

This is a very big subject...

Magic Johnson is not not a good example of a heterosexual getting AIDS. He obviously is not telling the whole truth about his activities. He did hundreds or even thousands of women. He was into everything. Maybe he did some transexuals. One of the highest risks of getting aids is unprotected anal sex. That is why homosexuals are so prone to get it.

Having protected sex lowers your risk of troubles considerably. I don't think anyone can dispute that. Not using a condom is like playing with a bomb. My main concern is getting the more common diseases such as Herpes and warts. Those two diseases along with many others are nasty ones to deal with.

It is already risky doing our TJ hobby. Why make it any more risky? It would be like a race car diver not wearing a seat belt.

Everybody,
I just spoke to Roger, he said these posts are usless. Why? Although, many mongers arn't using condoms, non have gotten HIV. And believe me. I would have know about it. After 20 years here, I've never seen any cases. I'm sure some gals have HIV. But until I have 100% positive proof. Then I guess it doesn't exists in the zona. That doesn't suprise me. The police patty wagon every night at about 2:00AM loads all the gals up if they don't have health cards. Health cards are no guarantee of not having HIV. But it sure beats some of the skanks I meet in San Diego...

Westfargo...

WF, Roger is right...all of your posts are "useless". Now...this was the FIRST informative post you've written!

WF, maybe you missed the thread about Jacqueline - a very pretty sg who stands by the Monaco Bar. A very well-connected zona visitor has it on good authority (2 highly placed people) that she is HIV+. I saw her get busted about a month ago, probably no card. Then magically she's back on the street in a few days ... bogus card/exam perhaps? She's very pretty, an AB quality girl. Maybe some guy would just be dying to do a non-condom session with her for a bunch of $$$. I bet she wouldn't turn it down. Kinda funny, i used the word dying didn't I?

Well I have been in ZN for 2 years, I have known of only 1 case of HIV positive. Chica was known to do everything bareback. Amiga of an amiga, retired after positive test.

Everybody has a friend of a friend that caught something. I'm only intrested in the facts. I totally ignore roomers. Especially in Mexico and in the zona. They LIE so much. You have to live in Mexico for a while to understand how much they lie. I have some friends in Acapulco. Call them and ask them how much they lie. Plus he's a wealth of information too. Jeff B. at 74-82-33-22, I use reference to let you guys know that this is Mexico and I don't have to make things up. It's a fucked up place, shit litterly HAPPENS in Mexico.

Roger was doing this gal named Faviloa in the zona for years. Your tipical street whore that was rased in TJ. The worst kind. She would always ask for tips etc. Roger would tell her, I know what your trying to do, and I'm not your tipical American, so please don't ask. One day her friend said. Roger, Faviola is sick and she's dieing. Please donate some money. Roger said, no I want to see the body. They said, she's in the morgue. We came back two day later. I'm serious, remember, Faris Bulers day off when they were passing around the plate for money for his operation. That's what the Mexicans were doing. I actually saw Americans putting money in the plate. Roger felt so bad, he said, those fucking Mexicans. Their probably lieing. But I can't help it. He almost started to cry. I didn't give any money. He was devistated. He new it was a lie, but he knew her so well and all the shit the Mexicans do to play on everybodys emotions to get a few extra dollars. It was too much for ROger. Roger and I two days later went to the Morgue, and there was a photo of Faviola. There was a donation plate too. Him and I put $5 each in it.
6 months later Roger and I were walking on Revolution and there was Faviola. Roger said, Faviola! What happened? Everybody thought you were dead. She explaned that sometimes when gals leave TJ, other gals and the Morgue will fake her death to get money out of people. She said everybody made a fortune except for me. She said, Roger do you have $5 for lunch. ROger said, yes. But he said I want to fuck you. She said, OK tonight at 9:00Pm naturally she never showed up and we haven't seen she since...

Westfargo...

WestFargo,

Back to that study with monkeys you were writing about... "How do you teach a monkey to give head?" Just curious

... (prog)

Progman,

It's a matter of YMMV.....your monkey may vary

Red,

Leave it up to you to come up with that one... funny! ... (prog)