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By Westfargo on Monday, June 11, 2001 - 09:59 am:  Edit

This is an artical I cut out of the Press-Enterprise, Monday June 11, 2001 page A9.
Think of this when you pay the gals $100's of dollars for a fuck!

Poverty:
About 16% of the population live on less then $1 a day.
"Birthday? Christmas? We on't celebrate those, Said Martinez, 34 We just thank god were OK.
Martinez is one of the more than 40 million people in Mexico who live on less than $2 a day for each family member. This is how most of the human specias lives.
The World Bank says that roughly 60 of the world's 6 billion people live on less than $2 a day.
The fact that she has a job but lives in extreme poverty isn't unusual. The same is true for many people in the nation of 100 million (91 million WF) Where the minimym wage, which varies regionally, tops out at about $3.50 a day.
Farm laborers often get just $1 or $2 a day. ie(80% of the Tropical gals, WF) One key to survival is that $2 goes a lot further in Mexico than it does in the United States. in season, many fruits and Veg. In Mexico sell for less than 10 cents a pound.
The Martinez's family's absic diet consists of beans, rice, and tortillas, plus fruits and veget.
They wash their clothes in a bucket the back yard. But they seem remarkable clean.
The poor work extraordinarily long hours.

There's a lot more! But you get the picture.
And they marry and get pregnant from guys that make a $1 a day. And here you are paying $100 for 30 minutes. $1 for 30 is too much. I've been to Culican. Nearly all the gals in the Chevellas and Tropical the day before coming to TJ had lived in grass huts with Zero education.

Westfargo...

By Aardvark on Monday, June 11, 2001 - 01:33 pm:  Edit

Thought you were leaving this board????

By Shy_Guy on Monday, June 11, 2001 - 02:46 pm:  Edit

C'mon now, this is actually relevant stuff, and at least he has some type of printed reference to back him up.

Shouldn't he be allowed to post something?

Of course, I am not sure how he determined that 80% of the Tropical girls are in the $2 or less a day crowd. But at least he marked it clearly as his own editorial comment.

I don't buy the grass hut thing though. Dirt floor, sure.

By Innocent on Monday, June 11, 2001 - 05:28 pm:  Edit

I've been there the floors are definitely dirt. The roofs are not grass but thatched palms and the walls are mud or tin.

Don't let these sluts take you for a ride, unless there're on top of course. As far as education you don't need a degree to "speak into the mike'"

I met a rodeo guy one time down in the zone. He had an interesting saying he shared with me and I would like to share it now with all of you.
Yeeha, Baja, bore 'um out!!!!

I'm not much of a rodeo fan but some how this simple cowboy's words of wisdom are still with me today

Westfargo, thank you for your timely journalistic contribution and reporting. Fuck these sluts!!!

Mr Innocent

By Westfargo on Monday, June 11, 2001 - 08:46 pm:  Edit

Innocent,
I go to Culican, and all the other cities in Sinaloa and fuck them raw for you guys. It's funny. Most guys will blow $300 in one night. But they can fly to Culican, Mochis, Guacbe, Topolobambo for $225 R/T $8 a night for hotel. And see for themself's how absolutly incredealby poor they are. What I'm saying is that. And everybody listen up. AMERICANS upset the natural balance of Mexico. If the US wasn't here. 90% of the gals would be with there families, and why are they here? $100 for 30 minutes! When yesterday they were making $1 a day. And in Culican everything is 1/5 the price as TJ...

By Westfargo on Monday, June 11, 2001 - 09:06 pm:  Edit

MORE OF THE ARTICLE:

Incredibly enough, about 16% o fMexicans live on even less then Martinez and her family: about $1 a person per day, often in the countryside. One difference between $1 per person a day and $2 a day is that the Hernandezes are struggling to buy crayons and construction paper to keep the eldest of their three children in kindergarten. And although it's hard, Martinez can come up with $1 for a child to see a doctor at a public clinic and for Raul, who has been having nightmares, to see a government psychologist now and then. She says buying medicine is even tougher, though. The Hernandezes have no stove or refrigerator, no radio or TJ. They sleep on straw mats on the dirt floor. Like the Martinezes, they now get water out of a hose. When asked about her hopes and dreams, Jeronima hernandez just stared. After a long pause, she said, "I don't know. Maybe my children can finish primary school. Maybe they'll go to junior high."


The Mexican government collected $300 billion dollars in taxes last year. With 91 million people, and very very little inferstructure to maintain. Where did the extra money go? Asks columnists for the Guatamuc, Mexico cities 3rd largest paper. The US government colected $1.2 trillion in taxes last year. With 275 million and the largest most advanced and costlyest, millitary and inferstructure in the world. If you do the math, the Mexican government collected, dollar adjusted. 4 times the amount of money. The US had a 230 billion surplus, Mexico has an ajusted, $3.5 billion defecit. We don't have Welfare, Millitary, Roads, like the Americans! Where did the money go? Asks the paper.
An other paper in TJ, set a prize up for any body that can tell how much money the Mexican government spent internally and externally. And 10 other very basic questions that any democrocy should have made public. They will give a prize of $10,000 to anybody that can answer all the questions. There were only 2 of the questions that were answered half way. So they gave $1000 to each person.
The WTO rated Mexico as the 3rd most correpted government in the world in the year 2000. Nigeria has less correption then Mexico!

Give those gals, $50 for 30 minutes. *&#*)0(0#*0 0(*#$ 9(6&7667...

Real juicy stuff later!!!

Westfargo...

By Innocent on Monday, June 11, 2001 - 10:38 pm:  Edit

Westfargo,

I definitely am in agreement with you. These chicks deserve to get reamed at discount prices.

Anywhere you go in the world and I've definitly been ALL OVER. Decent working girls from good families consider whores lazy and low class and dirty at the least. Thank God for those lazy, filthy cunts.

What would sex addicts like ourselves do if not for them. They are a commodity. They have placed themselves out on the open market and with the assets come the liabilities for us and them.
This after all is the flesh trade.

They suck and I love it. Don't get soaked and over pay in the process.

In ancient times the geishas and conquebines in Asia where skilled in art, poetry, massage, cooking musical instruments and song besides being expert between the sheets.

These slut bangin' whoe's are a far cry from delivering complete satisfaction as were their predecessors.

In love with these chicas, a relationship? Give me a fuckin" break. The game is over when your money"s gone. Fuckin' duh!!!

Westfargo, I'm glad your still posting. Keep injecting reality. Most people don't like the real truth. These days it's not very popular.

your post are some of the most real on this board.

Mr. Innocent

By Explorer8939 on Tuesday, June 12, 2001 - 09:31 am:  Edit

WestFargo:

Given how poor they are in Sinaloa, how come the chicas charge so much in the bars down there?

By Explorer8939 on Tuesday, June 12, 2001 - 09:52 am:  Edit

WF:

Total revenues for the Mexican government in 1998, including oil revenues, were $60 billion, not $300 billion.

By Eunuch on Tuesday, June 12, 2001 - 10:38 am:  Edit

Explorer,

Can you name a source on that. Was it one of the bar girls, or what ?

Eunuch

By Explorer8939 on Tuesday, June 12, 2001 - 03:25 pm:  Edit

Naaah, I just searched in Google.

By Eunuch on Tuesday, June 12, 2001 - 08:03 pm:  Edit

Explorer,

If there's one thing I like about you it's that your responses to potential "flames" are always straight and level.

I'm almost convinced you write some posts for the sole purpose of receiving flames just so you can set an example...on how to diffuse them.

By Westfargo on Tuesday, June 12, 2001 - 11:57 pm:  Edit

Explorer8939,
The Mexican GDP esimates are for the year 2000. 6.474 thousand billion pesos. Or at 9.1 pesos per dollar. 700 billion dollars. Go into Spanish Yahoo. Goole is old shit. Remember, too, Comparing Mexico to the US is like comparing apples to oranges. Mexico OWNS all the OIL, and most all Colleges, Health industry too. The Mexican govenment just about owns and receives reveus from everything. And taxes there are higher then the US too. Those are considered GDP revenues too. It's doesn't matter, any way you slice it you don't come up with peanus. That's way the Mexican government is considered the 3rd most corrept country in the world.

It's a fucked up place.

One monger wrote, if it's so poor down there. Then why do the gals charge $100 for 30 minutes in resort towns.
To the expert mongers, we laugh. However, this monger and many others have never ventured from the little suger coated turest areas.

There's places in Africa that American book safaris for $2000 - $3000 for one week, but the porters on get $20 a week. But if those travelers were to walk across the street and shop around the same safari would be $200 - $300. In other words. They only charge what the Americans will pay. It has NOTHING to do with supply and demand! For example in the AB on Tuesday night the gals want $50 for 30 minutes. But there's more gals then men. If you want to know what the real supply/demand price is. Just say NO! there's more women then men. And she'll say, how much do you have? $20! She'll say lets go! The AB just like other parts of Mexico are filled with hookers. If you have $100 for 30 minutes, you'll pay it. But if you had gone to a real red zone in a turist resort such as Acapulco or Purta Villa or Mazatlan. There's pleanty of Beautiful young gals for all night long for $20 or $30...

Hope that helps.

Westfargo...

By El_Cabrio on Wednesday, June 13, 2001 - 07:17 am:  Edit

Exactly where is Purta Villa? Is that on the coast in Jalisco?

By Explorer8939 on Wednesday, June 13, 2001 - 07:32 am:  Edit

WF:

You're thinking that the reported Mexican Gross Domestic Product of $600 billion is about what the government takes in taxes every year.

Not.

Most people in Mexico don't pay taxes. Also, a big chunk of the economy is 'underground'.

What the Mexican government takes in taxes in tiny compared to what really goes on in the economy. Just imagine if the government could tax the SGs.

By El_Cabrio on Wednesday, June 13, 2001 - 07:43 am:  Edit

Exactly where is Purta Villa? Is that on the coast in Jalisco?

By Porker on Wednesday, June 13, 2001 - 09:37 am:  Edit

Do they Line la vida loca for that amount?

By Westfargo on Wednesday, June 13, 2001 - 11:26 am:  Edit

OC register. World section: 6/13/2001 page 3

I've been writing to Barbra Boxter, and every body else saying not to let Mexican trucker into the US. Insuance, bald tires etc...

However, Bush will let them in on a truck by truck basis. Plus, Jose Delgado of San Diego Co. asks, why can't we let them in? I responded saying the Mexican Gov. Probobly won't let them back into Mexico with a bribe. He's of Mexican descent and he thinks that's rediculcus. However, in the Aritcel today that's what's happening.

TJ Mexico, Mexican turck drivers have to cary $850 cash to pay Mexican border officicals to stamp their trucks as they enter Mexico.
An Amerincan Trucking company says he has not gotten one of his Mexican trucks accoss the border into Mexico with paying at least $850 cash to government officals. He's fed up with the "B____Sh__" says the US official taking the complaint. And other US offical say that nearly all MEXICAN trucks. Not American trucks, going into Mexico have to pay huge bribes to get back into Mexico. The Mexican government to the complant is that, "If there's any problem with Mexican Trucks trying to get back into Mexico. It's the US officials problem. The Mexican trucker know the procedures and they follow them closly."...

There they are again screwing over there own people. And here we are the US government trying to help them.

Build a higher fence, and stop all diplomatic comunication with Mexico until they get their act together...

Westfargo...

By Porker on Wednesday, June 13, 2001 - 11:35 am:  Edit

WF, keep bashing, dude, no matter how 'rediculcus' it might sound to some. BTW, what's an 'Aritcel'? Sounds like the bbbj queen of the streets who claims she doesn't chupa to new clientes?

By Innocent on Wednesday, June 13, 2001 - 06:30 pm:  Edit

It's all about money, fuckin duh

By Westfargo on Thursday, June 14, 2001 - 12:33 am:  Edit

One of the funniest one's is the UCSD is going to change the mascot. Their mascot is an Azatacin Warror. The Mexicans say that so Raciest of the White school officials to let them use an Aztez mascot.
Roger and I wrote to the San Diego Register.
It goes like this, If you go all over Mexico you will see that most of their sports teems are named after Myan or Aztecan ruins or leaders. In Mexico city they have a mock up where as the god ruller sacrofices a virgin to the sun god. And no one in Mexico is jumping up and down saying the Mexicans are sterotyping the Indians. Why do the Americans have to the be the one's that suffer for the Mexicans mistakes, we don't show mock exicutions of underage girls.
Although, I do get a little horney thinking about it, why? Because when I visited Teoteochan and Copan. When the virgin reach the age of (the square root of 81 * 3 + 12 / 3) TJhombre! They would have sex for 12 moons with all the priests then they would be sacrafised...

Westfargo...

By El_Cabrio on Thursday, June 14, 2001 - 07:13 am:  Edit

Actually I think it is Cal State Univ. San Diego that are th Aztecs. UCSD is a different school that probably does not have a football team. The Register is the Orange County paper. The San Diego paper is the Union Tribune. But other than that . . . your post is drivel anyway. So the V-girls were 13.33 when they got fucked for a year by the priests, and THEN they killed her? No more tight pussy?

By Curious on Thursday, June 14, 2001 - 10:56 am:  Edit

How the heck does that equal 13.33???

I get 31.

The square root of 81 is 9.

Times 3 is 27.

Plus 12 divided by 3, which is 4, equals 31.

And it's ALL drivel, I agree.

By Adelito on Thursday, June 14, 2001 - 12:07 pm:  Edit

Good one WF

By Redongdo on Thursday, June 14, 2001 - 01:59 pm:  Edit

Square root of 81 is 9

Times 3 is 27

Plus 12 is 39

Divided by 3 is 13

By Kendricks on Thursday, June 14, 2001 - 02:13 pm:  Edit

Curious had it right. Order of operations dictates that division will be performed before addition, so the correct answer is 31.

The equation could be more clearly written, *without* changing its value, as follows:

[((the square root of 81) * 3) + (12 / 3)] = 31

By Athos on Thursday, June 14, 2001 - 02:42 pm:  Edit

Kendricks is following programming logic to get at 31.
Redongdo is following his reading logic to get at 13.
Since WF does not know the difference between the SDSU Aztecs and the UCSD Tritons, I'd say Redongdo is correct.

By Hippie on Thursday, June 14, 2001 - 03:22 pm:  Edit

I would too, but I find it ironic that a computer programmer (WF) made this particular mistake.

By Adelito on Thursday, June 14, 2001 - 04:11 pm:  Edit

That's funny, using any kind of logic to devine his meaning. He was just fucking with TJHombre.
Hey WF, How much money should I loan my novia: $500[10/1+(-10+9)]*500+$(15Xor5)+cuarto or $1000?

By Taxibob on Thursday, June 14, 2001 - 05:17 pm:  Edit

Some of these people do live prety poor.On my flight to Mexico City there were about twenty people on a religious mission to preach to the people living in the dumps in Mexico city.I'm sure that some food would be more helpful than the preaching but i guess they were trying to help.One of these people was a nurse who sat next to me on the plane.She showed me a big newspaper article on these people living in these dumps.They make about a quarter an hour sifting through the dump looking for recycleables if they work hard.They have to pay to live in the dump which takes a lot of thier earnings.They live in holes in the trash that they hollow out of the dump.There are families that have lived like this for generations that never have left the huge assed dump.Fargo ever check out what the going rate is for these gals?

By Reytj on Thursday, June 14, 2001 - 06:10 pm:  Edit

WF writes "If you go all over Mexico you will see that most of their sports teems are named after Myan or Aztecan ruins or leaders."

What a crock! Let's see if you can come up with some examples.

By Redongdo on Thursday, June 14, 2001 - 06:19 pm:  Edit

So what have we learned?

Programmers don't know basic arithmetic

and

Engineers claim bumblebees can't fly

This explains Microsoft!

By Progman on Thursday, June 14, 2001 - 08:19 pm:  Edit

All,

problem => [ ( (the square root of 81) * (3 + 12) ) / 3) ]

1). square of 81 = 9

2). 3 + 12 = 15

3). 9 * 15 = 135

4). 135 / 3 = 45

I got a "B" in math... (prog)

By Progman on Thursday, June 14, 2001 - 08:21 pm:  Edit

... Should have gotten a "D"... LoL (prog)

By Westfargo on Thursday, June 14, 2001 - 11:58 pm:  Edit

Programming Lauguage isn't english. Non are!
That problem would look like this.
Rickfelize, verify this for me.
The field RTTOT starts with 81.

RUT RTTOT HLD 7.0
HLD MULT 3 HLD H
HLD ADD 12 HLD
HLD DIV 3 HLD HR

The field HLD would be populated with 13!

I do algibric, geomotry, etc. every day. But like all math, basic arithmic is the KEY!
Compters don't know fancy was or writing calculations. Compters are very simple and basic. I tested that on my computer and it equals "13"

You guys must have a little Mexican in you. You take something so simple and make it so complicated.

Redongo, you get the jackpot!

I've got another good article here. I'll love this one! Tomorrow!

Westfargo...

By Wv3056 on Friday, June 15, 2001 - 08:54 am:  Edit

WF,

Or you can do all those instructions with one line of code in C++:

double result = ( sqrt( 81 ) * 3 + 12 ) / 3;

By Eskimo on Friday, June 15, 2001 - 09:15 am:  Edit

One line of code as the expression was originally written "the square root of 81 * 3 + 12 / 3" would result in 31.

To get the result of 13, you would need to break the expression up into multiple statements or add parentheses as WV3056 had shown.

I highly doubt WF is a programmer. He wouldn't last long at any companies I've worked at if he doesn't even understand basic order of operation rules.

By Wv3056 on Friday, June 15, 2001 - 11:52 am:  Edit

Visual Basic would look like this:

Dim result As Double
result = ( Sqr( 81 ) * 3 + 15 ) / 3

By Kendricks on Friday, June 15, 2001 - 01:11 pm:  Edit

Couldn't you could still get away with one line of VB code if you skipped the dimensioning, and let "result" be a variant?

By Wv3056 on Friday, June 15, 2001 - 01:37 pm:  Edit

To answer your question you could use the fact that Variant is the default data type in Visual Basic and skip the declaration of the variable all together. Personally, I never liked Variants because errors are too hard trap using them. Plus everytime you perform an operation on a variant, VB has to convert that variable to the appropriate data type slowing down execution. For instance, if two variants contain numeric values and you want to use the + operator on them, VB has to convert the variables to integers and then perform the addition. Only use variants if it is really neccessary.

By Shy_Guy on Friday, June 15, 2001 - 03:58 pm:  Edit

It is San Diego State University

By El_Cabrio on Friday, June 15, 2001 - 08:18 pm:  Edit

Hey, I bet you programming geeks are the life of the college parties!

By Innocent on Saturday, June 16, 2001 - 01:22 pm:  Edit

Wv3056,

I appreciate the advice on using varients only when really neccesary and I will certainly heed it when performing future calculations.

I need some other advise though based one your exstensive experience. How do you deal with a TV that has been hard to trap and skips the declaration of being a TS that wants to convert to a SG? Would this be an appropriate circustance to use a devient instead of a variant.

Would it be an error to slow down your execution while waiting for the TV have an operation.

Of course this is only hyothetical but it is the zone anything can happen. Please advise.

By Westfargo on Sunday, June 17, 2001 - 03:41 pm:  Edit

Wv3056,
On the prompt format the Calculation type in the proper boxes look like my example. However, the computer will change it from a fixed format to a string if I want. I don't look at languages in strings. Why? Because it's easer to look at fixed format code then string code. Your example looks clean but when you have 10,000 lines and Subrotine going from top to bottom it's takes 5 times longer to find a bug and debug it.

And yes I am a programmer, I program in RPG400, OCL, CL, Visual RPG, most of the time on IBM and HP's. Why? VB, C++, and Windows programming are way to slow to compile and test and I get more money plus you have to compete with a buch of 18 years old for a job. I like to get in, modify a program and get out. I work with many C++ guys. Talk about Milkers, they'll sit there for weeks on one stupid little program and give every reason in the world why it won't work. Give me IBM any day. I like to get in and out of a company as fast as possible. Just like my Mongering, I don't make up excuses for anything. I do it and I do it right!!!

Westfargo...

By Westfargo on Sunday, June 17, 2001 - 04:58 pm:  Edit

Thursday June, 12 2001 OC Register Page C15.

Electricity Theft in California estimated to be $4 billion annually.
DWP has 48 full time employs that’s sole purpose is to stop illegal power stealers.
It’s a full time job says John Ashcroft, nearly every block we check we find people steeling power. Power theft is out of control in Santa Anna, when Immigrant comes from countries that’s national past time is to steel electricity. We hook up our sophisticated devices to a powerstation and measure the amount of power being used. And there’s way too much nearly everywhere we go. They know what they’re doing too. We find them using illegal power we cut the lines and the next day we check and the lines have been replaced. There is whole Apartment buildings in Santa Anna that are using Illegal power. They know that we can’t check them forever and they run their Air conditioners around the clock too. So if we cut the lines they just go down to Home Depot and within hours they’re hooked up again. They know the power companies never prosecute and for Apparent buildings that are habitual offenders we completely remove their power box and they just climb the power pole and hook the wires up their. They just don’t care. California have an estimated $4 billion stolen annually that’s about 5% theft. Also, there are whole communities of Illegal Immigrants living in Orange Country that have tapped directly into the State power grid. We don’t know what to do, we just cut the lines and the next day there’s new lines up there. If everybody is complaining about skyrocketing electricity bills. 5% can be blamed on the power thefts. Or $4 billion a year in California alone.


Friday June, 13 2001 OC Register Page C1.
Electricity Theft in Mexico Surges, Draining Supplies.

Mexico City - Newsstand owner Miguel Angel Aguayo pays an electricity bill that any Californian would envy: $1 a month.
Aguayo gets his electricity for next to nothing because he steals it, with impunity. Like hundreds of thousands of other consumers and businesses large and small, Aguayo has a Diablito, or little devil, and illegal device that connects his kiosk on the main drag of Paseo de la Reforma to overhead power lines. The $1 is what he pays an inspector to look the other way.
Robos de luz, or light thefts, are a time-honored tradition in Mexico. Reflecting grinding poverty and ingrained corruption. The situation is especially out of hand at the capital’s Central Light and Power. Whose rate of power loss is among the hemisphere’s largest. Rivaling that of Colombia, Bolivia and the Dominican Republic. The amount of the losses are estimates because the Mexican government keeps the figures a SECRET. Almost no one wants to talk about the thefts because it is such a touchy political subject. Many governemnt officals have resigned themselves to Diablitos as an inescapable social cost in a nation where half the working population lives on wages of $8 of less a day. It’s not the just the poor street vendors of Mexico City who steal. Residents of wealthy neighborhoods in Monterrey were found to be principal culprits in a recent sweep in that industrial city. Inspectors found 27% of all light customers using diablitos. Why have legitimate service in Mexico says one man, electricty costs a fortune here. For $5 a month a Biablito will hook you up. A governmet think tank group says it’s a vicious cycle. The more people steal power the more the ligitamnet people will have to pay for power, then they switch to the Biablito’s. Soon no one will be legal. Then the people will have to pay more taxes, to make up for the lost. Already, 80% of Mexicans don’t pay income tax. What do you think the 20% that do we think then they find out there paying for the other 80% being criminals.


After thought,
Most people would say the Illigals steal electricty because they don’t have much money. The truth is, they do it because they did it at home and there was no penility. And they do it here because there’s no penility. There’s another $4 billion a year that Americans have to put out with because were to afraid to say, NO!

Again, You can take the Mexican out of Mexico, but you can’t take the Mexico out of the Mexican…

Westfargo…

By Innocent on Sunday, June 17, 2001 - 05:43 pm:  Edit

Westfrogo,

With all the chicks you fuck in TJ if you paid just a little bit more you could probably offset the deficit in six months or so at least in Mexico.

By Wv3056 on Monday, June 18, 2001 - 11:00 am:  Edit

Innocent,
I don't have trouble with TVs or SGs. There is one rule that seems to work for me in those cases that you've mentioned. If your in doubt that she might have a slong, play it safe and move along.
WF, I'm happy that you feel comfortable programming in the environment that you do. Personally, it's not what I would like to work in, but whatever works for you.
El Cabrio,
College parties were the best. Its amazing what you can do and get away with, when everyone perceives us that way.

By Innocent on Monday, June 18, 2001 - 04:45 pm:  Edit

Wv3056,

That was supposed to be a joke

By Amous on Tuesday, June 19, 2001 - 09:22 pm:  Edit

Westfargo: I was sort of your fan (in a comedic sort of way), but not any more. You are a bashing racist who only looks at the bashee's negative aspects. C'mon the rest of you, this guy is a con-artist, not only is he doing this to the chicas, but also to the board mongers, in which he is insulting our intelligence.

Innocent: You got a lot of balls walking the walk of the so-called trash you bash.

TJH: I am now one more monger on the list who has wised up to and turned against the Infamous WF.

By Westfargo on Wednesday, June 20, 2001 - 09:42 am:  Edit

Amous,
I'm glad your taking me serious. Because I am serious. There's nothing comical in my posts. My objective is to educate mongers, wether your Mexican or American you should realize what they've done to Mexico and what they're doing the the US too.
In case you haven't got the message. My message is that corruption and a half hazard way of life is the path most have chosen in Mexico. And no amount of money or education will change that. They picked up their bad habits where they were little children. I've live in Mexico for years and was married to one for 8 years. I tried to be a Mexican as hard as I could. But I couldn't, why? because I'm American and any issue that had to do with Mexicans vs. Americans I always took the American side. With the Mexicans in the US getting in to politics. Patroling the border, etc. I think that's a grave mistake.
I'm not some green American that live's in Montana that comes to TJ once a year. I'm the closes thing to being a Mexican without being one. I'm not your enimy. Neither are the Mexicans. But we don't keep them in check, by reminding them that their bad habits aren't tollerated here. The southern states will look and operate like Mexico. And that's something Legal Mexicans and Americans alike can't afford!!!

Westfargo...

By Amous on Wednesday, June 20, 2001 - 02:26 pm:  Edit

Westfargo:

You don't seem to realize that most of those that cross illegally are uneducated and poor, and with them they bring those bad practices. I don't like this just as I wouldn't like a lot of trailer trash hillbillies infiltrating the land with their habits and customs. It just happens that there are many more poor people in Mexico.

I have families in Mexico who are well respected, none of who have the qualities that you so fervently bash.

As for getting into politics...Do you realize that one of the most respected mayors of LA was a Mexican-American in the late 19th century. He made one of the single most important decisions (and good for LA) any LA mayor ever made.

For every bash you make, I'm sure I can come up with a equally deserved bash about other nationalities, including the U.S., but that is not my MO.

I like informative opinions, even if it is derogatory, so long as it's true and not generalized in such an ignorant fashion (bashing).

As for tolerating their bad habits...sure I agree with you, but on the same token I would not have them tolerate some of our (white-washed), destructively abusive habits either.

Anyway you are a funny guy, but it's a shame you couldn't put it to better use.

By Diego on Wednesday, June 20, 2001 - 03:31 pm:  Edit

Amous sed...

"You don't seem to realize that most of those that cross illegally are uneducated and poor"

Actually, he realizes it quite well. But, what YOU don't seem to realize that most Mexicans are uneducated and poor - not just those that come over here. But, somehow you think you are above the ones who cross illegally, right?. Ha. It is OK for you to do it to your own people...

"I like informative opinions, even if it is derogatory, so long as it's true and not generalized in such an ignorant fashion (bashing)."

So, when a generic observation is made that Mexicans are "power stealers", it is bashing. Come on man, you aren't that ignorant - over 33% of the people in Tijuana are stealing electricity. It is a regular expose, even on Tijuana television.

I agree with WF, California should wise up and stop the Mexicanos from pulling the same shit over here. This isn't racist - it is common sense.

If you bought some product from a group of WASP businessmen, and they kept ripping you off, time after time - would you go back to them?? No, right? Well, using your logic... that isn't common sense - YOU ARE A RACIST!!!

My suggestion to you is to stop playing the "R" card(which you seem to do ONLY when it suits you), and try to look at the facts. Stereotypes don't just come out of nowhere. Think about it.

The funny thing is, you only seem to get upset when someone mentions a bad habit that involves YOUR race. I'd say that makes YOU the racist - because the statements were facts, and you said it was OK to state the facts.

"For every bash you make, I'm sure I can come up with a equally deserved bash about other nationalities, including the U.S., but that is not my MO."

Hey, here are some more FACTS...

Can you name ONE significant scientific acheivement that Mexico has EVER contributed to improving the human condition? Can you deny that a SIGNIFICANT part of Mexico's GNP comes from the production and sale of illicit drugs? Since Mexican Independence, has Mexico EVER won a war? Can you deny that Mexico treats illegal immigrants from other countries far worse than Americans do? Can you deny that the stratified Mexican social and power structure is racist to the core? (Just think about all those white faces on Mexican television when you try to deny it).

When you think about these facts, you realize why the USA would build a no-man's land with 12-foot high double-fences, to stop unchecked advancement of a backwards and inferior culture.

But Americans are racist, right?

By Diego on Wednesday, June 20, 2001 - 04:04 pm:  Edit

Oh, I forgot to mention...

At some juncture in both WWI and WWII, the Mexicans were negotiating ways with the agressors to "get back" territory from the USA.

Can you deny that Mexican schoolchildren are taught that the Mexican cession rightfully belongs to Mexico? However, when you ask them about how they can reconcile this belief given the fact that Mexico later sold the USA the Gila River Valley as part of the Gadsden Purchase(for use as Southern cross-continental railroad route, and in which were later discovered numberous mineral-rich mines), you can suddenly get them to blame the old Mexican leaders as "ignorant swine who thought the land was worthless", and/or "treacherous dogs capitulating with the enemy". But, Mexico wasn't alone - Russia later sold Alaska to the USA; but I don't think you'll find Russian schoolchildren being taught the same backwards nonsense that the Mexicans are taught.

Can you deny that most Mexicans believe that they may somehow get this "stolen territory" back? Can you deny that most Mexicans coming over here also think this way - UNTIL they adapt to our culture?

It is in America's best interest to accept a certain influx of hard-working foreign labor. But - too rapid of an influx can have devastating effects on our culture and economy.

Remember a few years ago when the Mexican workers were waving Mexican flags in downtown LA during a near riot? This created a backlash, and got people to see what the fuck was slowly being allowed to transpire. Since then, the fence was built, the hospitals are not so full of illegals, the Mexicans themselves realize they need to be taught English(only the behind-the-times school beauracracy still disagrees), and you don't have flag-waving Mexicans threatening to riot.

By Westfargo on Wednesday, June 20, 2001 - 10:59 pm:  Edit

Diego,
WOW! After hearing all I sort of feel sorry for Amous. I don't take offense to any Mexican or American that wasn't educated or lived in Mexico for any leangth of time. The dark side of their culture is just a bazzar to them as it is to us.
And yes I have met some of the most nicest people in Mexico too. But that doesn't mean that there no Racesism or corruption down there. Again it's the rule rather then the exception and I'll do everything in my power to spread the word to the masses about how they came corrupt our society. We've got enough problems without them and their corrupt ways...

Westfargo...