Maybe I'm missing something here...so...I challange anyone to point out any true, informative, original, and topical information (posts) that WF has provided. Now, remember, all 4 criteria has to be met.

Aren't any of you Kool-Aid drinkers listening to him when he says, "All mongers are stupid"? Do you think he means everyone else BUT you? IMHO, WF posts solely for himself so he can come back and read his own illiterate posts and their responses. He has NO desire to help anyone but himself and his ego.

Trust me WF, your "15 minutes" were used up on the Redsnake board.

Any takers?

Aardvark,
Everybody reads reads my posts just like you. Yes I admit most are lazy and they don't bother looking it up. But they don't have too. Because they know it's from WESTFARGO, and that's good enough for them...

And as long as you guys are getting fucked around in the US and Mexico I'll be here to help. Unlike other Mongers. I don't through away the barrel just because of a few rotten apples...

I just posted about the speed trap in Atlanta Ga. Go get the Press Enterprise and read it yourself. You better do it, before they are all sold out!

Westfargo...

You're just comic relief to a smattering of newbies who haven't really succumbed to the fact that you're just a self-stroking wanna-be know-it-all who really has NO life so uses this venue to prove his self (and only self!) importance.

If you really knew how you are spoken about in other venues...you just might quit. I doubt it though as it's pretty clear you're really only here to be critiqued & reviewed!

Re: your post about the Atlanta speed trap..........ehhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh (buzzer sound) disqualified...not original.

WF,

I hope your "Everybody reads reads my posts just like you. Yes I admit most are lazy and they don't bother looking it up. But they don't have too. Because they know it's from WESTFARGO,and that's good enough for them... " doesn't include me because that would make you a liar or ignorant or both.

The fact of the matter is that there are those of us out here who find your message inane, annoying and a waste of bandwith. So please don't include us in your little meglomania world where you are sitting on your imaginary throne ruling your Westfargo Kingdom. It's time to wake up, stand up and flush your throne. Reality has come home to roost, deal with it.

Some may find value in what you have to say. Fine. But NEVER make the statement that EVERYBODY trusts what you have to say. From this point on, understand that saying so is a LIE, because you now know in no uncertain terms that it is not true. Are we clear on that?

Well, my two minutes are up. Time to get back to the bbq. Everyone have a nice 4th of July. WF, go ahead and grab the coals....they're not hot. Trust me.

I find value and entertainment in the fact that WF detractors are so respetful of WF as to need to respond. I posted long ago: this is entertaining fiction; and this is not a debating club (you choose to read it).

You detractors carry all the credibility of a pre-schooler who wants to argue with Porky Pig. You just don't get it.

OK, just for some semblance of substance: I liked Westie's list of the maladies that will _foloow_ with courting a latina: the banged up cars (and chicas), loud inconsiderate neighbors, the plastic sheets on the furniture, . . . These things are CULTURAL. Don't forget the kids walking in the streets (and not for safety, just ignorance and disdain for the anglo-order of things). Go ahead, react to me _know_. You just still don't get it.

Aardvark, you will have few replies to your question
because after reading your antics on the Hombre
Board, almost nobody will read what you have
to say. I will bet that there are hundreds of
clicks on Westfargos section a day and do you see many complaints.

Aardvark , Nope I can't think of any but they sure are funny! I'll be going down to GDL around the 21st-23rd to see what3ver. Let me know if you want to go.

Doctorgood,

I don't know anything about Aardvark's past, but I do know that most of Westfargo's posts are littered with made up shit and contradictions. Take his rebuttal for example. If you read that thing it makes no sense and he supports it with no facts. So he wrote about some rental car being equipped with a GPS (Global Positioning System) BFD. Seems most of his fans are young impressionable newbies who don't know any better but sooner or later they'll open their eyes and come to their senses. Just ask Adelito. As far as complaints go, I know you're a Hombres member just start there.

Harry

El Cabrio,

Respectful is the wrong word. I recognize WF's skillful ability to articulate a message in such a way as to give it impact.

In part or in whole, elements of WF's vaunted "laundry list" are not unique to the latino culture, but you failed to see that.

Back in the beginning of WF's budding career as the teller of tall tales, which consisted of weird stories of flashlights, odd warts on his genitals and goofy proclamations about pricing. I found his stuff annoying and harmless. Granted it was cleverly written but was pretty much innocuous. I let him know then that I would continue to do things my own way and proceeded to do so. He tried to convince me otherwise, but I'd stopped listening by then.

Lately his posts have been a darker tapestry with thick strands of intolerance woven into them. There was nothing silly or playful about them. Indeed they represent the worst in us where we broadly paint a group of people as deficient or inferior to ourselves and smile smugly about it.

This is what I "get". Out there are guys who listen to WF's, and to a degree Diego's, rants about the inferiority of the Mexican culture and nod their head in agreement. He gives voice to their opinion reinforcing it. For a subset of those, they see it as license to treat Mexicans accordingly with lessening respect. And when we say nothing to counter that voice, they hear that too. THAT is what I get.

Of course, that's my opinion. I could be wrong.

PS. Three year olds don't argue with Porky Pig. They argue with Elmo....

DOCTORGOOD: I'll be willing to bet there certainly are 100's of clicks on WF's posts with no complaints...because...there are 100's (close to 1,000) of "members" who don't even post. So, now out of the couple of hundred that do actually post (some more then others), a good percentage of those want to avoid any confrontation (for whatever reason) and that leaves people like me who don't mind "mixing it up" especially after I've read for the 100th time that "all of mongers are stupid and doing it wrong". Add to that WF mantra all of his hatred for the Latin race and his (jokingly or not) pleasure in deflowering, fisting, and impregnating virgins and if no one speaks...he fills that he is vilified.

WF has to learn (as Ptom said) that it is not EVERYBODY who worships at the alter of WF.

sorry, meant "he feels that he is vilified".

Ptom,

If you do not respect it, then do not answer and perpetuaite it. It is HIS thread. EOM

Post more homage to WF at will!!!

LOL....perpetuate? That implies that I wish him to continue. On the contrary my dear simpleton, I wish him to stop. However that power eludes me, so the only thing I can do is to respond to him and his legion of syncophants.

By all means continue to post homage to WF and I will continue to challenge. Unlike WF I have no followers parroting my every word. All I have is my own small voice and an opinion. Am I such a threat to the great WF? Would you deny me that small pleasure?

Really El Cabrio, I would have expected better of you (don't ask me why).

Of course, that's my opinion. I could be wrong.

I think its pretty hard to find any posts by anyone that are true, informative, original and tropical. This board reminds me of KROQ in the early 80's. It took alot of listening to alot of shit till a song came through that really rocked.

But Bullitt, that is exactly what WF preachs...that he is the one saving force for all mongers to follow with his on-the-spot testimonials.

Yes PT, perpetuate. What exactly are you expecting to due in a thread labled: Off-Topic: Entertainment (Humor, Sports, etc...): Aske Westfargo? Due yu expect Spock's logic hear? You are embarassing yourself. You sound like the goofball in the Monty Python scit that walks into the arguement shop and tries to argue about whether or not he is getting an arguement. Yes, keep challenging WF. It cracks me up that you expect a logical response that will make since to you. Try righting a limerick instead.

Allow me to some up Wusfargo,
Wus is very arrogant in Mexico, at home, at the grocery store at the DMV ect. The chicas and mexican people, he meets as well as we mongers know it. As humans we take offense at arrogance and only put up with it, if we can benefit from it, money, wisdom ect.That is up to each mongers veiwpoint.
What i do know is that what wusfargo fucks for $10 is a #1 on a scale of #1 to #10. They are so butt ass ugly you can't tell if their a he or she.
Wus I'll give you a tip,
You can fuck a fag at the sixth st park outhouse for FREE!

Well El Cabrio....the actual "thread" we're in is "Challange to WF or any of his minions" so that's what I expect.

In the last 12 posts (which don't include any of mine), there still hasn't been an example of what WF professes to provide to the monger community.

I recall WF posting an excellent summary of Mazatlan bars on Redsnake last year.

At one time I would have agreed that ignoring WF would be the best long-term strategy to stop him from laying caca all over this board, but the reality has been otherwise. Throughout most of his posting history his vocal detractors have been lonely voices in comparison to the volume of butt kissers. Now that is changing with more and more of the silent majority coming out to criticize him. We are seeing that as long as he continuously casts his rod and reel, he will always drag a fresh clueless newbie out of the water to feed his ego.

We also see that opposing him causes him to blow harder and harder...perhaps only to push the buttons of his opponents...perhaps because he doesn't enjoy having the sun shine on the dark spirit and plain bullshit he injects here. For whatever reason, the harder he blows the more likely he is to expose his hypocrisy and desperation - when that happens, I think the flock gets trimmed.

It isn't his detractors who have initiated the "argument" and personal attacks. Virtually every one of his posts are an "attack" on the way many of us conduct our TJ affairs along with the offense to moral/ethical sensibilities that they give.

I personally don't give a damn about him filling up discus with fundamental misinformation about the dynamics of operating in the zona. After all, every person who latches on to those posts ultimately discovers that it is pure crap as they gain experience. However, his toxic political/cultural observations...his "ugly americanism" screams for opposition. There are handshakes and pats on the back for him for those who like what he says, why shouldn't those who get depressed and offended also speak up? It is completely in his hands as to whether this argument continues. Make no mistake that he will continue to argue even if nobody comes forward to challenge him...in that case, he just argues with all of Mexico.

No doubt WF is loving the attention that this kind of discussion brings him...but we are past talking to him...this is all for the consideration of those who take him seriously.

I have learned from observing the dynamics around here that if someone says they are the Messiah loud and often enough, disciples will gather.

We are not putting him up on a cross...only trying to balance the record.

Question for the West Fargo haters here:

Don't you ever run into him during your visits to TJ? If so, why not tell him to his face what you think of his posts?

Or are you worried that he may show you a thing or two about Mexico while you are down there?

Explorer8939
The last thing I want is to be seen in WF's company while inside AB.
I am NOT interested in $10/20 chicas.
To be honest, I rarely read his posts so cannot comment on their contents except for the few that I have read which most contain either inflammatory or racist comments.
Let me put it this way, I HAVE seen him at times with some plain looking Janes but never with a decent looking one in anyone tastebud.
At $20 it is NOT a discount.

Explorer: For whatever reason, WF was AWOL during my many months of TJ-tripping and just recently started hanging out in the zona more & more in the last couple of months. Now, as much as I really don't want to be seen/associated with him, I am in no way opposed to letting him know personally how I feel about his posts. Sadly, I really see your "attraction" to WF as a similar taste for the "bargain-pricing structure" he promotes. Be his Lieutenant for all I care...I really don't like you as well!

Oh yea, do we really have to go all the way back to the "Redsnake Days" to find a WF post that qualifies for this challange? You're making my case for me!

You know, I think you guys are just arguing for the sake of arguing.

WF is relying to you his observations about Mexican culture, along with some lies. If you can't tell which is which, that's no reason to get all cranky.

Here's a recent quote from MetalBoots about WF:

"A while back - West Fargo posted how he tested SG's by figering them from accross the street - if they came over to his side of the street they were a contender. I adopted this a few weeks back and it did help - some chicas would not budge when I gestured for them to cross the street - so I passed. "

Now, for all I know, MetalBoots IS WestFargo, but what the heck.

Can someone please provide some gems of knowledge posted by Athos on this BBS?

How about the dozens of chica reports that Athos had supplied us?

If WF told you that the SGs should jump through a hoop on the way over from the other side of the street...and if they didn't...they weren't a "contender"...would you follow that advice as well. I remember reading that original post and seeing just another example of WF trying to bend the world (or at least the zona) his way.

Explorer sed;

"You know, I think you guys are just arguing for the sake of arguing."

You JUST NOW figured that out?

Just out of curiousity Explorer, just what did that prove about the girls who did not budge?

1) They would have been terrible in the room. (Based on what? We never got them up there to find out.)

2) They were stuck up. (Because they didn't want to be summoned like a dog? hell some dogs don't want to be summoned like a dog.)

It was a dubious experiment because there was no proven correlation. The girls who did come to you may have found you attractive (work with me here)and were pre-disposed to giving you a good time. Or they reaaaaallllly needed the money and were willing to make the trip (a downer I know, but wait this could work to our advantage).

It wasn't exactly a double blind test was it? Of course "fingering" them does accomplish one major thing. It lets them know we want them to come over. THAT'S IT!!! A BREAKTHROUGH!! Wait...we could have accomplished the same result by walking over to them. Oh well, back to the drawing board.

Monty Python?

I am honored indeed. They were masters at lampooning the overly pretentious self-proclaimed "authority figures". Although my all-time favorite was the Dead Parrot skit.

A logical answer? From Westfargo? Now that's funny to the point of absurdity.

When WF's posts, I'll ask any questions I may have. He doesn't have to answer. In fact, I'd prefer he not. I want others out there to ponder them for a moment, no more than that (hey, it's not the meaning of life, how's that for a sly Monty Python reference?). If they feel my point is not valid, so be it. They won't be called "stupid" for not agreeing, that I can promise.

It is the free exchange of information and ideas that strengthens us. All points of view must be heard, challenged and tested, repeatedly.

Of course, that's my opinion. I could be wrong.

Erip:

Great post...a tour de force synthesis of the WF issue...

YoungBrig

Everybody,
You guys are in the 3rd most corrept country in the world. Participating in the sex trade. Besides being in the mofia. There's probobly nothing as dangerous in the world. And you don't do you homework before you go down there. 99% of you guys are very educated. Before you go to work, you do your homework. Your the best person for your job. You'd never drink while on the job. And you make sure what your doing and how you do it is done right. Why? Because your livelyhood depends on it.

I think most of you guys are professionals and your proud of your work.

I'm here to tell you that mongering in Mexico should be treaded the same as working in the U.S. Do your homework first! My job is to make mongering Fun and Safe. 95% of you guys are just a response to a reaction. Just like in your work you must anticipate or Forcast your orders. That way you can plan, and you won't be caught off guard.

Bardering in Latin America is how suply and demand are acheaved. But Mexico is stranger then you might emagion. Just because a gal just fucked Bill Gates for $100 doesn't mean she's not going with me for $20. Her mission is to make as much money as she can in one night. She'll go to the HighRoller first. $100+ guys then fuck the $50 guys then do $20 guys. Then she'll do some lucky poor Mexican for free. That's how it worked for thousands of years and that's how it'll work after all us mongers are long gone.
And if for some reason a gal won't fuck you for $20. Maybe her friend will. Gals look at guys, just like men look at women. They think in their heads. Is this guy worth fucking for $20? And if you are nice and firm. She'll go with you. But, If your throughing your money around and all drunk and stupid, like an ugly American. She'll say, Fuckyou! And I would too.
One other thing. I NEVER fuck a gal that counter offers me. Why? That means she's fucking for money. You may think, she's a whore that's what she does. They like to fuck too. And when you find one that likes you. You'll say $20 and she'll say. OK! And you pay afterwards only! Even if she's not a "10" you will get fucked so good that all the others will look like nobody.

That's my message! I'm not into fake challenges and other bullshit stuff. If you really want to be an Expert monger and have a real blast and be safe too. Read what I post about Mexico! How to handle whores. And how to leave Mexico, knowing that you got a GREAT deal. And leave feeling GOOD!

My time is precious. And as long as Aavarke was kind enough to get your attention for me you might as well learn something.


Westfargo...

Nothing fake about the challange except the subject...you! Still haven't got a response yet!

Just looked up "Ugly American" in my Websters...all it showed was a picture of a Clark Kent look-alike.

Westfargo's fan club thus far:

1) Diego
2) Doctorgood
3) El Cabrio
4) Explorer8939

For clarification purposes.

The beauty of life is in its diversity. I plan to go into the zone next week prepared to be unprepared. I will enter AB, CC et al with no expectations hoping that the tide will take me to someplace new.

Is this the most efficient way to approach the zone? Probably not, but what the hell? Explorers follow their own path and leave the safe territory to the bean counters.

All I need is a cold beer, crisp chips and a hot chica.

That's just my opinion, I could be wrong.

Amous, actually I would not call myself a "fan"
of Westfargo. Westfargos behavior at times
makes me look like some "sunday school teacher".
There is whole lot of stuff Westfargo has
written ,which I think was for amusement or
entertainment purposes, that is somewhat silly
but there have been a few times his stories
were really funny to me and I have learned some
stuff that saved me and a friend of mine quite
a bit of money. Westfargo has written alot
about the "seedy" side of life that I did not
know anything about. I didnt start finding out
about the business and police corruption until
Westfargo put me on the trail and then I started
checking with my Hispanic connections and found
out everything he was talking about on corruption
in Mexico was true. Two recent articles-SEAL
THE DEAL and A GUIDE TO STREET GIRLS I really
liked. If what Westfargo says is true that he
has helped Americans out who were getting hustled
and taken advantage of in some Mexican bar,then
I look more favorably on Westfargos picture as a whole. Now I have a friend who is one of the
wealthiest men in the world,and he is also really
sharp and reading Westfargo is his favorite thing
to do-I guess he would be called a fan. I know
Westfargo is not perfect and what he is up to and
so does most everybody else but I prefer to look
at the glass as being half full rather than
half empty-. I will try to explain all this
in greater detail later but TJHOMBRE has asked
for trip reports and I am taking a break from
writing , as SADDAM in Iraq would say, the MOTHER
of all trips reports on Cuba. Regards.....doctorgood

DoctorGood
Cuba YES that sounds much better. I'll be waiting for that one.

Amous,

Interesting post... If you're saying a monger, who enjoys reading posts by WF, is part of a "fan club", then put me down. Oh and put me down as a fan of Aardvark, Ptom, Ritmo, SV, and too many others to mentioned. Holy crist! Get off it guys. Let people make their own minds up about what's BS and what's beneficial to THEM! I logged in this morning, selected "Last 1 Day" and found that a hugh portion of my screen filled up crap under this thread... (prog)

There was a great series of articles about Cuba in a recent "Cigar Aficionado" that really showed ALL of the facets of Cuba. Not much mongering (sorry, "hombreing"!) info though but I also recall an old (a few years) issue of Esquire that had an article about chica-chasing & cigar-hunting which showed both to be dangerous for gringos.

Well....

Since I kinda badgered WF to come over to the TJH site I guess you have to add me to the list as well. But like Progman says, you guys are getting way too hung up on this..just "take what is useful".

As in the short story "The Lottery" by Shirley Jackson it's always fun for communities to find someone for everyone to single out as the "bad one" so maybe WF is playing that role and helping you guys bond....awwwwwww!

Hey Ptom,

Nice post, looks like you are experiencing a moment of clarity .... Cool...you needed to loosen up a little!

Redongdo
If I recall you get upset when someone bashes asians but it seems OK to you when someone bashes mexicans. Isn't it double standard?

Aardvark
I don't know how old Fidel is but a trip to communist Cuba sounds like heaven to me. If my partner in crime Gitano is up for it, I'll be more than happy to play Blackford Oakes one of these days.

Aardvark,
I know this is the wrong thread to ask this question. But to get to Cuba do you go via Mexico? Is it true the Cuban customs does NOT stamp your passport? ... (Prog)

Ptom, some of my best times in the zona have been when I have nothing planned and just go with the flow.

Strikingviking, well said!

Harry

SV...well said!

Progman...I know NADA about Cuba or the logistics of getting there...sorry!

my vote:GET RID OF HIM!!