Where is Kobe play'n next year anyways?

Ben,
1.Fox and George are not stars...never have been and never will be...they are below average players in a great system with two of the greatest players ever....a better tandem than even Pippen/Jordan.

2. That is the first time I have ever seen a Phil Jackson coached team not get the calls throughout the course of a game with the exception of game 6 vs. Knicks without Jordan. Lakers have won two championships that would have never happened without the assistance of officiating. In now way should Laker fans ever even assume there is a conspiracy against them...Even with lopsided officiating last night, crucial games have ALWAYS been officiated in favor of Phil Jackson's teams...the refs have some sort of fear of him.

Blazers you international slut,

Perhaps I slightly exxagerated about Fox and George being stars and even agree it is time for Phil "The Zen Master" Jackson to have some bad Karma.

You have been out of the country so long you have forgotten about sarcasm.

Don't you ever work?

Kings go to Dallas and pretty much blow out the Mavs in Game one.. Dallas allows the Kings to shoot 57% from the field, and were down 28 in the third quarter.. I think Dallas is in a must win situation in game two...They dont want to go to Sactown down 0-2, trying to win on the road in back to back weekend games.. Cuban already has blasted the NBA for scheduling games 3 and 4 this sat and sun...

after posting about the generous series line where the spurs were +150, the line was bet up to where the fricking lakers were -230 and the spurs went to +190. sorry i don't see it---now the spurs are -125 in the series and the lakers are +105. i suppose the injury to george has some value, but why are the odds so greatly changed when the spurs won game one in which they were favored? now if the lakers lose tonight are the spurs like -200 favortites?--if the lakers win, are they -150 favorites?

i don't see any value in the spurs at -125, and not much at the lakers +105. if the lakers lose tonight and they very well may, then i would guess the price would be inviting if you were a laker believer.

tick ... tick ... tick ... time's running out, and I'm not just talking about Ben.

Good thing the Lakers have the depth to overcome injuries. Errrrr.

-Superman-

Gotta give props to San Antonio, up 2-0.

Tonight they cranked their game up a notch or two higher, and the Lakers haven't brought their championship game yet this series.

I'll be at Staples Center for the next 2, screamin' for the Lakers.

Wow. MJ gets fired today. Gotta admire the moxy of that organization for pulling the plug in a public and humiliating manner. I suspect that they were at the end of their rope with the dude. The greatest of the great players tend not to move upstairs to coaching/management gracefully or successfully. Has Isiah gotten the axe yet?

Jordan and Pippin could both be out of work next year, their post-Chicago reputations tarnished. Which Hollywood ending would be most fitting?

a) Miller Lite commercials

b) Suicide pact

c) MJ's DNA matches that found near Ron and Nicole, glove fits

d) MJ's DNA matches that found in Taiza (Brazil), Tanya (TJ) and/or DonGringo, condom does not fit.

e) Simultaneous retirement party

f) Both sign for cheap for one season with Lakers, re-unite with Phil and the triangle.

Isn't it wonderful to have nothing to whine about and admitting that the other team was better than you team on a particular night? Kobe Bryant was more a man in defeat than I could suppose anyone...Allen Iverson...would be ever be in the same situation.

Now, you whiners don't have to respond to this, but I'm so very glad I'm not you right now.

-Jarocho

Fuck San Antonio and that big grinning Duncan who never fouls.

I see the Lakers winning in seven if the ref's will give them a fuckin break.

All the Lakers need is a little help from Horry, Fisher and Shaw. Uh never mind.

Another lucky defensive game by the Spurs. Their defense is not really that good. Is it?

The Lakers have just been unlucky.

Dogster, save your money for Rio.

Jarocho, you again reveal your limited knowledge of the NBA. Iverson rarely if ever criticizes officials, and always praises his teammates in victory. Take the flag off your car and show up again next year around playoff time.

Ben, Lakers are not unlucky, they are just not as good as the top 3 teams in the West. If you had been paying attention, I have thorougly detailed the reasons LA could/would not beat SA, Dallas or Sacramento, going back before the season started. For those with a myopic Lakerland view, this series (and even the Minnesota series) is shocking. For people who understand basketball and can grasp the concept of team depth and talent, it is completely expected.

Nothing better than Laker fans crying and whining about fouls ... people in Sacramento must be loving the beautiful irony.

Never fear, Laker fans! I'm sure your heroes can win 4 of the next 5 from a team they are 0-6 against this year. Have faith!

-Superman-

Superman,

You are kidding I hope?

My last several post were trying to mimic your last years post regarding the Lakers Kings games.

Lakers are done with the loss of FOX and to some extent Georgr. YOU ARE RIGHT they have no depth and are the fourth best team in the west.

You were kidding? Right?

LOL...I noticed that you derive pleasure from putting people down all of the time. Wonder if the fantansyland you're talking about isn't all in your head? Here's your theme song:
" La cucaracha, la cucarachaaa...ya no puede caminar porque le falta, porque no tiene, marijuana para fumar."

I understand basketball and played at a high level in high school and will tell you that talent and depth does not matter when talented and deep teams play against teams coached by Phil Jackson. Portland was a much better team three years ago and Sacramento was much better last year....BUT the Lakers still managed to win. Never count the Lakers out. They beat a Portland team that had 8 all stars and last years Sac team had a better bench than all of the players for LA outside of Kobe and Shaq. I'm not a fan of the Lakers either but I am also a realist. They do have what it takes to get by a SA team that has one good player(Parker), one great player(Duncan) and a bunch of overachieving role players. Now Sacramento...that's a different story...no way in hell should the Lakers beat them.

Jarocho, you only think your being put down all the time. It's a psychological condition related to your low self-esteem.

The theme song is actually "Na na na na, hey hey hey, goodbye."

Ben, I never take any of your posts seriously.

Iverson sure choked the big one tonight. Like I've been saying, Detroit is a bad matchup for Philly.

-Superman-

The Mavs destroy the Kings tonight, scoring 83 points IN THE FIRST HALF.. Jeez... Webber and BJackson leave the game with injuries.. Webber with an injured leg, questionable for game 3 and 4, and jackson with an eye socket injury... Lets see how the deepest bench in the NBA can step it up against the Mavs in Sactown..

Didn't watch any hoops today, but I was just as surprised to see the MAVS win that many points...whatever happened to the Kings having their number?

SM, I have rule: If you start acting like a total idiot I give you 3 strikes...guess what...you're now being ignored...adios amigo.

kings played last year with an injured Peja, and went down to the wire in game 7 of the Western finals.. they were 9-3 without Webber this year, and 15-7 without bibby, they can play thru injuries..

That was easy.

-Superman-

Superman:
"Ben, I never take any of your posts seriously."

Now wait a minute!!!

I have lost twenty lbs because of you and I am going to lose another 15 lbs and be Superman.

Now wearing size 38's and a goal of 36 by the end of the summer.

That is serious stuff for a fat old guy like me.

Oh, there was an article in the SD Union today on the conspiracy theory about the Lakers getting the calls because of the huge market they represent yada yada yada. Did you contribute to the article?

benwhoisleavingforthegym

Ben,

jamesbr wrote the article in the SD union. LOL

so baster1, are you saying that superman's true identity is not clark kent?

Kings lose Webber for the rest of the playoffs, maybe its a blessing in disquise?? Webber was constantly icing his knees before and after the game, not at practice for most of the playoffs... I know he is the teams leading scorer, but if Pedja, Bibby, Jackson and Divac can step it up, they may be able to keep it close... Nah, who am i kidding??? Mavs in 6... (from a die hard Sac Fan, and no, i am not from sacramento..

The loss of Webber is a big loss for the Kings, despite the wishfull thinking. Really, really bad luck, given that this could have been the year for the Kings. No way the Kings beat the Lakers without Webber (note that I am writing off the San Antonio Spurs).

So now that San Antonio found that eliminating the champs isn't as easy as it might have looked during the first two games of the series, they will begin to get nervous and remember the last two years getting rocked by the Lakers. That energy of negativity will be transmitted from the veterans (Tim Duncan, David Robinson) to the players who weren't here last year...and so they will lose the series once more...destiny just says so!

Phil Jackson will do anything to win.

(Message edited by freightliner on May 11, 2003)

Does that include having a heart attack.....the fearless leader may be sidelined and that dosen't look good for Shaq and Company.

mavs win a wild double ot road game over the kings... Sac couldnt get that big shot at the end, and divac missed two key free throws at the end of regulation... Floppy Divac did the same thing last year in a pivitol game 4, missed one of two , then horry hit the "lucky three" and the rest was history... Kings are down , but not out, lets see how much heart this team has tonight.. no rest, back to back games..

2-2 series goes back to San Antonio...nothing has happened yet besides both teams holding on to the games on their home floor. Next game should be a dog fight. My opinion is that the Lakers down the stretch will have the advantange, but they better play well enough to be in a close fourth quarter situation.

-Jarocho

i'm guessing the san antonio press is not going to be very tolerant of robinson's stats from game 4. i'm not sure but i think he had twice as many fouls as rebounds and no points. if it was anyone else i would guess he would step up for game 5. since it is robinson he will probably fake an injury.

(Message edited by sampson on May 11, 2003)

I guess nobody noticed that the Lakers shot 95 free throws in the two games in LA..twice as many as the Spurs. Sounds like the referees were listening to Phil's whining and decided to give the Lakers a "window of opportunity".....Same bullshit, different year.

Actually it's 85 free throws...sorry..but it's still a shitload

the kings bounce back and hold the Mavs to 38 percent FG shooting tonight, winning 99-83... Hedo lead the team with 17 points..meanwhile, van exel, finley, nash and nowinski combined for 38 points tonight, its split 2-2... Mavs have to be a bit concerned, not able to capitalize with the Kings leading scorer out of the playoffs...

Blazers,

They don't give them points for the fouls. Kobe 17 of 19 FT's yesterday and Shaq 9-10 in the fourth period when he was purposely hacked every time he came down the floor.

I kind already hear the whining.

I can't believe Mrs Robinson fouled out with no points. Maybe he should retire after this season?

How come nobody mentions about the NBA referees being the worse in the major leagues? There is bad and there is horrible. I don't see this lack of refereeing in NFL, MLB and NHL.

Don't you think it is much more difficult to ref basketball than the sports you mentioned above?

Also, I believe the ref's that do the playoffs are suppose to be the best of the group.

I saw a couple of fouls called yesterday in the Lakers Spurs game that should have been in my opinion been called on just the opposite player.

My point is that Phil's whining after game 1 has worked...the refs hear this and it affects the way they call the game...it shouldn't. How come when Phil talks about the referees..he is just commenting...then if another coach comments as such, Phil calls them whiners. Fuck Phil Jackson and the Laker franchise for trying to and succeeding in manipulating the NBA and its officiating. This is not whining on my part.......this is a fact often overlooked by myopic Laker fans.

Phil is a very effective motivator and coach. Very intelligent. If he coached the TrailBlazers they would have probably won the NBA championship acouple of years ago!!

ALL NBA coaches try to manipulate the ref's. Phil seems to do it better than most.By the way he also is allot less confrontational along with his players than most coaches and players. The Blazers should take a lesson.

BenwholovestowatchRasheedWallacereceivetechnicals

Ben
All I want in playoffs is for referees to be consistent, over the same game, even better over the whole playoffs. Referees in NBA tend to change the rules for every game what is a foul. Then at end of games they usually swallow their whistles then call a foul here and there to help 1 team.
NHL used to be real bad at end of games but league decided to change and they did.
I just don't like to see what happened to the Kings in game 6 last year where the referees gave the game to the Lakers to get a game 7. Pressure for tv revenues, ratings. Makes the sport very questionable imho.
Am very surprised Phil did not get fined for criticizing ref after game 1 and 2. Personally I thought ref have been helping home teams in that series way too much.
I don't see same problems in NCAA tournament for example and they have more rules it seems.

Being a refferee is not easy and remember we see all the angles they only see 1 angle.

I think the refs to a damm good job and it will not always be 100 percent accurate.

I remember a few games back when one Spurs player was 34 feet away from Kobe and when he jumped up with Kobe he was called for the foul. that was a very bad call but i also think the refs will admit to making a mistake and give one to the other team.

There are always Monday morning refferees but overall I think they do a good job

thanks for reading my post
Milky

Notice the difference of in perspective, between those who blame referees and those who see a Laker team playing as hard as they have ever played...diving for every ball, running at every shooter, and being more aggresive on the offensive end, and the mind games are also just as important as all those things. A person should always give credit where credit is due...The Spurs were better in their home court, but they Lakers definately played a lot different at Staples Center.

Ben "Phil is a very effective motivator and coach."

C'mon, who was Phil before he couched the likes of the O'Neal/Bryant and Jordan/Pimp'n. How tuff can it be?

I leave for a week and a collection of whining, dumbass Laker haters (new and old) come out of hiding... Hilarious! I always enjoy how they accuse everyone else of what are in fact their own biased perceptions. Once they grow up, and overcome their pig-stupid attitutes, these guys may eventually be able to enjoy great games, players, and teams without angy, futile, pathetic tunnel vision.

Ben’s fishing for idiots post was hilarious considering who it netted. Pobrecito!!!

I guess some people will never be able to accept the legendary Lakers dynasty, great as it is. These may well be the same people who become emotionally disturbed rather than accepting the obvious superiority of the great Showtime Lakers teams, or the greatness of Celtic teams from the 50’s, 60’s and 80’s, or the greatness of Phil Jackson.. Personally, I **HATE** the Celtics, and I **LOVE** the Lakers, but I really appreciate the entire NBA product. I think the Spurs are currently the classiest act in the NBA and will say that even after my beloved Lakers dispense with them. Whoever wins this series will probably win it all, as I've said before...

I had excellent seats at the last two Laker games, not quite courtside, but acceptable (LOL). I sat in the folding chairs between the Lakers’ bench and the basket.

Thinking of all my good friends at Club Hombre, I snagged a cheapo disposable camera during yesterday’s game and snapped a few photos. I hope ya enjoy them. Maybe next time I’ll remember to bring a digital camera.

Yours in whoring,

Jarocho


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Lakers huddle without Phil, while Laker Girls (on-topic) heat up the joint


Season MVP Tim Duncan shoots a free throw during the first half. 3x Finals MVP Shaq shoots a free throw during the second half


MVP-esque Kobe shoots a critical free throw during the second half.


The two greatest centers ever to play the game. Russell is always joking and getting scholarly Kareem to crack up. (missing: Wilt, deceased)


Beautiful and flirtatious, this girl is good at handling loose cable.


(Message edited by Dogster on May 12, 2003)

Kobe shooting a FT...

refereeing professional basketball has to be the most difficult pro sport to officiate. the speed, skill level, and above the rim action is like no other. hell the lakers shot more free throws cause they were going to the hole. also the referees sometimes have to ignore the rule and look at the spirit of the rule when making decisions. like football they could blow a whistle on every possession or down, but they have to use their better judgement. i could care less who wins the sa/la series, but it is for all the marbles. sactown and dallas are two teams that will find a way to lose--maybe the first series ever where both teams lose....

THE CONTEST FOR DUMBEST POSTER ON THE NBA THREAD THIS WEEK IS PRETTY CLOSE. BLAZERS IS ACTUALLY EDGING OUT SUPERMAN, HAVING TURNED UP HIS AGGRESSIVE IGNORANCE AND IMPERVIOUSNESS TO SUBTLE HUMOR A COUPLE NOTCHES DURING THE PLAYOFFS. HOWEVER, THE REFEREE OF THIS CONTEST IS COMPLETELY BIASED, AND SO THE AWARD MAY GO TO SUPERMAN ANYWAY.

“Ben, 1.Fox and George are not stars...” -Blazers

“Even with lopsided officiating last night, crucial games have ALWAYS been officiated in favor of Phil Jackson's teams...the refs have some sort of fear of him.” -Blazers

“Never fear, Laker fans! I'm sure your heroes can win 4 of the next 5 from a team they are 0-6 against this year. Have faith!” Superman

“I understand basketball and played at a high level in high school…” Blazers

“Ben, I never take any of your posts seriously.” Superman

“I guess nobody noticed that the Lakers shot 95 free throws in the two games in LA..twice as many as the Spurs. Sounds like the referees were listening to Phil's whining and decided to give the Lakers a "window of opportunity".....Same bullshit, different year.” Blazers

“Fuck Phil Jackson and the Laker franchise for trying to and succeeding in manipulating the NBA and its officiating. This is not whining on my part......” Blazers

OTHER REALLY DUMB STATEMENTS

“I just don't like to see what happened to the Kings in game 6 last year where the referees gave the game to the Lakers to get a game 7. Pressure for tv revenues, ratings. Makes the sport very questionable imho.” Athos

“C'mon, who was Phil before he couched the likes of the O'Neal/Bryant and Jordan/Pimp'n. How tuff can it be?” Snapper

OMG,

What incredible pictures!!

I particularly like the one that shows the back Phil Donahue's cabeza.

Mas por favor......

Thank You Dogster

Dogster, you have to be the most myopic Laker fan in history. You are never critical of your team.

Blazers,

I know it is none of my business to defend Dogster, but you have to admit it is much easier to be critical of that mob from Portland than the LA Lakers. Not only on the basketball court, but also in just every day activities your team needs some help.

With all the community service those TrailBlazers have each week, it must hurt their practice time.

The natural order of things is for the Lakers to go to the freethrow line more often than their opponents simply because both Shaq and Kobe go aggresively to the basket and cannot be consistently stopped without fouling them.

The numbers should be lopsided in favor of the Lakers not only because they have two unstoppable players, as opposed to San Antonio's one, but also because Duncan is not nearly as aggressive to the rim as the Lakers superstars. As deserving an MVP as there could be, Duncan is not nearly as effective as he could/will be if he starts going to the rim more aggresively. More often than not he is content to just take whatever the defender lets him have and to his credit, effectively make those shots.

To even suggest that refs are biased because they call more fouls in favor of the Lakers is foolish. The refs always have, and always will, call fouls on teams that triple team unstoppable superstars and still find it necessary to foul them to keep them from scoring.