Forget the football wagers! Bet the Yankees!

Every decade a team comes along that KNOWS how to win championships (i.e. the Packers and Celtics in the 60's; the Islanders in the 70's; the Oilers in the 80's; and the Bulls in the 90's, to name a few). This decade it's the Yankees. They KNOW how to win no matter how tough the challenger might look.

Last year, I cleaned up with the Yankees at -140 vs the Mets. I thought the price was a steal. I think it was so low because a lot of bettors believed the underdog angle that the NY rivalry would be the Yankees undoing. It's amazing how many underdog angles there have been in the past as bettors who hate to back the favorite try to come up with a good enough reason to bet the underdog.

This year, the underdog angle says that Arizona's pitching will be the Yankees undoing. I don't believe that for a second, especially now that the Yankees have hit full stride (not to mention the WTC motivation factor). I don't even think that Arizona is that good to begin with, and they're inexperienced to boot. Most challengers fall prey to the "never been there before" inexperienced syndrome when they face a TRUE championship team. This year will be no exception. I haven't seen the line yet but I would bet them up to -300.

Obviously, there's no sure things, and you should only bet what you can afford to lose. But there are some things that you can almost always bet on successfully, and this is one of those things. So do yourself a favor and recover your football losses or make yourself some more dinero if you happen to be in the black already. Put it all on the Yankees. And by the rare chance chance that you lose the bet, you can find solace in the grief of the much too arrogant Yankee fans. It's a can't lose situation.

A Sports fan kind of guy,

Out-of-Towner

Ootie
I think the whole series Yankees opening line was 7 to 5.
I may check into it tonight.

I just saw the Yankees at -135 in the local paper. I just can't believe it! In my opinion, this represents outstanding betting value. If I was in TJ, I'd wager a couple thousand dollars. I'm serious.

Just to reiterate, there is no sure thing in sports, and you should never risk money that you can't afford to lose. However, unless we witness a dramatic shift in momentum (which almost never happens to a championship club), getting the Yankees at -135 is a complete and utter steal (just like last year).

I see the Yankees winning in five games because Arizona will crumble under the game pressure and blood-curdling roars of the fans at Yankee Stadium (in Games 3, 4, and 5). In fact, you can get 5-1 odds on the Yankees winning in five (and 8-1 for an outright Yankee sweep). Go for it!

One other thing: you will never see me ever again tout a sporting event if the Yankees happen to lose. It's the most confident I've ever felt, much moreso than the other two casual previous predictions I made on this board: the Eagles will crush the Cowboys (and they did: 44-0) and Danny Almonte is like a man pitching against boys (and he was later found out to be two years older than he pretended to be).

Damn! Why couldn't I be in TJ or Las Vegas right now? Oh well, it's only money.

A May have to find a local bookie (who is going to Las Vegas of course so as to keep this post completely legal) kind of guy,

Out-of-Towner

This will be one of the best WS match-up we've seen in awhile. Out right, Yanks will win...BUT not by a sweep or in five. They will have to face Johnson&Schilling in 5 of those 7 games. However, Yanks @ -135 is a pretty good steal. Money in the bank!!! (So you could techinically "mong" your chicas now and pay her later with your winning bones).

I'm looking 4ward to the starting pitching match-ups. It doesn't get any better than Mussina faces Schilling and Pettite faces Johnson. This indicates that Torres is hoping to steal one game in Ariz, and then has his ace, Clement, to start at home in game 3.

New Yorkers, the nation, the economy, and MLB need the Yankees to win MORE THAN EVER, and they'll deliver...AGAIN!!!

Opening line at Caliente:

Game 1
Schilling -135
Mussina +110

Whole series
Yankees -110
Diamondbacks -110

Yankees
4 games 8 to 1
5 games 9 to 2
6 games 6 to 1
7 games 5 to 1

Diamondbacks
4 games 10 to 1
5 games 6 to 1
6 games 7 to 2
7 games 7 to 2

Does not this make Diamondbacks slightly favorite?
How about home field advantage in baseball?
My friend is just telling me Arizona wins so I am off.

Sakebomb: but three of those five starts will be on three days rest. Plus, it's gonna be very cold in NY for games 3, 4, and 5 (as in lower 40's).

Athos: If both teams are -110, that means they are co-favorites.

-110???????????????? Oh My God! I gotta go place a bet somewhere! Here in NY it's -135, so there must be a lot of NY fans betting on NY and West Coast fans betting on Arizona.

Attention all mongers! Please do yourself a favor and bet the Yanks. Don't let me have to say "I told you so" later on. An opportunity like this doesn't come along very often.

A Shocked kind of guy,

Out-of-Towner

I just bet the yankees in game 1 at +130. This is absolute theft, in my view. Schilling is an excellent pitcher, but neither he nor his team is used to the pressure they are going to be under. If they DO win, I may go live in the zona for a week or so. (If they lose, I will be taking a LONG holiday from mongering.)

I've been a Yankee fan since the Maris and Mantle home run race followed Popeye each night on WPIX in 1961. I do think the Yankees will win the Series but it will be one tough motherfucker facing rested unhittable Schilling and then Johnson in AZ for games 1-2. This is a classic WS on paper.

If the Yanks don't steal one in AZ, the threat of the Bronx crowd taking the Diamondbacks down a notch in 3-5 evaporates and maybe AZ's big 2 aces get their next starts on full rest. Btw, it will be freakin' November by the time this thing moves east...don't be surprised if a "nor-easter" blows through the Bronx postponing a game or two and eliminating any problems with AZ pitchers getting rest. If the Yanks take one in AZ (and I'll take them to beat the Big Unit) and the NYC weather cooperates, get ready to admire Torre and his champs in yet another post WS celebration.

Although I like the Yankees to win it all in five, I think they are most vulnerable in Game 1, so I wouldn't recommend betting them the first game. Like Erip, I think they will beat Johnson in Game 2 and then run the table at Yankee Stadium (no matter how cold it gets there; and believe me, it's starting to get really cold here: they're predicting low 30's the next few nights).

A Wishing for TJ weather (and other TJ things) not to mention getting away from the Anthrax scares kind of guy,

Out-of-Towner

Mussina and Schilling make for an interesting matchup in game 1. Schilling brings an undefeated post-season record into the series against the always tough Mussina. Schilling has been outstanding but he also challenges hitters and has a penchant for giving up the long ball this year.

I really enjoyed watching a Yankee playoff game in a nearly empty CC recently. I didn't exactly do a seventh inning stretch, but watching Monserat on stage wasn't bad at all!

Celtics

Ouch. Yanks got worked. Mussina choked under the pressure. Torre should have gone with Clemens.

-Superman-

Clemens won't pitch in national league parks because he is a worthless coward pussy who is afraid that he will get nailed when he has to come to bat in retaliation for all the throwing he does at hitters.
I have a feeling that the yanks are going to be a VERY good price today, like +150 or better. I do not see them going down 0 and 2, so I think this is a good bet. (of course I thought the yanks yesterday were a good bet too, for what that is worth.)

Yo Ootie:

You said:
I see the Yankees winning in five games because Arizona will crumble under the game pressure and blood-curdling roars of the fans at Yankee Stadium (in Games 3, 4, and 5). In fact, you can get 5-1 odds on the Yankees winning in five (and 8-1 for an outright Yankee sweep). Go for it!

Looks like everyone who took your advice just lost their bets. Off to Nogi.

Not so humbly submitted.
Diabetic

FWIW, the Yankees are 6-5 when they have lost the first two games of the series.

The Diamondbacks have never lost a World Series when they won the first two games.

Don't you just love statistics?????

Humbly submitted,
Diabetic

Randy Johnson has never won two World Series games in a row, either!

Diabetic:

The Series is far from over. Those who took my main advice (i.e., bet the Yankees to win the Series) haven't lost yet. The Yankees were down 2-0 to Oakland (a better team IMHO) in a best of five series (which is a worse position of course) and still won it all. If you didn't bet the Yankees yet, you can get much greater odds now. Anybody know what the current odds are?

I must say though that the D'backs have looked much better than anticipated (and the Yankees don't have that championship fire yet), but it ain't over til it's over. The only thing that the D'Backs have accomplished is holding serve. A wounded bear is a very dangerous animal.

However, if you don't believe that, you can still make money as follows: if you originally bet the Yankees and now think that the D'Backs will definitely win the Series, you should bet enough on the D'Backs now to recover (or exceed) your Yankee bet.

As for me, I'd stay the course and I won't lose any confidence in my original advice unless the Yankees happen to lose a game at home. Even if they go back to Arizona down 3-2, I still think they can win the last two games. But if not, I'll tip my hat to the D'Backs, laugh at the much-too-arrogant Yankee fans, and as promised you will never read another word of sports betting advice out of me. It's a can't lose situation.

A Never give up kind of guy,

Out-of-Towner

Ootie...Don't worry about it...You aren't alone on this. There are ONLY about 2Bil bones worth of bettings on Yanks side. It's far from over. And since you don't have a proven losing track record like PSlave...just keep on stroking that keyboard.

With Clement & 'Odukque' start game 3&4 in front of 60K+ rowdy home fans, I woundn't be surprise to see this series even up. I might be wrong on this but I think 'Odukque' is unbeaten in the play-off&WS?? Yanks will clear in a full-blown 7games series. The economy & MLB need every single dime that this WS can generate.

For those who like to bash...How about go find a pair of brass balls and state your predictions??? We do like to see yours as much as Ootie's.

Roger pitches a one-hitter.



You asked for brass balls, there ya got 'em.

I think that Arizona HAD to win the first two games. They did, and were quite impressive in doing so, but I don't think it's over yet.

The Yankees have a much more favorable pitching matchup in Game 3, will have a huge home field advantage and if they win the third game, this series will look a whole lot different.

Besides the comeback against Oakland earlier... don't forget what the Yankees did in the (I believe) 1996 World Series. Atlanta won the first two games in NY by large margins and jumped out to a big lead in Game 3. The Yankees came back and won in 6. That Atlanta team was every bit as strong in the pitching department as this Arizona team. (Maddux, Glavine, Smoltz, vintage five years ago, not those over-the-hill guys you saw exit this year's playoffs)

It's not cool for a Philly-area sports fan to be too complimentary of a New York team, so I'll stop here. Arizona did look pretty good in those first two games.

2bil on NY? Somebody's gonna be cryin. The Yankees certainly have the edge in game three with Roger the Dodger on the hill, but look for Schilling to start game four in a short series with The Big Unit to follow. Snakes in five.

Celtics

Ootie:

At the riskof repeating myself, you said:

"I see the Yankees winning in five games because Arizona will crumble under the game pressure and blood-curdling roars of the fans at Yankee Stadium (in Games 3, 4, and 5). In fact, you can get 5-1 odds on the Yankees winning in five (and 8-1 for an outright Yankee sweep). Go for it!"

Thus, everyone who read your words and placed a bet for the Yankees in 4 or 5, lost those bets.

That, and only that, is my point.

Remember, there is only one sure thing in life, and she works in AB!

Humbly submitted,
diabetic

Yeesh. Anyone who took anyone's "word for it" about what to bet on, from an internet bulletin board, deserves to lose their money. Heh.

Seriously, Rocket Roger is my all-time favorite American athlete outside of soccer. I saw him pitch 19 Ks in Toronto in about 95 ... does that sound right? can't remember the date ... and I gotta tell ya a story.

He got his 18th K for a late out in the 8th inning, or maybe the 9th. Late in the game. The bullpen was warming up, and the manager came to the mound. He turned the manager away (I was in the nosebleeds but I could see him effectively say, "No, I can get the next guy") and went to pitch. The manager went back to the dugout without changing pitchers.

Then, Rocket Roger stopped, bent over, stood up, and looked at the fans. We were about 20,000, it was late in the season. Skydome is a beautiful, modern stadium, with excellent sightlines to every seat. He looked at me personally. Everyone around me felt like he looked at him personally. We all then felt a "collective electricity" and a guy ten seats away from me later said, "He took that energy from me. I felt it. Did you feel it?" And I agreed, I felt it.

It was the single most para-normal experience of my life.

And then Roger pitched his 19th K. Wowee.

I really ought to look up the specifics of that game, and get it all down. I do remember who I was there with, and what the scene was, but I don't currently remember if it was 19 or 20 Ks, who the opponents were, what the inning was. I'm sure some internet site could help me figure out the game stats.

Anyway, I'm a rational guy, I don't believe in X-Files type stuff. But I did FEEL Roger "take" energy from me, and people I didn't know three rows away said the same thing afterwards. People in the tunnels leading out of the stadium said they felt it. How? How? Well, that's Rocket Roger.

Didja know his 3 kids are named K, K, and K? Each has a name starting with K. Warped, hunh? Just like David Duke, former leader of the Ku Klux Klan and longtime Louisiana political campaigner. I think Roger's K's refer to something slightly different ...

11/01/01 @ 00:03, "Mr. November" Jeter delivered again...!!! Was it Halloween or New Year's Eve they were celebrating??? It was so great to see New Yorkers and the nation to have something to cheer about. What a game it was!!!

Yeah Yankees..after sweating my ass off they came through like the champs they are. Can't believe the odds on the game. I bet them the Yanks this morning at +115 and again this afternoon at +125 and at game time it went to -125.

won my bets and go yanks tomorrow. Easy 3 in a row.

Alrite...rolling Pecs...since you wanted to buy me a beer a couple weeks ago and since my welfare check hasn't come in yet, you can buy me a chica this weekend...may be two chicas if you win again 2morrow. Awesome!!!

Life long Yankee fan here and picking the Yankees to win it all, but I don't understand how all the scribes and analysts can be digging DBack graves after the Yanks pulled off last night's witchcraft. Granted the Yankees very likely win tonight and go back to AZ up 3-2....then they still have to defeat a very well rested Unit or Schilling (again on short rest but he showed last night it don't matter...at least for 90 pitches). I'm still sweating this one out!

It's far from over, but last night's loss had to take some wind out of the D-backs' sails. They played every card they had, and still lost. If Arizona ends up losing the series, Brenly has to take some heat for his managing last night. I don't question his removing Schilling after seven innings as much as I question allowing his closer to throw 60-some pitches.

The only way Arizona wins tonight is if Batista throws a complete game and holds the Yanks to two runs or less.

This has been a great World Series so far, and with some more drama in the upcoming games, could go down as one of the all-time classics.

Well Farsider, looks like your prediction is proving right....2-0 arizona going into the sixth, and Bautista looks like he can go to the eigth inning ........the problem is that Brenly had Kim throw three innings last night.. so i dont know who he will bring in..maybe 40 year old Mike Morgan?? Even if the dbacks blow it tonight, i cant see the yanks beating johnson or shilling..........

Game 5 is over and the Yanks have done it again...I'm a dyed in blue Yankee fan but it's far from over w/ them facing the Unit and Schilling in the other Zona. I'm just damn proud of the Yanks for hanging in there!

I'd say something right now, but I can't see to well to type, seems to be raining inside my eyelids.

The BK in B.K. Kim stands for Back to Korea.

Hats off to the Yankees for their uncanny ability to capitalize.

Sadly submitted
diabetic

Kim is going the way of Niedenfeur and Donny Moore. Poor dude. Brenly is a little league manager. They ought to get a 24 hr suicide watch on Kim until this thing is over. How many people simultaneously said, "What the F*$k?" when they saw Kim on the mound in the ninth? Unbelievable. Incredible. One for the ages. Shit, I thought I was a gambler.

As a sports analyst, I know that I should be proud of correctly predicting the result of four of the first five World Series games.

And as a sports fan, I know that I should be appreciating the incredible drama of the past two evenings, the kind of excitement that can only be hoped for every time a major athletic event is viewed.

And as a NY sports fan, I know that I should be celebrating the second and third greatest World Series comebacks in baseball history (next to the Mets in '86), and that both unbelievably occurred two nights in a row.

And as a New Yorker, I know that I should be appreciative that the Yankees, with their special championship nature and magic, found a way to symbolically win two impossible ballgames, one for each World Trade Center building.

But instead, being the kind of human being that I am, the picture foremost in my mind is the agonized look of 22-year-old Kim the Arizona reliever who broke down into tears both on the field and in the dugout after blowing the save for the second night in a row. I find myself thinking about the loss of face that he is feeling because his entire homeland of Korea has been meticulously following his career and watching these games on TV. He is their only native son who plays American baseball, and he has failed them miserably. I find myself wondering if he will ever recover from this personal tragedy.

If the only way that Kim can regain face or avoid permanent scarring is for him to somehow be the hero this weekend, or for the D'Backs to win the last two games even without his help, then so be it. And if so, the disappointment of not winning a fourth consecutive NY championship (and having my original betting prediction be incorrect) suddenly won't really seem that bad at all in the grand scheme of things.

A Mixed emotions kind of guy,

Out-of-Towner

I wonder if Kim will ever recover .... he is the Bill Buckner of this series .... I felt bad for him YESTERDAY, and then it happens again today ... the Yanks are amazing, but I'm still worried ... Johnson and Schilling have been virtually unhittable .... I'm almost hoping for a Game 7 -- Clemens Vs. Schilling, but hopefully they can wrap it up against Johnson.

-Superman-

Ootie,

That is mighty large of you to feel that way and share your thoughts. I too am a "New Yorker" but haven't liked the Yankees since the mid '80s. (Steinbrenner), I hated the guy in those days. I felt equally sad for Kim and hope he finds some redemption. It would also be nice to see all those Championshipless Vets in Arizona win a ring. I'm always rootin' for the underdogs, that's why I'm a Knicks and Rangers fan. Thanks again for showing your human side.

KnickHer

I would love to see Clemens get the chin treatment. Maybe Schilling will be getting a call from Piazza.

KnickHer

Wow weeze...Brenly can be criticized and Kim turned into a goat, but this is pure full moon Halloween sorcery...a spell cast by the powerful St. Looey mystic - Yogi Berra. Because it's gone down the way it has with these spirit crushing last minute miracles, I'll be amazed if AZ can be resilient enough to win the next 2, even if they had Sandy Koufax and Walter Johnson pitching.

If Johnson gets them through Game 6, I guess it will be Schilling v. Clemens in Game 7...think there will be any intensity in that one?

Message to Joe Torre if you're a clubhombre member: Please do not make us Yankee fans and Yankee bettors have to look at David Justice at the plate in the final game(s) unless you've got a 10 run lead late in the game. I'm begging you paisan!

No one will be stupid enough to throw at Clemens. It would be an auto-eject. Then again the Arizona manager is an idiot ...

-Superman-

Ootie, I share your compassion for Kim...the new "agony of defeat" mascot. But I'd trade places with him and take his suffering, along with his paycheck (and those to come). I don't mean to sound cold, but that's the ultimate redemption of contemporary professional athletes...blow the big game, and collect a 7 figure check. Kim's probably not exactly there yet, but he will be when his contract expires if his arm holds up. This guy throws GAS with this submarine delivery. He's going to have a great and lucrative career ahead of him.

Btw, he's not the only Korean playing MLB...there's at least one other, Dodger's Chan Ho Park, but Kim is only Korean to appear in a World Series.

KnickHer, they won't be throwing at Clemens in a World Series Game 7...not a good winning strategy in a must game - especially if Schilling would get run for it. Wouldn't that be something?

Yeah Yankees!!! They make me sweat my ass off but I keep collecting the $. Wish they would have blown em out instead and lost my over bet.

I've won 4 out 5 and will wrap it up tomorrow in game 6.

I'm not saying to actually bean the guy. Just brush him back a little, you know get his uni a little dirty. Maybe scribble Piazza's name on the ball. But I do agree that it is not a good idea given the magnitude of WS Game 7. I could dream though, but stranger things have happened in this world series already.

I first became aware of the Yankees in the early fifties, at the tender age of four, when my older brother proudly wore his Yankees hat during the World Series. (The twit always rooted for sure winners.) Of course, I immediately hated the Yankees and began pulling for the Brooklyn Dodgers, primarily 'cause they were the best chance at the time to dethrone the champs.

And I've continued to hate them, suffering through their winning streak in the early fifties, through the Maris and Mantle home-run derby years, and, ugh, through the last few years. But I reveled when Steinbrenner got bad press and was banned; I exulted when they languished out of the playoffs. And now, like some baseball Frankenstein, they just keep coming back to life. I actually had bad dreams last night after the game. That's how much I hate them. It's illogical, unreasonable, I know, but there it is. And I'm not alone.

I saw a poll the other day asking baseball fans if the 9-11 events had made them more sympathetic to the Yankees. A small percentage claimed permanent "Yankee fan" status. An even smaller group claimed to be more sympathetic now toward them. But 49.9% responded that, 9-11 be damned, they still hate the Yankees. I am proud to be among them.

I don't know much or really care about the D'backs as a team, except in so far as they are the last, best, and only hope that right-thinking, law-abiding, fair-minded Americans have left to defeat the Anti-Christ of the diamond. The enemy of my enemy is my friend.

There, I've said my piece. Thanks for letting me vent. Now I'm going to my shrink for some serious therapy 'cause I have a sinking feeling how all this is gonna turn out. November is looking bleaker all the time...

Pretty funny listening to the waiters in AB yelling..."FUCKING CHINO"..last nite..

You have to remember if they throw at Clemens, he is just going to throw back. Nobody can place 98 MPH heat under your chin better than Roger.

-Superman-

Baseball is boring. Did Georgie buy another chsmpionship again this year?

Funny, but I think if you check Arizona has more players acquired via free agency than the Yanks ... so who's trying to buy a championship?

-Superman-

hi

no team can buy a championship.

its all about chemistry.

you can have all the best hitters but if they do not work well together - they will bust.

the pre- 2001 mariners - every one of their hitters were wacking 40 plus homeruns , yet they didnt get jack.

the Yankees are a class team with great chemistry and trust.

even the marlins in the short time they were great had decent chemistry - the vets had a great year the young guys fed off the vets and the pitching all fell into place !

remember the orioles and 91 mets ?>
they spent fortunes on great players that had terrible team chemistry and fell apart.

this has been one exciting world series !!!
next year baseball should be real fun to watch !!
will they fold 3 or 4 teams ?
if so it would be great for baseball i think !!

take care
milkster

Superman is correct. Article in today's L.A. Times reports that a total of TWO players on this Yankee team were acquired through free agency...Mussina and Stanton - not one single position player. All others were brought through the system including key players Jeter, Williams, Soriano, Rivera, Posada, Spencer, Petite - or trades...Martinez, O'Neill, Clemens, Knoblauch. Arizona has many more "bought" players and so do most other franchises. Yankee payroll is super high because the team consists of veteran players who have enjoyed great success. They are winners and they are paid like winners.

"They are winners and they are paid like winners." Yes, and I still resent them. They remind me of the kid in grade school who always spent his vacation somewhere even MORE expensive and exotic than anyone else. He went skiing ... so, the rich kids went skiing, but he didn't do that any more, he went scuba diving. So, the rich kids ...

Blah blah and fucking blah. And so the poor kids like me just laughed about all the one-up-man-ship going on, secretly wishing we could be part of the game rather than just observers.

I'll be the first to admit it, the Yankees are good. They have a well-run organization founded on the principles of winning. That doesn't mean we have to like them. The Yankees are hated partly because they are the rich pricks who are entitled to act like they're entitled to success; but they're also hated merely because the rest of us want a slice of that pie.

Plus, I hate the designated hitter rule, so I nearly ALWAYS root for the National League team ...

As we enter the 6th inning leading 15-0 I am reminded that the Yankee's television revenues are greater than their annual payroll, that is >$100 million per year.

That allows them to do many things that other franchises cannot -- think of hte money they can pour into their farm system, into their facilities for player conditioning and the like.

I'm not begrudging them that money -- it is part of the territory of playing in New York City.

Still, I'd like to see some revenue sharing where:

1. Local television revenues are divided by the total number plus one. Each team gets its own share plus the extra share. So, if the Yankees generated the equivalent of $5 million per team, they would get $10 million (plus their share of every other team's revenues) and all the others would get $5 million. If Montreal generated $50,000 per team, they would get $100,000 (plus their share from everyone else) and all the other teams would get $50,000 from them. Thus, the teams that generate the most would still get the most and the teams that generate the least would still ge the least, but the vast difference between top and bottom would be minimized.

2. Attendance revenue would be split between the two teams playing. Everyone would get some revenue from the total number of games they play, but there would be an incentive to create regional rivalries, since both teams would get a share of the gate. Again, since no one willingly goes to see Montreal play, they would get much less in total team attendance revenue than the Yankees (who play to big crowds everywhere), but again, the gap between top and bottom would be reduced.

Humbly submitted
diabetic

good points diabetic... 15-2 is the final score, and looks like colangelo will get some "heat" for playing new york , new york after the defeat... they really pissed off the yankee players and fans, but oh well ... Game 7, Clemens vs. Schilling, man ....pretty intense, i am going to give the edge to the dbacks, ...their hitters look a lot more at ease at the plate, and the yankee fielding has been downright atrocious , they seem uncomfortable out there....Schilling needs to go at least 6 solid innings ,then you may see Anderson, Bautista, and even the Big Unit out there....