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A well experienced and traveled monger met this girl in help disco about six months ago and fell in love. The feeling appeared to be mutual. During the six months relationship he flew to Rio and spent at least 5 to 10 days with her every month trying to get to know her better. They both have discussed in length about marriage, having kids and raising a family together. During those 6 months the woman never asked for any money.

Her story is that she is 28, divorced from a previous ugly marriage, both her parents died ten years ago; she has one sister whom she is supporting in San Paulo. She goes to hair dresser school 3 days a week and saving money to buy a beauty salon, hates working 3 nights a week at Help disco and wanted to quit soon.

During this six month period she mentioned that a beauty salon came up for sale and she wanted to buy it. She went to the bank and could only get a small loan and her savings were not quite enough so she said she wanted to go to Portugal to work for three months (same kind of job sleeping with men for money). Well, since they both were serious about getting married he decided to invest in their future business by giving her US$3,000 towards the purchase of the beauty salon. After giving her the money, he tried calling her with no result. Finally a friend of hers answered the phone and said that his girlfriend had left and went to Portugal. He then realized that he had been scammed. The money issue he can deal with but the pain associated with a broken heart is much tougher to deal with. I guess "Love is Blind" when you can't see anything else going on around you.

Photo: Help Thief Luciana

sorry to hear it...

Protect your heart
Watch your back
Use your dick

"...she mentioned that a beauty salon came up for sale and she wanted to buy it."

He got clipped.

Add that to the water buffalo story.

Sorry, comrade. Man, I've heard them all. FRom the water buffalo story to the "I'm starting a new business because I don't want to be with other men, just you" story. Last time the girl was going to start a new magazine. Last week I got email from a girl who needed money because she'd been mugged and couldn't work. So I checked in with a friend in Rio who told me this girl had been at Help the night after she emailed me.

Offering advice is a waste of bandwidth, so I won't. I just hope the sadness passes quickly. The only remedy I know is to get to Rio and fuck your brains out with as many different garotas as possible. Get back in the saddle.

Sorry to hear about the guys situation.

The above post is a good reminder to all of us that these relationships/fantasies with whores are all about money.

Sorry man, but there is a reason why the (3 TIME RULE SHOULD BE ENFORCE) at all times!!!

Just fuck the whores and move on to the next this way you want allow yourself to get attach to them, and keep in mind and remember how you met them (selling their ass for $$$).

These girls are players BIG TIME I spend a lot of time in Brazil these girls are VERY GOOD it would take me months to tell you all of the games that some of them have told me about some of the games they have played on JOHNS/TRICKS, they would laugh and say KidCisco let me take you to dinner tonight, I just got $$$ from this (GUY) from the USA, or I be back later I am going to go and pick up some $$ that some dumb ass Gringo is sending me from the USA etc. etc.


Just be glad she ONLY took you for $3,000 trust me I know some of these whores that was playing 4 to 5 guys at the same time taking in that much each month from EACH GUY, and guess what? the whore was still selling her damn pussy each and every night.

AFTER 6 months of you fucking the whore (for free??) she was just setting you up for the BIG PAY DAY every time you fuck her in advance (for free??) she was just waiting to paid in fuck you at the end.

I do feel sorry for you man, but this should be a lesson to all the guys on here NEVER forget these are whores its ok to dance with them take them to dinner and all the other bullshit, and treat them with respect, BUT don't let them trap you in their world of lies and bullshit, or DON'T try to fool yourself into thinking you are the special one or she is not like the other whores, or she is different etc. trust me their BIG PAY DAY is coming.

There are MANY non programa girls in Brazil that you can take a chance with BUT NEVER WITH A WHORE!!!!

I have told so many of these whores that they need to be careful because one day they will play the wrong Gringo and they could get hurt, it does no good they just laugh.

Guys, save your time I don't care if you think I am being cold etc. I will always tell it like it is.

Thanks for sharing your pain, maybe the next guy will have his eyes open and want fall into the many traps these whores have.




KidCisco

thanks dude for sharing your story. I bet there's a few more guys out there who were taken advantage of but are reluctant to share their story. I have seen this girl a few times in Help Disco she was always getting hit on by a lot of our African-merican men. She is a big girl with solid built body. We should start posting more pictures of scam artist so others can stay away from, especially newbies who are going to Rio for the first time.

I believe the way to avoid emotional traps is to think them through ahead of time. Having a "real" relationship with a provider is a typical example. I have decided, as a rule, not to enter such a relationship. I will explain my reasoning, but please be forewarned: This may be too "scientific" for some people's tastes.

When you have a rule against something, you are in effect disqualifying your own judgment in the real situation. I do trust my judgment quite a bit, even in emotional situations. Why then would I second-guess myself in this way? The following explains why, starting from a completely different example.

Assume there is a reliable test for detecting a disease. If the person has the disease, the test returns a positive 95% of the time. If the person does not have the disease, it returns a negative 95% of the time. Now assume that you are using the test on a population that has 1% incidence of that disease, and a person tests positive. What is the probability that this person actually has the disease?

Well, you may be surprised that the probability in this case is less than 20%. It is not difficult to compute (simple Bayes rules), but it is a bit counter-intuitive. The moral of the story is that the statistics of the population are decisive in interpreting the test result, even if the test itself is quite reliable.

What the heck does this have to do with relationships with providers? Assume that your judgment about people is correct 95% of the time. You probably get a lot of positive reinforcement, and trusting your judgment will become a second nature. Even assuming that your judgment remains intact in emotional situations, the statistics of the provider population is enormously tilted against you (I would not consider a 1% estimate of sincerity to be exaggerated). In this case, you are making a judgment that you think is 95% good, when it is actually worse than 20%.

Go grab the Tylenol, Slicey. ;)

Just a note about the flip side of the coin: what happens if you don't shell out the cash: my married chica friend *finally* stopped calling me when I complained about her *complaining about having no money*. A big relief.

No reason to feel ashamed. Bobby once sat me down about 6 years ago and he told me something that I have come to believe is true. EVERY SINGLE GUY who comes to Rio on a continuos basis will eventually get "taken". If you travel there enough times, you WILL fall in love with a garota and she will send you on a wild ride that you will never forget, most of the time it will end badly. Nobody is immune, I have been taken for a few grand myself. I just look at it as a learning experience and I keep moving.

Broken hearts and Mongers go together quite well.

They just never learn.

I hate to say he is right but Mr Tuff Guy Kidsisco is correct on this although none have taken me out to dinner

These girls are there to make money not make relationships.

MOst have tuff guy boyfriends they support or give most of their money too.

If you are going to another country to pay for sex than just do that my friend. Don't get all involved with " my mother needs this , my sons needs new eyeballs , Milky needs rent money.

They do it to all lot of guys and know the ones that will cave in and give them the money.

Tell her in a sympathetic way I am sorry here is 60 dollars for our session. I will see you on our next session and just walk away.

I see all kinds of scams and have helped mongers from being scammed in TJ.

I will never fall for a scam and never will !!! Why becuase my mind set is very strong and I have a tuff guy state of mind.

These girls get nothing from me and I make it clear from the very beginning !!! Ben and others as my witnesses I let them know right away I do not fall for their schemes and stories. I just tell them the same thing they tell you guys and they looked shocked.

I see girls all the time that claim to have no novios with thier novios at local Swap meat and such.

Don't think with your heart think with your dick when you monger and you will be fine !!!

if you plan on giving a whore 3 k. Give me a call wire me 1.5 k I will kick you in the balls and you will save 1.5

"EVERY SINGLE GUY who comes to Rio on a continuos basis will eventually get "taken"

ya if your a wimpy monger that might happen

I do feel bad for this guy but this is reality not Fantasy world. I tell it like it is and thats how it should be.

I am sorry your heart was broken but will you fall for this again ??

Not all girls are scammers and some are very nice and fun to be with. Pay for your session and thats it remember this is a job and never take anything personally and you will be fine.

Good Luck
Milktuff

It is probably Milky sending those ladies down to the local Internet cafe to write those love filled needy e-mails to lonely mongers far away. How does he support himself otherwise? J/K

I have an interesting perspective on this phenomenon with non pro Asian girls which I assume operate much the same as working girls everywhere, though perhaps more skillfully. As I have mentioned before I work in an office full of Lao and Isan Thai girls. Two of them are continually trying to scam guys they meet on Yahoo chat. I watch them work there evil skills every day plus I have slept with both of these girls in the past (they are married and big sluts as well) and I still maintain a close friend type relationship with them so they tell me about there exploits. It is amazing to watch them work. The one girl is married, has slept with at least 5 guys I know of plus me, yet when she chats with someone she has met on-line she plays this shy innocent naive Asian girl that was a virgin when she married, never had sex with any man other than her husband and never even has sex with the lights on. Guys line up for it. I have seen a few guys get burnt for thousands in gifts and cash. As of this last week alone a Swedish guy just finally figured out he was burnt for $5000 (he's freaking out and acting like psycho now)and an Asian guy has sent flowers 4 times, bought a cell phone and is being reeled in for the big kill (they burn Asian guys just as often as white guys). One good one is "oh I want to leave husband and be with you but I need $2,000 for divorce attorney". But here is the worst part. They do this so convincingly that a few times I felt sorry for a guy and tipped him off that he was being played and STILL even after the warning, the gifts and stuff continued. They think I am the asshole meddling in there affair. The guys are so love struck by these sluts that even if you tell them strait to there face what is up they ignore it. Now I give up. I have a friendship with the girls that doesn't cost me a dime, in fact they bring me food every day, and I am amused by there antics so I just watch them work. If anyone ever dreams of falling in love with an Asian girl let me say that after the level of deception I have seen out of these girls and the level of skill and ruthlessness with which they operate. Don't ever fall for an Asian girl. These aren't even pros. I assume this applies to working girls in general. That said, Asian girls are great friends if you don't give them money and great sex partners if you do give them just enough money. Just don't ever loose your heart to one.

I am Sancho, what a scary post. It should be kept in a special file where everyone who joins the site must read first.

If what you say is true, what does that do to the popular theory that only American women are shits while the rest of the world is filled with warm loving women who are eager to meet their American male soulmate?

Could you introduce me to these women so I can play thr stupid gringo until I get to fuck them?

Milkman says: "...my sons needs new eyeballs..."

I haven't laughed that hard in a long time!!

Then he said this, "...if you plan on giving a whore 3 k. Give me a call wire me 1.5 k I will kick you in the balls and you will save 1.5..."

Now I can't stop laffing...

Fascinating discussion.

Even the tuffest of all tuff guys, MrBill (NOT!) got taken once, sort of. But it was only $300, and I got a quick nut out of it.

Sancho - fascinating stuff!! Thanks for sharing, man.

MrBillO^™- ~ Your hapless lapdance reporter... ~

Six months X 5 days per month = 30 days.

$3000 / 30 days = 100$/day.

Not bad for a long term rental rate -- little high.

Dem Calculatin' Gnomes

Laotian girls are the most evil of the bunch, not that Laotian people are evil, it's just that Laotian-Americans have an extremely high rate of incarceration for such a small community in the U.S. and very high welfare rate. All of the people I met in Laos were wonderful...not sure where they learn how to be so fuckin' evil when they get to the U.S.

I took a Cambodian chica from San Diego out more than a year ago.

She was simply amazing but just from one date I could see how money hungry she was !
Milky and money hungry chicas just don't mix wait who am I kidding Milk and money don't mix.

We only lasted one date. Actually she took me to this really nice CHEAP Thai buffet place to eat near Clairmont Mesa Blvd.

Well back to the story she was simple amazing looking. Matter fact if we were to have sex I would have to shoot everything in there and make little Cambodians but she was such a stuck up snobby cunt that i couldnt stand to be with her.

Everything with her was money like when we stopped at the gas station she wouldnt pay for my gas and guess who sprung for the damm dinner?

My first dinner that I ever paid for in San Diego.

Seriously I never called her back and a few weeks later she set me up with one of her friends so I guess I made some sort of good impression.
But back to the story a lot of the asian girls around here are very money hungry.

Wait a second how did we get into this asian talk ??? Sancho is to blame I guess ;)

Mr Bill I live to make you laugh and smile
I hope some day to take you under my chicken wing and turn you into a certified tuff guy

I hope our friend learned a lesson
Milktuff

Laotians are the nicest people I know. They are very good to me, they are my friends and I enjoy very much participating in there world. They bring me offerings of "food" almost every day and they treat me very respectfully. But...... There relationships turn into disasters. There families are disasters. There personal lives turn into disasters. Fine if you watch from the outside or are casually involved. A total disaster for you if you become emotionally involved or tied into any kind of obligation with them. I think that the women when they come to the US realize that the limits imposed on them back home are unenforceable here because the legal system will always take there side in this country. I believe this is common to women from many other countries. They take this as licence to run wild and behave as they feel with no regard to the effects or consequences. They all gamble. Allot. They are the most envious people around. If one lady has a Lexus, they all want a Lexus. One lady gets a diamond, they all want a diamond. It feeds on itself. The two ladies that actively pursue guys on-line make a contest out of it. One girl gets a gold chain from one of her guys, so the other one to top it starts pressuring her guys for diamond rings. A contest of which can exploit the most out of her guys. I think the one girl only fucked me because the other girl was after me and I wasn't interested in her. I think the first one didn't even really want to fuck me she just did it to top her friend like in I got your guy. Then I fucked the other one too. Then the pressure for money and gifts got heavy. (OK I admit I did buy a $400 gold chain for one girl but I knew at the time that was payment for services, 6 sessions I got out of it though the girl didn't see it that way) No more money came from me so now we are just friends. Laotians are a weird bunch. Evil to the core and the most good hearted people on the planet at the same time. This weekend I was at a Lao engagement party in south San Diego. It was attended by "Oriential Mafia" gang members, there parents and grandparents, small children, business guys in suits. Everyone got totally hammered on Cognac which young ladies would come around and pore a shot for you every 10 minutes. Party with them or any of the working ladies and have a blast but NEVER FALL IN LOVE WITH ONE. I have seen more disasters than I can count.

Milkey, I sometimes get Asian girls and working girls confused. Sometime I think they are interchangeable since they both want money for sex and will use a man for whatever they can get out of him if given an opportunity and any sort of emotional hold. I believe the chica mentality is the same and the warnings that should be heeded by weak hearted mongers are equally applicable.

Sancho, you are a genius.

Milky, there is no hope of me EVER becoming a tuff guy If you can make me a tuff guy there's a Nobel Prize in it for you ;-P

MrBill - ~ The consummate pushover... ~

Mr Bill, Sancho is funny but hardly a genius. Some of you morons extrapolate your pathetically limited experiences with a couple of Loatian ex-whores and say that about all Asians.

'Asians' is such a general term. Are you talking about a Thai, or a Japanese, or a Korean, or a Malay, or a Malaysian Chinese, or an American Chinese, 1st, 2nd or 3rd generation? I could go on forever. They are not the same.

There are many good Asian girls but they are simply beyond the reach of the average mongers. You mongers hang around 2nd and 3rd world prostitutes and don't have access to the nice Asian girls. And then you form your opinions around whores and porn stars.

In fact nice Asian girls are among the hardest to score compared to other races. They tend to go out with guys of the same race. The ones who date outside their race are usually either slutty types, troubled types or assertive types.

Take it from Dick Johnson.

DJ, good post.

Even from my limited white-boy exposure to Asians I find a huge differences in attitudes within each nationality based upon weather they were born in Asia or how many generations their family has lived in the United States.

To get back to the subject, one generalization I think can be made is that westerners(especially Americans) have a need for immediate gratification. Instead of investing time pursuing civilian girls many go to mongering destinations to find someone to fill that emotional need in their lives.

Think about it guys. Why would a woman looking for a partner want a whore-monger? And let me quote a bar-girl I know when asked why she isn't married, "Who would want to be with a puta?" The answer to her question is some dumb gringo gluten looking for immediate gratification.

I do not extrapolate my experience with a few Laotian and Isan Thai Americans to all Asians. I always try to be specific about who I am talking about. And The topic of the thread is ex-whores. But here is what I will blanket apply to ALL monger Asian girl relationships. You can not possibly have the slightest clue what kind of girl you are dealing with from a few meetings. You can not possibly know what kind of girl you are dealing with from endless hours of chat or hundreds of e-mails, or hundreds of hours spent on the phone. I see guys get burnt by this all the time. If any one falls in love based on any of the above the odds are hard against you and you are relying on luck. The only way you could have a good chance of a workable long term nonexploitative relationship is if you know the girl in her real life for an extended period of time. Only then can you have a chance of knowing what you are dealing with. Also how they act in Laos, or Isan (these are the girls I know) can be very different from how they act in San Diego. I can list at least 12 guys I know of that have been burnt hard by these girls and I know of only one single asian/white marriage that has worked out. The statistics for asian/asian marriages don't seem much better to me either. So again here is my blanket statement I apply particularly to Asian women and working women, and really apply to all women. The only way you could have a good chance of a workable long term nonexploitative relationship is if you know the girl in her real life for an extended period of time. Otherwise it is best to just stick to mongering which is much easier in my opinion.

Here is the funny part. As I sit here in my office surrounded as by 8 Isan Thai or Lao girls. At this very moment, One Lao secretary sitting 10 feet from me is simultaneously working one guy on her cell phone(the phone that another guy gave her a month ago)and chatting through Yahoo with another. She has a large flower arrangement on her desk from the guy that gave her the phone. They all think she is a shy innocent Asian flower. None of those guys are likely to even get sex for there expensive gifts. Through my window I see an Isan QA inspector in the office outside mine. She last month burnt a Swedish guy for $5,000 "to pay her credit cards because she can't leave her husband until this debt was paid" she blew the entire $5,000 in a single night at the casino. Swedish guy took out a bank loan to send her that money. Right at this moment I can see she is chatting with the next victim on Yahoo chat. At least he will probably get some sex. This is my view right at this moment in time. A normal day in the office.

It seems to me that a few guys on this board are getting rather "Pissy" over nothing.

I and most on this board(I am guessing) realized that I am Sancho was relating his personal experiences and was not including all asian women of the world as being like many he has met in San Diego.

I found it interesting and enlightening as to what is going on regarding the scams these women are pulling.

Now how do I get my condo back?

Ben i can't beleive you are admitting to the condo you bought for Sugar pie .

I thought that was a shhhh deal that you didnt want anyone to know about.

Yes its pretty pitifull you buy her a car then she says I need more security and then you buy her a condo and she moves in her boyfriend and cuts you out of the loop.

Don't worry we will get her back
When are you gonna stop the 1200 monthly payments to her ?

Milk

You Bastard.

Thanks for telling the world what a fool I am. My only saving grace is most already knew.

IamSancho, gotta agree with DJ. You keep using the term Asian to describe the Lao and Isaan girls around you, but the behavior you describe is a far cry from what you will find with Japanese, Chinese or Korean women. They are definitely not one and the same.

I know a substantial number of successful "Asian"/Caucasian marriages up here in the bay area, but the vast majority of these involve women who are from Northeast Asia, or are 2nd and 3rd generation Asian American. I don't know any Laotians here, and the Thai population is very small as well. But to back up your point, the few relationships that I've been aware of with women from Thailand have ended in disaster. But not all "Asians" are like the girls around you, just like there are some big differences between us "Caucasians" from different countries.

But your point is well-taken about the scamming. You are dead on and people need to be ultra-aware of that shit.

OK I admit I use the term "Asian women" in ways that taken out of the context of the entire paragraph could be interpreted to include Asians other than the Lao and Isan Thai that I refer to. But in context. I always specify Lao and Isan Thai. I even draw the distinction that I am talking about Isan Thai and not "real" Thai. Perhaps I should further draw the distinction that I know Lao Lum (lowland Lao) and not Hmong Lao. I thought it would be obvious I did not refer specifically to Koreans, Japanese, Chinese or whatever. In any case nationality is not even the point. The point is that working women everywhere perpetrate scams on soft hearted men. Putas do it, Garotas do it, Pooying, do it. Nice office girls from respectable families do it. I believe Lao Lum and Isan Thai girls in my office offer an effective case study in how they operate. I have seen them take down plenty of men.

Hey I_am_sancho,,how do I get in touch with these women?? LOL
Thanks for your posts.

I for one, enjoy being taken advantage of by these women, as long as they are young, pretty and have hard bodies.

I was gonna say gee only 3k ???

Ben sees that as a good weekend

I am sancho was it you that told me about this asian club at IB ? i know about trophys I have been there before and don't like all the parolees hanging around there.

take care
Milktuff

I do not go to IB or Asian clubs. I believe trophy lounge is Philipina navy wives but I have never gone there. I was a parolee though. I don't think Lao Lum oe Isan Thai girls (have to be very specific so as not to confuse anyone)would go to IB. They like hip hop clubs downtown or Indian casinos. The Lao guys love TJ zona roja. There Lao house parties or weddings in rented halls are best. I work with them all day. My office space is shared with one, and outside my door are 7 more. Many lao guys in the shop. Viet and Cambodian too. I am one of the few white guys left. I truly am a minority in my own country. We hired one 5 years ago and now half the Lao in San Diego work here. I love them but it is like a god damn Jerry Springer show around here. Since this morning something blew up in one of these Lao girls on-line romances. There is some major drama going on. Not sure what yet though. I could write hundreds of pages of the complex games these girls play. It is amazing to watch them work there evil magic.

Ben,

Now I feel better about what a fool I am. Thanks.

Milkman says: "...my sons needs new eyeballs..."

Can I have one too?

Just
Curious

First off, commiserations to the monger who got duped. I really hate scams of any type but it does seem worse when the love angle is thrown in.

For once I agree with some of KidCisco's post even if it was laced with the usual doses of hyperbole. Now if we could stop him including the phrase "telling like it is" in every post.

There is some good advice above. Again, just try and remember that at the end of the day they're hookers. Treat them with respect yes, but if you think Help or Termas girls are going to make good wives then you are mistaken.

I can only add one of my own anecdotes.
Last year, my friend fucked a woman for from Help. She was older (30s) but in good shape and well turned out in expensive clothes. She was a Brasileira who worked for HP in the US and had told the hubby she was in Rio "shopping". She was also an ex-Help girl and was back there presumably to see if she could still hack it.

Moral (yet again) : There's no such thing as an ex-hooker. My own take is that guys vying to pay money to sleep with you is kind of addictive. It's analogous to our situation in that we're addicted to fucking new pussy. Can anyone seriously consider meeting someone so wonderful that they wouldn't ever fuck another garota? Why should it be different for them?

And it's not just putas. I love, dare I say am practically addicted to Brasileiras. Am I actively trying to get serious with one? No. IMO, to have a successful LT relationship (I'll wash my mouth out) I believe you need to be compatible on an intellectual and emotional level. Sharing the same sense of humour also a plus.

Me : Well educated cynical professional, cold and analytical emotionally with fondness for irony, sarcasm and good manners.
Not saying whether these good or bad but they are not qualities found in abundance in your average Brasileira. Even supposedly well-educated "patricinhas" are pretty light between the ears. Perhaps if I worked down there I might meet someone but in Help or 4x4, I don't think so.

Having gone to the effort of sharing all that I know it's a waste of time because there is a lot of "it won't happen to me" about. I know because it won't happen to me.
I feel there are two types of mongers. Those who get pussy anyway in the US etc. and those that don't. The former group are mongering because they appreciate the variety and the extra enthusiasm that brasileiras have in bed. The latter are mongering to fill a gap that exists in their lives. This leaves them more susceptible to becoming smitten and being taken for a ride IMO. The unfortunate thing is the girl's are adept at knowing which guys to tap up. I've never received any of the sob stories or emails but like KC have heard a lot of the stories from the girls' side (literally as they've been in bed with me at the time).

Thinking about it the old maxim of "if it seems too good to be true then it probably is" applies to love as well as everything else. If an attractive young brasileira is "in love" with a FOBU gringo then he's got himself to ask what's really in it for her.

Hope I haven't offended anyone. I guess I'm just trying to tell it like it is.

I just want to know what kind of work Sancho does that he is surrounded by Lao and Issan girls who do nothing but pull scams on their cellphones. What kind of resume do you need for this employment ???

Its amazing the number wives that return to work in Help when they come back to Brasil!! I have met so many women over the years who tell their husbands (European & American) that they want to return to Brasil to see family, friends, etc... They go home to see mom for a couple of days and then head straight for Copa. I have tried to ask some of them why they do it, but I have never gotten a straight answer. I guess they just miss the "life".

hi thumper! i still have to meet one who doesent return to mabs or meia pataca and then to help.

They ALL return to Rio!! I have never seen a single marriage with a programma girl work, whether to an American or European. EVERY SINGLE GIRL has eventually returned to Rio and headed back on the track (Beach, M.P,Help).

What I was talking about was women who were still in the marriage, who come back to Brasil under the pretense of visiting family and wind up at Help.

I remember talking to a girl on the beach in front of Mabs who I hadn't seen in 3 years. I knew she had gotten married and then moved to Cali, she told me that she was in Brasil to see her mother and to bring her 2 year old son to meet her family. Her cell phone started ringing and she jumped up and sprinted towards the sidewalk. When she returned I asked her why she took off running and she said it was because she didn't want her husband to hear American voices in the background. If he had heard english then he would know what area of Copa she was in and what she was doing. Her husband was thinking she was in Brasil to visit her family and meanwhile she was in Help every night of my trip.

Khun_mor, I am a CNC programmer. I write programs for CNC machines. The company makes parts for communications satellites, missiles, secret military projects and such. These parts are very tiny. We have a whole gang of Lao and Isan girls that hand finish the parts working under microscopes all day, just outside my office door. Tiny hands are good for this work. We used to hire white girls and Mexican girls but they always quit after a few weeks because the job is so tedious and basically it really sucks working such tiny parts by hand under a microscope all day long. Then we hired a Lao girl. She loves the work, brought all of her relatives and friends who we were happy to hire because they don't quit after a few weeks and are very hard working. They love the work. Then the QA inspector job opened up. This job has a computer workstation. Isan girl got that job. Now armed with a computer on the network. Scams begin. Then the production scheduler job opened. I share my office with this girl. Isan girl got her Lao friend in on that. This job also has a networked computer workstation. All the time Lao men were getting jobs outside in the machine shop. Then the machine shop manager died. A very qualified Lao guy was in line to take his place. One of the scamming Lao girls slept with the company VP (30 years older than her) Now she has him wrapped around her finger and got more friends in the front office and assembly dept. Lao girls treat me good though. But I am the only falung dude in the office, English is not spoken much any more. I am seriously outnumbered but the girls are very sweet and flirt all the time and try to get me to marry there relatives back in Laos. They basically import there home life to work. The girls start cooking "food" right in the office for lunch everyday. Dicing green papaya and such. Rice steamer running under a desk. But I also see first hand the gambling, the sleeping around, the scamming, the playing men, the envy. The two girls with computers and net access are on it all day or on the phone. The gifts keep poring in. Flowers, jewelry, cell phones, cash and more. Mexican guys in the shop wager on who the recipient will be when a flower boquet is delivered. All of these ladies are married by the way. To Asian guys but many of them cheat all the time. I know more about it than they even tell each other because they attempt to hide it to some extent from other Lao but don't care if I know. It is like a contest to them to make the most men fall in love with them. It is amazing to watch. I have the phone in the office so when the ladies take noncellphone calls from there men I usually answer so I know of know who is in the lineup at any given time. I could write 10 pages on the drama that unfolded just today alone. Every day it is something new. I really love those ladies though, Just from a safe perspective and without any cash on the line. The flirt with me and bring me "food" so they are alright with me. But man I could tell stories. How about the Vietnamese guy un the US 10 years, works in the machine shop. Barely speaks English. He should know Vietnamese women as well as anyone. Flew to Viet Nam. Married a "virgin Viet girl from a good family" that was arranged for him by family. Came back and started immigration process to bring her over. 9 months later she arrives. 6 months pregnant with "his" kid. She goes wild, spends all his money, (SE Asian women generally have total control of the mans money in SE Asian marriages) gets another BF, marriage lasts a year, she takes everything he has, he loses his house, has to pay child support for "his" kid from the 12 month pregnancy, and she splits with her new BF. This is a Viet Nam native. How could a white guy expect to do better. (to be fair Viet marriages do so to work better than Lao. In a number of cases I do know very business like, calculating Viet girls that at least work as a teem with the husband to be mutually successful even if a little colder than Lao girls. I really do love Isan, Lao, Cambodian, and Viet people though. I will never understand how the really think but I get a kick out of observing there antics.

Ben writes: "I for one, enjoy being taken advantage of by these women, as long as they are young, pretty and have hard bodies."

That's what it often comes down to in the end.

I am Sancho writes: "Tiny hands are good for this work."

Back in the 60s or 70s there was a US senator from California, a former actor, who infuriated many when he claimed that the Bracero program was needed for California agriculture because Mexicans were better suited to pick strawberries since they were shorter then Americans. I picked strawberries one afternoon and decided that the best pickers would be either midgets or people with no legs at all.

Thumper writes: "I have tried to ask some of them why they do it, but I have never gotten a straight answer. I guess they just miss the "life"."

Maybe it falls into the same behavior as married guys who monger on the side. And if you can paid for doing it at the same time..........

Tight Fit writes: This thread is really entertaining. I am Sancho, don't take shit from anyone and keep posting about your officemates. Short of actually living in the country (Laos) for an extended period of time, you probably have a much better understanding of how these people are than most.

"I am Sancho writes: "Tiny hands are good for this work."

I can think of another type of work that Asian women's tiny hands are good for. Mmmmmm, Asian women's tiny hands. Barely able to grip around.......Drifting off into a daydream now............ 9 days until I arrive in Thailand.

I think Lao women in Laos act very differently than in the US. Basically they have a very strict code of behavior they have to conform to in Laos through various social pressures and a legal system that will stay out of family problems. If a girl misbehaves the guy will talk to her parents and it will be dealt with through family pressure. Here the girls realize that no one can control them. There is no consequences for misbehaving. If the marriage becomes bad for her she can divorce and come out with a load of cash. If the guy threatens her, she can call 911 and have him taken away. They are VERY aware of the lack of consequences for being bad in the US. To me it seems like it takes them aprox. 2 years usually to figure it out. I bet if you took a wife or Mia noy in Laos and kept her there, she would treat you like a king for all of your life but bring her here and your odds are bad. Stay here and send money to Laos and your odds are bad. The real bottom line is you never know a person, particularly someone of another culture that is foreign to you unless you see them behave in there daily life for an extended period of time. A slut or a whore of any culture can very convincingly play the sweet innocent almost a virgin. Here is the other funny part. Allot of the guys that get played never even get sex from the girls. They play sweet innocent, very shy Asian girls. "My husband never see me naked with lights on. I to shy. I just ugly asian girl" "I to shy to let man see my body" "You will run away if you see my body" The guy gets burnt for a few hundred dollars (or more) in gifts, never gets any sex. Then a week later the same girl will go for some guy with that is broke and worthless. Not ask a dime from him. Go on about how she will suck him dry. Have a night of wild sex in a hotel. Never get a penny from that guy. Then go back Monday and tell the guy spending big bucks. "I to shy from you"

Thank you Murasaki and Snapper for your support and broader views.

I have known many classy, generous and genuine Asians. The usually have either good education or money or good jobs.

Quote - Sancho:
"Milkey, I sometimes get Asian girls and working girls confused. Sometime I think they are interchangeable since they both want money for sex and will use a man for whatever they can get out of him if given an opportunity and any sort of emotional hold."

If you go up to an average Asian girl here and offer her money for sex you will get nothing but a slap across your face.

I've known and dated many Asian girls and what is on their minds is finishing college and getting a job.

I have never heard of Asian girls in the USA pulling off scams like this. Not that I doubt what you said is true, Sancho. But it is far from the norm.

-Dick

OK, I am getting painted into a corner here by the political correctness police that I think all women on the Asian continent are a certain way. That is not the case. My next door neighbor is Korean. Nicest lady you would ever want to meet. An Engineer. Seems a very good woman to me. Not however relevant to mongering which is after all what this board is all about. Also not relevant to women scamming soft hearted men. That is the topic here not Asian women. I know Asian women (I will specify Lao lum and Isan Thai since even though I have said it 20 times you are probably still to dense to figure out which Asian women I an specifically referring to) that pull these scams. Therefore I discussed it. Relevant to the topic. You say you dated Asian women and they were classy, generous and genuine. Should I chastise you since you did not specify what nationality they were. Should I assume from that statement that you are claiming that all Asian women are classy, generous and genuine? You drew such an assumption from my statement. Get over it. Political correctness makes me sick. I was merely citing examples of women that scam men which is after all what this thread is about. I could care less about the political correctness police think of my choice of terminology. How bout this. Lots of chump dudes get played for fools by lots of slant eyed yang bitches.

They can be very sweet too though. I would be willing to bet the Asian girls you dated are girls you knew in the real world. Went to class with. Worked with, actually went out on regular dates with ect. Not girls you had an extended on-line romance with, met briefly overseas or met in a whore bar. Go in a Yahoo chat room or a whore bar, meet an Isan Thai girl. Believe what she says. Fall in love. I dare you!

You are obviously some PC liberal since you are willing to completely dismiss the entire point of a statement when taken in context and focus on the fact that a couple of words do not fit your narrow view of what is acceptable to say. I will say what I want and could give a shit less what anyone thinks. If people are to stupid to understand what I mean, I really don't care.

BTW this board is for discussion of whores. You should not be surprised that the focus of the conversation is around the whores of a culture and not about the honor students of that culture. I believe there is a different board for that.

Ok Now make everyone feel better and let us know what you think of white women

Dickjohnson on the other thread I was busting your balls about the meztica statement it was backwards

My choice of dating in San Diego

Latina 1 - Just hot blooded and love sex
Asian 2 - they have nearly the same features and attitudes as latinas
Middle Eastern 3 - I met one the other day that knocked my socks off
Black 4 - Not as prety as the east coast ones but they will do as they love to fuck
Whitey no chance

Of course i will take mix breeds liek the filipinas and Mexican chicas are amazing

I just wanted to lighten up the thread here
What do you guys prefer ?

take care
Milkman

I like ones with holes in them. That is my preference

Which hole?

Front or back hole?

This is important. We want to know whether you like looking at the back for front of their heads when you have inserted your 16 inch long 3 inch thick member.

Good luck.

OH

(Message edited by otrohombre on June 21, 2003)