Looks like we have come full circle.

Kojak,

Certainly there's no rule that one must only post facts, but the information is not very valuable if it's factually inaccurate. So, if you know something you're posting may not be factual (i.e., it's speculation), it helps the rest of us to make that clear. I objected because you said "I know" rather than "I think" or "Maybe."

So I said "I know" the guides don't get kickbacks from the termas. How do I know this? I've been to Rio countless times, visited all the usual (and many unusual) termas countless times. I've gotten to know the managers of most of the termas--to the point where two never charge me admission. I chat with them about business, so I know pretty much how they operate. And I've even introduced one guide to one of the termas and listened in as he and the manager discussed business. And here's the deal: the only thing the guide gets is free admission. No free programs, no free drinks, no free nothing, and no kickbacks. I've gone in and out of termas with guides at least 50 times, even though I've never used a guide. I've been with guides as they've checked out and had to pay their own bar and pussy bill...no discount other than no admission charge. Free admission is no big deal, and the guide can't use "free admission" to pay rent or food costs, so it's of little value to him. It just allows him to be in the termas with his customers, in order to help them out as necessary, while not having to pay for it out of his own pocket. And since all the termas have the same arrangements with the guides, there's no incentive for a guide to steer clients to one termas over another. Seems like a perfectly legitimate business practice to me.

Given all the usual BS that does take place in Brasil (kickbacks to taxi drivers from Termas owners, kickbacks to hotels from taxi drivers, etc.), it's not unreasonable to assume that everyone in Rio is on the take. But in this case the assumption is wrong.

I still don't see the problem with allowing guides to post information here. I haven't seen any of the blatant appeals for business that littered the WSA site. When Don, Karl, Kenn and others post here, it seems to me that it's always been useful information that they've provided. And as you say above we're just here for information and entertainment.

I just want to say that this Kid Cisco guy is representative of the "rough trade" kind of clients here that many of these girls have to endure to make a buck. Fuck him and his kind here these girls deserve to be treated better.

The "guides" know what I'm talking about. Many of these girls are abused regurlarly by these kind of idiots. Guides help to screen out these types. God bless em. Jerry

Hey guys. Let's just bottom line this discussion and get on with having some fun.

If you would like to hire a guide to show you the ropes, help with the lauguage, local customs, where it is safe and where it is not...then by all means, hire one.

If you don't think a guide is useful or valuable for your needs, go it on your own.

Now....let's get back to discussions of women...There was this blond on the beach at Juan Les Pins, between Nice and Cannes......

Sandman

Iggy,

Excellent point! I'm glad somebody finally brought up that subject. Now, you have to take complaints from garotas, and all working girls, with a big grain of salt. If they say they hate it when the Italians come into town for vacation in August and they much prefer Americans, just assume they're probably telling the Italians in August how glad they are that they're in town and have chased off all of the Americans!

But, worldwide, I have heard and believe that complaint about the "rough trade". Regardless of race or nationality, the girls really hate conceited tuff-guy types, at least when they have options. You need to be firm with the girls when it comes to fending off the low-level tricks, whether it's overpriced ficha drinks in Mexico, hostess add-on fees in the snacks in Asia or the sad-eyed pleadings from girls about how mom is sick and needs to go to a doctor so can you give me/loan me $200 to take here yada yada yada..... However, and this is a proven scientific fact (probably), if you treat the girls well - not overspending, not throwing presents around, just treating them like you actually give a shit about their wellbeing and that they're not just a hole to masterbate in - they will recipricate in kind. It's real simple.

Damn straight GCL.... full-fucking circle. Jesus Christ. Also, keep priming for me....

One point that hasn't been said to me is like the elephant standing in the room. I don't know about you guys, but $225 isn't really a lot of money to me at this point in my life, and if it is to you, find a new hobby.


Fuck all of you... I'm going to Rio.

And as an apt conclusion to an inane thread, I’d just like to post a broadcast flame, aimed at every single guy who has joined this board. What a bunch of fucking pansies you are. If you were all REAL men, none of you would need to know or share any stinkin’ information about mongering. No, you’d just arrive in a foreign country at the drop of a hat, flex your biceps, and sniff out the whores. Now that’s REAL adventure. You wouldn’t need to know a god-damn thing in advance. Planning? Information? Advice? Friends? Fuck it all, who needs it! Hours of research? Coward! Shit, if you use the internet, you’re a pantywaist! REAL mongerers don’t need no stinkin’ internet. You’re all a bunch of useless, bloody tampons. So there.

Now let me tell you about the time I arrived, on the spur of the moment, at this little beach between Nice and Cannes. There was this blonde....

OK so what did we decide. can we try this again. Use a Guide or not use a guide? Or was it go to Rio or not to Rio or was it.

More importantly Apt. or Hotel, blonde or brunett, shaved or trimed, short versus tall. But this much for sure minimum a B cup but I prefer nice C's.

Any thoughts??

Murasaki, that's me, your buddy Dick with the nose of a bloodhound went to places with absolutely no info and/or before joining internet sites and found young women to spend time with.

-DJ

Morena, shaved, short, C, bubble bunda, 3-holer.

Glad we're back onto the important stuff.

YIPPEEEEE! Now you are talikng Bwana!

HAYWOODI, I just have one word GREAT post, I don't think I could have said it better, this is what more guys need to do be strong and tell it like it is, don't worry about trying to fit in or worry about coming under attack SO WHAT if someone don't like the way you say something.

Bwana dik, also I enjoyed your post you made my point whenever I went to a new port I gather INTEL from (OLD SALTS) guys that been to the port or Country before. I would go to the USO to get books tapes etc. I would free lance on my own to check out the port I always roll alone this is what my point is about this guide issue.

Newbies/Rookie there is always OLD SALT or Rio vet willing to tell you all about the prices places to go and the going rate FOR FREE without you paying $225.00 or $300.00 for free info.

The reason its important to watch what you pay the girls in just about anything else in RIO because there a lot of guys that never been off the farm before and they have no ideal on what to spend on pussy it want be long before RIO become fuck up like Costa Rica tricks paying whores $200.00 for a 15min fuck, I don't care if a person can afford to pay $5,000 a night for a whore but why pay that if you can get the same whore for $100.00 a night (it want be long before RIO PRICES GET FUCK).

I am willing to match my bank accounts statements with anyone on this site BUT just because I have the $$$ don't mean I should act like a drunking ass sailor spending money like a sailor out on shore leave.


The mind set here need to change rememeber you are in a 3rd world country you aren't in New York.

IGGY: WHAT A JOKE by your name should tell the whole story, talk about "rough trade" is that what the whores told you Iggy that what you was, is that what the girls called you when they see your ass coming and is that why the girls rather not see you Iggy?

The truth Iggy 90% of the time when I go to Rio I don't buy pussy in Rio, I have a few girlfriends that make more then half the guys on here some are singers or models, talking about rough trade talk about yourself Iggy something you should know about you fool.

Ask any girl in the cabin about these guides/pimps that didn't get pointed out by one, they will tell you all about rough trade some of these pimps/guides are some of the worst.

All this talk about nice guy make me sick have you ever met a car salesman pimp/guide that didn't show you his nasty cigar stain teeth when trying to gain your faith so they can gain your bussiness so they can get YOUR $$$ in their pocket of course you are going to think they are nice guys. Being a nice guy doesn't have anything to do with this subject. what we have this debate about is the need for a guide some do some don't if you say so and so is a nice guy SO WHAT.

I know a lot of nice guys in RIO NONE WILL CHARGE ME $300.00 to show me the entrance of the front door of a termas and they wouldn't sit there and point out his stable of whores that he also have on his cellphone speeddial (IS THAT WHAT MAKE THESE GUIDE A NICE GUY?)

The facts are this next time in Rio try this test hire a guide/pimp try to go somewhere desides the TWO termas they want to take you to and see what happens.

For one ONLY certain termas will give some of these maggots a % of how much their customers spend on (whores/drinks/cabin up grades/food etc.) in there.

This is why they will ONLY stir you to certain termas and BAD MOUTH others that don't give them a kick backs.

If a guy is so nice? How many nice guys that you know is willing to pimp out their own wife to work on their chat website? NOW THAT'S A NICE GUY if I ever saw one allowing his wife to show her ass and pussy to the world! to anyone with a cerdit card.

Look I also been going to Rio for a long long time I speak with my INTEL's in Rio almost everyday either by phone or e-mail. Me and my crew will be working sercurity in Brazil sometime in the next month we been hire to work security for a rapper that's going to film a movie/video in Rio, ( if any guys want to speak to me or have a beer with me I will be the short one in my team of security I am only 6'4).

I don't have a lot of time to spend on this subject I am glad to see other guys on here can see threw all this nice guy guide/pimp bullshit and see it for what it is, spend your $$ anyway you want I will not lose sleep over it.

I just wanted to shine some light on all this ass kissing going on with these guides it have made me sick of all this worship and praise on handing over your cash to another man to smile at you and then blow cigar smoke in your face go ahead spend your $$$ if that's make you feel good to each his own, but it would take more for me to say a guy is cool or a nice guy because I paid him $225.00 to $300.00 and for him to point out his stable of whores is that how you guys measure if a guy is a nice guy what a joke.

I don't think a guy is a such a nice guy that make a living off a 18 year old hooker maybe to some of you guys but not to me I think its sad and he should be shame of himself but not as long as happy customers keep giving these guides/pimp so much praise.

Beside, I always found that girls and so called guides that speak english are the ones I LEARNED TO STAY AWAY FROM (my rip-off alert goes off).

From what the girls tell me if these guides set-up over nights with their customers at 300reals the girl get to keep 200 reals and the guides/pimps keep 100 reals oh what a nice guy ha,ha,lol he didn't keep all of it.

This is why so many girls are leaving 4x4 and Luomou termas and start working at others (THEY GET SICK OF HAVING TO FUCK AND SERVICE THESE LISTEN IGGY "ROUGH TRADE" GUIDES FOR FREE) at their apartment.

Guys the bottom line is this some of you NO MATTER WHAT will suck these guides dick and will be happy to pay to do it be it $225.00 or $500.00 some guys are made like that I guess? in life you can't help everyone and anyone if they aren't willing to OPEN their eyes up others are not.

If I can save or open eyes of 1 or two mongers newbies/rookies from supporting a pimp on their 1st trip to Rio then I feel good some of you OLD DOGS (mongers) its to late to change your ways hopefully some of the newbies still have half a brain and can see what I am trying to do and see pass all this nice guy talk and con-game and see a P.I.M.P. for what he is.

If I can help a 18 year old hooker from getting out of bed with her baby to go and service a rough trade guide at his apartment JUST BECAUSE HE SENT 3 OF HIS CUSTOMERS TO HERE IN THE 4X4 TERMAS EARLY THAT AFTERNOON.

I can't count the times girls have told me that hate to hear well you need to be nice to me tonight because I have ( 4 NEW CUSTOMERS GOING TO RIO ON TUESDAY) my driver is going to get them so be nice and show them a good time in the cabin I WILL STIR THEM YOUR WAY..

NOW I DIDN'T NAME ANY GUIDE BY NAME BUT JUST WATCH THE guide groupies/supporters come to the defense of certain guides WHY? do you feel guite?

Sometimes all you have to do is just sit and WATCH A PERSON TELL ON HIMSELF, WITHOUT YOU EVER SAYING THEIR NAME lol.

Let me make this clear once and for all I don't give a fuck if you use a guide or not trust me I don't care but I to shine some light on some of these bottom feeders for what they are (and if you want to still spend your money fine at least you have the INFO of how the bottom feeders prey on the girls).

What this debate is for the need of a guide in Rio of all places please give me a break lol.

How many times have you heard newbies say so-and so driver pick me up at the airport then we went to so and so cafe and they me and 5 other mongers went o 4x4 the pimp I mean the guide said pick that one she good in the cabin EVER ASK YOURSELF HOW HE KNOWS SHE SO GOOD??? the answer is he knows because he fucking her for FREE from all the mongers he stir her way!! is it a crime no but WHY PAY SOMEONE UP TO $300.00 TO FUCK a whore free used that same $300.00 to pay for your own pussy or if a guide WANT TO FUCK GET A REAL JOB SO THE GUIDE CAN PAY FOR HIS OWN PUSSY.

I am not trying to change the old fucks on here minds but newbies/rookies don't be a fool just use this website and you will fine all the INFO you could ever need.

For $225.00 you could pay for your own (cellphone,taxi,food, and 4 session with a girl OF YOUR CHOICE). So what in the HELL are you paying a guide for? beside blowing cigar smoke in your face in up your ass lol.

The problem is if yo pay up front your $$$ you are fuck and you feel the need to get your $$ worth so you tag along with this maggot and have him blow cigar smoke in your face for a week and fuck all his broken down whores that ever monger on this site have fuck before you, use your head guys.

You want to know how I know so much I was at the 4x4 and I saw a pack of mongers coming in with this maggot hand on this guy shoulders and this girl I was talking to grab my hand and said please lets go to the cabin and she told me the whole story and later that night some of her friends told me all about this fuck and to hear you guys go on and on about this guy or that guy is so nice lol.

The funny part is picture this a cigar smoking bottom feeder has his hand on your shoulder and holding your hand walking into FRANKS/4X4/HELP you have victim writing all over you (this is why girls try to take you and played you).

Ask yourself this question how many NICE guides/P.I.M.P do you know in the USA OR RIO that make a living off the back of 21 year old hooker?


Take care guys NOW JUST WATCH THE GUIDE SUPPORTER GANG UP AND ATTACK ME AND RUN TO THESE BOTTOM FEEDERS DEFENSE (IF THEY ARE SUCH A NICE GUY HAVE YOUR DAUGHTER OR GRAND DAUGHTER GO TO WORK FOR THEM AND HAVE THEIR PHONE NUMBER ON THESE LOW LIFE CELLPHONE SPEED DIAL.

Take care guys and good luck in life and with your $$$. (hopefully some will see the light) and want fall for all the fast talking con-artist guides/P.I.M.P.S.)

KidCisco

Haywoodi - Right on the point!

Bwana dik - Guides should not be allow to post as a Hombre. They should post in a section for the guides. That way, if someone needs guide or ask them question, they have a section for that. That is my initial point. I could care less wheather some one should use them or not. That is up to the individual. To me is is not much different than allowing garotas read and post on clubhombre.

And you don't "see all or know all" when you think that the guides direct you to a garota just for your fee. There is a connection between the guide and garotas they promote!

What articulate thoughts. Now I am really impressed with your opinions on the subject.

BTW-How many 6'4"+ tough guys does this "rapper" need to protect him? Wonder how much he is having to pay you guys to watch his ass? Bet we could find a bunch of favela bad ass guys to do it for 10% of what you charge and no airfare, hotel or meals. Wonder if you will give this "rapper" any advice or recommendation on places to go, things to do, places to stay away from, where to find girls (because if it is who I think it is, he likes the ladies and will probably want a stable of them when he arrives)...kinda like the giude/pimps do with their clients....oh wait a minute, you wouldn't be providing girls and guide services along with security and protection now would you?

Man my red flag is up because I am absolutely, positively, beyond a shadow of a doubt 100%certain you are going to be getting commissions and kickbacks from the girls, restaurants and places you take this bunch to. Must be true, because I said it was.....?

You will be the reigning expert on Rio in the bunch. Wonder who they will ask questions of and seek advice from. Bet you make them buy you beers and food for your local knowledge. How much do you charge to see your little black book of Rio cuties or you cell phone list. Make sure you know the going rate before you go. Wouldn't want you to be guilty of over charging


He he he. KC..You are too much buddy. And a real funny bastard too. Enjoy your trip to Rio. I'd love to have a beer with you and be a midget (all 6'0" of me)amongst giants.

Sandman

P.S. Have you ever been hit by a shit flinger in Rio? I want your reaction on video if you ever are hit by them....he he he. If you get this riled over the use of guides, some "shit on shoe" would be priceless!

its give recycling a hole new meaning.iggy sca

Would whoever took KC's Lithium pills please return them to him?

Why does this discussion have to come down to personal attacks? That somehow one group's of opinion's somehow have more significance than another's?

It seems to me that there are potentially three groups of people in this discussion:

A. People that have used guides and have had a good experience
B. People that have used guides and have had a poor experience
C. People that have never used guides

I fall squarely in category C. I am neither for or against guides. For some reason, there are many other C's, that feel very strongly AGAINST guides. Very strongly. Viscerally so. I don't know why, and I don't care to explore why.

If you read all the trip reports, it seems that many of the reporters fall into A. They are happy with their use of a guide so much so that they chose to write a positive review on this board.

What I find interesting is that we have not heard from anyone in category B. Dissatisfied customers. Where are they? Why hasn't anyone spoken up? In all honesty, they would have the strongest voice of all. But we have heard of none.

I still come to the same conclusion. There are people that want to have the service of guides, and the guide people in Rio are actually doing a pretty good job or else they would have some dissatisfied customers. There are many more people that choose to go it alone (myself included) and we will never choose a guide. These are the basics of marketing and no name calling, flaming, personal insults, will change these simple facts.

Dissatisfied customers. That is what changes markets.

Damn, kidcisco is one long winded dude. Enough with the tour guides - please.

cal

I guess a couple of weeks ago, who ever fucked Taiza from 4X4 at the apartment was fucked up the ass paying, was it over $R500?
Which guide or apartment broker was charging $50USD for an emergency phone number. That's a mickey mouse way to make money. But who else will pay but clueless gringo's.

When I was in Rio in April, the talk around town was, which guide was fucked by maruis, the owner at Monte Carlo. Maybe that's why there no more posting on MC since then. I heard someone brought around 50 guys to MC and worked out a deal with Maruis for a 5%-10% kickback. But at the end Maruis said all 50 guys were regulars and didn't give this guide shit.
If this is true, I can say this is a typical piece of shit Brazil pulls.


CN

KC doesnt even know the people he is bashing. And there is no logical explanation for the hate and venom. Why on earth should he care about someone else having a business in brazil and go out of his way to try to put them down in a public forum? Nuff said.




(Message edited by gcl on August 28, 2003)

Damn Ceenotes, thats some serious shit you posted. 50 bucks for a phone call? What is the story behind that one?

I do not know any of the guides personally, but I do know a poster who tries to use the "free pussy" threat. He told the girl that he has sent a number of clients her way over the past year and he wants her to give him free ass all the time, because otherwise she would never had made so much money.

Bluestraveller:
You write: "What I find interesting is that we have not heard from anyone in category B. Dissatisfied customers. Where are they? Why hasn't anyone spoken up? In all honesty, they would have the strongest voice of all. But we have heard of none."

Part of the problem is a hesitancy to make enemies with people you may run into in the future. I have never used a guide and have no opinion regarding others who do or do not use them. However, I can relate that I had a very bad experience a couple of years ago with one of the spamming apartment providers in Rio. I chose not to post this experience (although more recently I hinted at it in a couple of posts) knowing that I would probably run into this person again in the future and I didn't want to have him as an enemy. I would be very surprised if this sort of factor does not result in the posts being skewed towards favorable ratings of apartment providers and guides, many of whom are aware of our handles, unlike most of the garotas we rate. Along these lines, my very limited conversations in Rio with others about guides they were using tended to be more balanced than what is normally seen on these boards, some people liked their guides, others told me to stay clear of them. I doubt whether many in the latter category have posted their experiences for reasons similar to what I expressed above. To be clear, I have absolutely no idea whether most of those who use guides are satisfied, I suspect they probably are, but one cannot really determine this based on ratios of favorable versus unfavorable posts.

LAGuy, good post. U are catagory C.

"We are to ascend the Missouri River with a boat as far as is navigable and then to go by land, to the western ocean, if nothing prevents."

With these words from one of the members of Captains Meriwether Lewis and William Clark's Corps of Discovery, the men embark on their fateful journey. Encountering danger, hardship, and excitement along the way, Lewis and Clark carry out their plan of attempting to bring peace to the various Indian nations while exploring the western part of the continents. One of the most important moments on this great expedition comes when they meet Sacajawea, a Shoshone woman who becomes translator, peacemaker, caretaker, and guide--and an invaluable member of the Corps.



Maybe they could have done it by themselves without any problems or maybe they would have overpaid (traded) for fur or food, or taken the wrong turn. But they decided to use this guide. Then again maybe Sacajawea, actually fucked them and made there trips harder by steering them to a certain route, towards a certain tribe which she knew or away from other tribes that were not friendly to her. Or possible she was negotiating side deals for herself when trading on L&C’s behalf. But if L&C came away happy for there first trip.

Some explorers will use assistance; some won’t and will rough it and enjoy the ups and downs such as Columbus. So the choice is yours, but try to learn as much as possible of both ways before going and make the decision that works for you. The ultimate goal is that you make your travels an adventure you will enjoy and cherish.

Thumper,

Sorry, I didnt mean $50USD a call, but per week.

CN

What's up Ceenotes and Thumper, I enjoyed your post NYl12.

GCL, if you ONLY knew how many people I know in RIO, YOU DON'T KNOW or have any ideal who the fu*k I KNOW!!!.

I do know I GET sick of hearing from all these "spammers" that promote these pimps that hide behind the name and called themselves "guides" most of these losers couldn't make a honest living here in the USA, they had to take their con-game overseas tricking and running con games on newbies/rookies.

The worst thing in the world is to be inside 4x4 and smile cigar smoke and then after the smoke clear you see a pack of wet behind the ears newbies with a BIG shit grin on their face with this guide hand holding them and with his OTHER hand on their shoulders pointing out his stable of whores for you to fuck "WITH YOUR MONEY" so he can keep his cigar supply and then try HAVE THE GIRL try to talk you into doing a double and a up grade of a cabin, so he can get a better kick-back.

The funny part is they the NEWBIES have know ideal they just hire a pimp to show them a place 99% of the people in Rio could have shown them FOR FREE.

Me and the other guys in the termas will have to get up and grab our girls hands and go to the cabin with them JUST TO GET AWAY FROM THIS DRUNKING ASS LOUD MOUTH CIGAR SMOKING GUIDE .

Girls and other guys hate to see this group come in, one guy told me he like to find out 1st were this group of clowns are going SO HE CAN RUN THE OTHER WAY.


THERE'S not a owner of any termas that don't know this pimp for the DRUNK HE IS!!

And this guide now had to drop so low that he now FAKE trip reports trying to make it sound like he is a newbie writing a trip report so he can write in every other line if it wasn't for so-and so I would not be able to find a 2nd bar in 4x4 what a joke, 4x4 is big but NOT THAT BIG.
Or if it wasn't for so and so guide I WOULD HAVE PAID $$$$$$ ON MY BILL AT FRANKS, please give me a break.

HOW DO YOU SPELL S.P.A.M.

Rio, was a GREAT place to go years ago BEFORE all these broken down "DRUNKEN BUMS" that couldn't make a living or hold down a job here in the USA, and ran to Rio mostly out of legal reasons and now make have to become bottom feeders and make a living off the backs of 18 year old hookers and take wet behind the ears newbie taking their 1st trip outside the USA.

Newbies, for the 100 times just read the INFO on ClubHombre this site has all the INFO could ever need to have a great trip DON'T buy into all these "SPAMMERS" THAT WRITE TRIP REPORTS TO PROMOTE THEIR PIMP/GUIDE BUSSINESS!!


KidCisco

Laguy - That is one of the reason that I think the guides should not be allow on this board. Because they are monitoring the board for information about their business and keeping some hombres from posting freely! And they get to promote their business and monitor this board and this is not what I believe this board is for. In the long run the guides are bad for the sex scene and Clubhombre. Their are bad for the sex scene in Rio because they don't add much to the scene but add cost to hombres and garotas. Like a blood sucking leech!

Kojak, great post, all they do is SPAM and promote and bad mouth all the people/places/termas/girls that don't kiss their ass.

KidCisco

Can any locals confirm the MC rumor?


The last time I was in Rio hanging at MP at a table with some guys from Chicago, we were talking about lets check out VM to see how run down the place is. We mentioned this to a local guy from the states who is living in Rio. I met him on my prior trips(cool guy). Anyway, he said due to his financial situation, he only fucks girls from VM at $R20. He also mentioned, that for $R5 from the each of us and covering transportation, he will give us a tour of the place. I laughed and told him to get that greyhound bus depot bullshit out of here. I told him don't pull that shit, where were covering your free skank. Then he said "I was only kidding" yeah right, how many times have you got away with this move, from the guys from Ohama.
We told him if your broke just tell us your hurting and you need some pussy. Dont insult me with this backdoor hustle.

Have a good weekend KC.

CN

”… YOU DON'T KNOW or have any ideal who…” Correct word would have been “idea”

“…and called themselves "guides"…” The present tense is appropriate here, “call”

”… themselves "guides" most of these losers couldn't make a honest living here in the USA, they had to take their con-game overseas tricking and running con …” Run on—the sentence could use a period, probably after the word “guides”.

”… inside 4x4 and smile cigar smoke and then after the smoke clear …” It appears you meant to say “smell”.

”… the NEWBIES have know ideal…” It appears you meant to use the word “idea”.

“… they just hire a pimp…” The past tense in this case would be “hired”.

”… THIS DRUNKING ASS LOUD MOUTH CIGAR SMOKING …” It appears you may have meant to say “drunken”.

”… one guy told me he like to find out 1st were this group of clowns are going …” The correct form of the word would be “likes”.

…not a owner of any termas … “an” owner…nuff said.

”And this guide now had to drop so low that he now FAKE trip reports trying to make it sound like…” “FAKES”, not “FAKE”, or you could say he “FAKED” rather than “now fake”.

Rio, was a GREAT place to go years ago BEFORE all these broken down "DRUNKEN BUMS" that couldn't make a living or hold down a job here in the USA, and ran to Rio mostly out of legal reasons and now make have to become bottom feeders and make a living off the backs of 18 year old hookers and take wet behind the ears newbie taking their 1st trip outside the USA. There is no verb in this sentence. You should add that the …”broken down…bums…MOVED to Rio, or began MOOCHING, or something…but it definitely needs a verb.

”Newbies, for the 100 times just read the…” “100th time…”

Hey Ceenotes, his name didn't begin with a P did it?

Actually, one place where it might be useful to go with a guide (the first time only) is Vila Mimosa, since many Americans (and other foreigners) may feel out of their element there (the first time I checked it out I went with a Brazilian; I've been back alone maybe seven or eight times without any problems). While in my earlier post here I restrained from including anything negative about the guides, the one thing that did rankle me a bit on a recent trip to Rio was when an American told me that one of the guides was saying things about how extremely dangerous Vila Mimosa is, how people get robbed by the girls' pimps in the rooms all the time, etc. I was skeptical as to whether this info really came from a guide (the American also claimed such information was all over the boards, which it is not), but if any of the guides are indeed spreading this sort of nonsense it could only be because they prefer to spend THEIR time at high-end termas, etc. In fact, the termas are the LAST place a newbie needs a guide, not just in Brazil but probably in the world (incidentally, the reason I like the occassional trip to VM is that there are only so many termas in Rio, and I like a change of pace).
I suppose another type of place where a guide could help a newbie who has no sense of adventure is in finding the lower-end massage parlors, although looking at the classifieds in the daily newspapers and buying a map is probably just as effective (as is looking at my trip reports, which give addresses and directions). Never seen a guide take his clients to any of these places, however, no big surprise. And for the sake of completeness, I suppose guides can help with the escort services for those who do not speak Portuguese and are therefore pretty well cut out of that scene.
I should note, however, I never used a guide; on my first trip to Rio I knew perhaps 15 words of Portuguese and maybe 100 words of Spanish, and still managed to have a great time using the information available on this and other boards. But different strokes (literally) for different folks.

I think Kid wants to give Don one of those "queer eye" makeovers. My gaydar would be up if I was Don.

CGL you wrote :

If you are aware of me ever ever ever ripping anyone off, would love to know about it because I will immediately apologize and return their money. I am in business. A web business. It is no secret. And although it is safe for you to throw around accusations anonymously, it doesnt make it right. I am, and will continue to be, a man of my word. And I need not hide anything.

Do you apologize to your wife too? Do you look at her in the morning and tell yourself : I love this woman. Of course not! Do you tell her you love her? Of course you do! So you better swallow your words of being a man of your word.

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Avoid them like the plague, you really don't need them.

Admin: An unsupported suggestion of illegal activity was removed from this post. GCL's wife works as a model on GCL's chat website only. (9/7/03)

Dion,

You are probably aware that a lot of the guys on this board are married ...right?

Dion, you are either mistaken or are lying. I have never pimped anyone. And I am not a guide. So you are wrong. And again, I would point out that you are in a comfortable position to throw out specious arguments from the safety of your computer, but it isnt true. And I will stand by my original offer--if I have ripped anyone off for any reason, ever, then I will apologize and offer their money back. So, back it up--offer some proof that I have pimped.

DIONYP, , I LOVE IT, I LOVE IT, I LOVE IT!!!!

It's funny that GCL, waste so much time of his loser life inside of whore houses and termas, and holding cigar smoking guide dicks.

Listen clown (GCL), don't waste and spend your time proof reading my post

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You should spend MORE time looking for a REAL JOB

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Its' funny you spend so much time proof reading and correcting my post (WHEN YOU SHOULD READ BOOKS ON HOW TO ME A MAN AND A GOOD AND BETTER HUSBAND) what type of loser man let his wife show her ass and pussy on the web??

GCL, take that same amount of time it took for you to correct my post and LOOK FOR JOB!!! (then maybe you don't have to pimp out your wife).


How does it feel to know every man and anyone with a cerdit card can watch your wife pussy??

If you have good writing skills and English skills take your ass to a local newspaper and apply for a job I am sure your wife would feel better and maybe should would look at you like a real husband that take care of his family.

Like I said before, if you only knew how many people/girls/wives I know, lol

So go ahead and waste you time proof reading this post and I spend my time counting my $$$.

Maybe I will hire some of these LOST BROKE ass Americans guides and BROKE ASS PIMPS and con artist (GCL) when I am in Rio to shine my boots, and wash my colthes.

Then maybe this loser's wife can take the night off from showing her ass to the world..

Hopefully, when I am in Rio next month with my crew to work the video shot

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there are a lot of us that will need our shoes shine I wear a size 13, by detail team that will be with me will need someone like you that will wash our stuff NUFF SAID LOSER!!!

I got it if guys stop paying these guides

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maybe they will GET A REAL JOB and pay for their own DRINKS/WHORES/CIGARS LOL.

KidCisco

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I'm confused by the GCL pimping accusations being thrown around. If someone has an example, then why not just post it instead of a broad, general, non-specific accusation?

My guess, though, is that this has something to do with him running sexxychat where he works alongside his wife. Now most people must know that most online chats and phone sex lines and similar setups all around the world operate out of a kind of "fantasy" mode. You should assume that anything told to you by a girl there or in any kind of play for chat type of environment is "fantasy only", especially any kind of "sure I want to meet you sometime" comment. They sure as hell won't say "I'll chat, but I never want to meet you".

Is this the case with these GCL accusations? If so I think that's just the business and that he shouldn't be blamed for his employees trying to hook you into chatting with them longer and more often.

I don't know GCL and I'm not defending him, but the broad accusations don't seem to make much sense to me.

On the guide issue...I wrote somewhat of a guide with my Brazil report. There are also many other reports written here with plenty of information on finding your way around Rio without the help of a guide. Bwana Dik seems to have one of the most comprehensive reports in a guide format that would make hiring a guide unneccessary. A guide is NOT needed for Rio.

However, why attack third party participants when you have a problem with a guide? Wouldn't it make more sense to direct people to the many reports here or write your own if you don't think they are sufficient? I think people are more likely to side with people that are reporting and posting rationally than people who mainly just jump in to attack people that post about guides. How often do you change your mind when someone is trying to ram an idea down your throat with personal insults?

Sandman,

Yes I do, but I guess they're not exploiding their wives for sexual services to other man.

I will await Dion's proof with baited breath. And a girl stripping on the internet is hardly analogous to prostitution (which by the way, seems to be something looked down upon by a lot of people on this board--but more on that later). Dion, back up your facts, be a man. Lets go.

I just got off the phone with a member of this board. English is not his first language--actually it may be his 4th or 5th...and as a result he has a reluctance to post. However, one of the things he spoke to me about was that he was incredulous that there was a general attitude of superiority over working girls by some of the more prolific flamers on this board. Using the WHORE in all caps for example--as if they are a low form of human life. My friends point was that he doesnt think the members of this board are better than the girls we write about on a daily basis. I for one agree with him. I dont think I am any better than they are, or visa versa. Their profession is in a lot of ways a microcosm of the rest of society. There are good ones, bad ones, sweet ones, evil ones, happy ones, sad ones, and cowardly liars who throw around blanket accusations as fact. Just food for thought.

I strongly agree with the superiority complex of those that put down the girls so strongly. I remember when Kidcisco first started posting where his insults were a lot worse towards the girls.

I have a rather liberal view of prostitution which I hope and believe is shared by a majority of people on this site. To me, prostitution is a legitimate business that is only "immoral" to many because the "righteous" people say it is. At the same time, they have no problem with infidelity, dodging taxes, stealing, or a number of other illegal actions.

I believe we all have a right (male and female) to choose what we do with our bodies, including selling sexual services if we want to. I also believe that the clients are no better or worse than the providers on the basis of paying or receiving payment.

Of course, this is a separate issue from developing a relationship or money matters when it comes to working or former working girls. In these instances, it is safer to assume that everything they say is false and do research to prove otherwise.

lol.

I cant believe that is all KC has to say. His keyboard must be smoking with all the activity as he composes his next 10 page diatribe.

DON'T CHANGE THE SUBJECT THIS THREAD IS NOT ABOUT KIDCISCO THIS THREAD IS ABOUT A NEED FOR A GUIDE!!!!

You see how these "SLICK" con-artist try to get you off the subject or anything they DON'T want to talk about lol.

THE BOTTOM LINE IS THIS NEWBIES/ROOKIES STAY AWAY FROM THESE PIMPS AND CON ARTIST!!!!

KidCisco

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I'm not here to make your trial.
But instead of trying to change the subject all the time enlight us man.
Your style of writing tells me you're a very sleek guy. So why you entered the sexbusiness in Brasil and not a real job, like real estate, trading the Brasilian financial markets, create a new car branch in Brasil? Because you have to work for that real hard my friend and that is a word wich is not in your dictionairy. Talking girls into your web is your business, with the promisses you hold. Proof? No proof, I know you're not that dumb. But in your last post you like to display yourself as their guardian angel, and how we look down on these girls. Dead wrong, we don't look down on them, we're just aware of who they are. As you said, they can be nice,bad,sweet etc. but never be trusted, that's a fact you even have to admit. So don't trying to play the Saint here, cause when the day comes (in 1..2..5 years,maybe after a couple of kids) when the hardbody is gone,and you're not able to sqeeze any more money out of them you will let them rot in hell. We're just holding a mirror to your face and you don't like what you see : A guy who profits from girls who have no other way out. Try to get a real job like Kidcisco tells you to do, maybe then you would deserve some respect.
And as some other people mentioned here, people with commercial intrests shouldn't post on this board. I really don't give a damn if people are paying guides

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it's their money, they're blind and it seems they choose to stay blind, well good luck to them.
So much flaming on Kidcisco, but he's telling it like it is, maybe in a raw and hard way. But like in every days life, people don't like to be confronted with the facts and the truth.

Admin: Unsupported suggestions of illegal activity were removed from this post. GCL's wife works as a model on GCL's chat website only. (9/7/03)

Okay, a new participant, Dionyp, who registered in January and has a total of 5 posts since then, most of which are in this thread. This thread seems to be bringing the lurkers out of of the wordwork, unless there is a Lakers-style situation occuring.

THIS IS WHAT GCL WANT YOU TO THINK HE IS

THIS IS THE REAL GCL==

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KidCisco

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THIS IS WHAT OUR FRIEND KIDCRISCO WANT YOU TO THINK HE IS

THIS IS THE REAL KIDCRISO

-DJ

Now seriously, I think KC has a good point about not needing a guide, but nobody ever said you have to have a guide. On my trips to Thailand my friend hired a guide who drove us around to the tourist spots. Hiring a guide saves time and lets you relax and enjoy the sceneries, take pics etc. Esp for busy folks who take a vacation to relax from stressfull work.
I find Sandman's post funny and bluestravelers' post to be very good.

I almost employed the services of a guide for Manila. I did plenty of research and got great info which I am still working on detailing massage parlor options. With the information I had and only a few days, I was able to cover the MP scene thoroughly, but I had no time to devote to covering casas. This guide charges a premium for girls he knows that work privately, not in MPs or gogos. I doubt I would have paid the 33% premium for these girls, but I may have if I was really impressed and knowing the girl was otherwise not on the program.

On my next trip, I will likely hire the Manila guide, not because I need the help finding sex but because he can save me a lot of time so I can report on casas and other possible options...the go-go and MP scenes are too basic. (The Manila guide is about $10 US per day I think, but he gets an additional $10 if you get girls through him)

Likewise, the Help, Beach Cafe, and Termas scene in Rio are too basic to necessitate a guide and I wouldn't pay for it, but I would pay for a guide for assistance with the private brothels and Villa Mimosa scene. I still see no reason to attack someone who is happy with a guide's services, though.