LSHIBSAOTM

Dow 9486

Ldvee 9600

T_BONE 9486

Ben 9350

Kendricks 9277

Damn!! I came here to see whether I could get some primo stock market tips, and all I see is Ben spouting off on politics again! On a more personal note, Ben, you gave us your word (in another thread) that you would vote for Bustamonte so that the Democrats would not get off the hook (and I felt this--voting for Democrats to teach them a lesson--was a great precedent that should continue for decades). But now we learn that you are not a man of your word but rather will be voting for someone who is going to withdraw from the race in an hour or so, Peter Ueuberwhatever. Tell us it isn't so Ben!

"It ain't so"

I am voting for Gray Davis.

Why would you want a political party to continue if office when our state is a financial disgrace?

I just don't understand unless you are just totally blind to the facts!

"Damn!! I came here to see whether I could get some primo stock market tips, and all I see is Ben spouting off on politics again!"

As usually Laguy your are reading comprehension challenged.

If you have been following my thoughts on this section over the past couple of years you would have made a lot of money.

Oh I forgot, you have a problem with making money. I now remember that you feel that making money is a "typical greedy Republican" thing.

Like I said "your dumbest post".

Oh, I forgot Laguy.

You might want to check out a stock called SURE.

Of course these investments are risky and you could lose all or part of your money and this is not a recommendation to buy or sell.

Frankly, one of the most important things for me is to keep the religious right wackos from imposing their social agenda. Now, Ben, I know you have been greatly influenced on this by the fact that you have some wacko (your word) aunts and uncles in Oklahoma who are anti-choice and voted for Clinton, and apparently you have a few friends who are Republicans but not right-wing religious nuts, but you know something, when you look at the Republican politicians, their base is the right-wing religious nuts and once in power they pander to their base. You yourself said in another thread that you find Ashcroft scary; well, guess who put him there, and don't say the Democrats (you also shouldn't say the people, since Ashcroft lost his election in Missouri and only became AG after the Supreme Court appointed Bush president while disregarding the vote of the citizenry for Gore (if this is to much for you Ben, please take your medication before proceeding)). Even Ahnold, who they say is a social liberal is in favor of prayer in the schools, a right-wing simpleton solution to all the problems of our society. (Teacher: "Those of you who don't believe in Jesus, e.g., all of the Jews, now have an opportunity to leave the classroom so that the Christians can pray to Jesus").

I just read about how the REPUBLICAN governor of Alabama is attempting to raise Alabama's taxes because of Alabama's financial crisis. Here's an interesting little tidbit from USA Today about that state's Republican governor:
"Alabama's new governor is trying to persuade voters to approve the biggest tax increase in state history by telling them it is their Christian duty." Even when it comes to raising taxes in the midst of a budgetary crisis, those right-wing Republican wackos need to make it a religious issue.
As to the California financial crisis, I will point out again that in another thread, you attempted to excuse the horrendous federal budget deficits and weak national economy, in part, on 9/11, but refused to even consider that the horrendous national economy (including the impact of 9/11) could have adversely affected the California economy and budget. Talk about "totally blind to the facts."

"Oh I forgot, you have a problem with making money. I now remember that you feel that making money is a "typical greedy Republican" thing."

Ben, your imagination runs wild. You're losing your grip again.

If you can't remember your previous posts, why should I waste my time talking to you?

You are kidding I hope?

I was not the only one that responded to the stupidity of the remark.

Laguy,

"Spoken like a true Republican. All that matters is your personal stash of money."

Again, how stupid can you get.

Ben: If you want to be intellectually honest (a concept you probably neither understand nor strive for), let's take a look at the obscenely stupid comment you made that elicited the response you now quote:

Ben, the genius: "Bush has had an energy bill on the table for over two years, which included an improved grid nationally. It has been held up among other things because the bill also encourages drilling in Alaska and some national forest areas of the Rocky Mountains.

I hope the bill never passes as I own stock in a natural gas company located in southern Colorado called Evergreen Resources EVG, which is doing nothing but making money."

It is pretty sad that all that matters to you apparently is your personal stash of money and you would rather have an energy bill fail (one that you think would otherwise be good for the country) if you can turn a profit by the failure. THAT is what I was responding to as you well know.

I never said anything to suggest that making money was bad. I have no problem with making money, but as I stated before I have a problem with people who care ONLY (if you don't know the word, look it up in the dictionary) about how much money they make, and would just as soon have the country go down the drain if it enhanced their bank account.

Now as to the issue of why you should waste your time talking to me, if you are going to mis-characterize earlier statements of mine, it would probably be better if you didn't waste all of our time, including yours.

"It is pretty sad that all that matters to you apparently is your personal stash of money and you would rather have an energy bill fail (one that you think would otherwise be good for the country) if you can turn a profit by the failure. THAT is what I was responding to as you well know."

You really are stupid.

It was a sarcastic remark made to point out how the liberals are killing this countries chance to ever be even simi-independent regarding energy.

The Arabs have us by the balls and I must admit that I was laughing my ass off last week when Barbara Boxer(who has almost single handedly shut down exporation off the coast of CA) and Senator Charles Schumer who is on the Energy and Natural Resources Committee and the leading anti-drilling of Anwar and our developement of oil and gas in our National Parks had a special news conference to annouce they were going to investigate the way oil companies in general and Saudi Arabia in particular is manipulating oil prices. They and others which are mainly liberal Democrats are going to make the cost of doing business and the cost of energy for all of us to continue to go higher.

I have put in that same little dig about thanking the Dems and their supporters(you) on many ocasions just because I know it is so irritating for you and yours to be thanked by a conservative for some of your illogical and uneducated decisions regarding an energy policy.

By the way, one would assume that you are now acknowledging that you did make a slur about Republicans being greedy. Yes? So I wasn't dilusional?

You are right for once or maybe twice. You are a waste of time.

You need to go back to your class room and teach socialism as the better way. Oh I am sorry, I forgot you are a sucessful business man.

Always nice to hear from you.

There is no stock called "SURE" anymore. You will have to buy "SUREE" instead.

Did anyone here follow my MWY or ALT recommendations? They are both trending up off of their lows now. This is a great buying opportunity for FONR, too.

kendrickswhocaresabouthispersonalstashofmoneyverymuchandreallywantstomakeitgrowbiggerandbigger

Ben, you're right. Laguy IS stupid. Don't waste your time.

-DJ

I recommend SUREE whole heartily to my friends who post to this thread. It's a fine company, with a great business model and above board conservative accounting. It's a SUREE thingee.

What a chart

http://finance.yahoo.com/q/bc?s=SUREE&t=5y

buy now guys, it can only go up, right?

Ldvee is a liberal Democrat (still trying to figure out why I like him?) so I am SUREE you should listen to what he has to say. Also you might want to consider Enron and MCI/WorldCom.

BTW, I was reading the thread about hotels in Rosarito with interest because I'm going to diversify into Mexican real estate sometime soon and will be spending weekends in Rosarito looking around. I saw the $99 weekend special at the RB Hotel and that's a good deal but do you guys have another name. A king bed, good TV (with porno?) and clean are requirements.

Casa de Ldvee coming soon. Hang onto it for about 10 years, sell, and then move to the tropics, that's the plan.

What do you guys think about about investing in the TJ - Ensenada corridor?

Liberal democrats are generally intelligent compassionate people who realize that Marxism is the only socio-economic model that really makes any sense but temper their ideals because they also realize that they have to deal with historically immature Republicans who don't feel safe unless they can have their little guns, which thieves steal to kill people with or kids find so they can shot their friends or themselves while playing cowboys and Indians.

I know two different guys that have owned property/real estate in Mexico. Both have had legal problems selling their land/homes.

One property was in Baja, south of Rosarito and the other property was a fairly large ranch on the mainland of Mexico south of El Paso.

Both these guys used Mexican attorneys and tried to do everything within the Mexican legal system.

I would suggest you be very careful.

An attorney and a complete understanding of the rules are a must, and I think I have both. What I'm thinking about is property in a non-gringo area on the beach in or south of Rosarito. I can't see how you can lose on beachfront property IF you have all your ducks in a row. And I know that's a BIG IF.

I do like Ldvee's sense of humor.

You were kidding? Right? Right?

Ldvee, Where are you? You were kidding? Right?

No I'm not kidding. I think beachfront property is a good investment. 8^)

Seriously, I am voting Camejo, the Green Party candidate. Sorry guys, we all can't all be right wing wackos.

I will not admit this in writing, but I really liked what Camejo had to say.

Ok, I know how I am going to vote.

Davis, Bustamante, Camejo and in that order.

yeah RIGHT

you're a Governator guy

hahahaha - Republicans - hahahaha

One good point tho, Bush's barber isn't letting his eyebrows grow together, hahahaha

Last year we bought two lots (10 meters by 20 meter) on the hill overlooking Puerto Nuevo. All the lots are sold out except for resale. The word is Baja California plans on another road from Tecate to Puerto Nuevo. I haven't heard if the time frame for completion of the road is in my life time. This should open up lots of access to work places. Paid $11,000 for one and $10,000 for the other. Next year we plan to but a move-on house for about $20,000 on one of the lots. The developer has provided curbs and electricity, but we have to pay for sewer, water and pavement. That seems backwards to me, but that's the way they do it there. The lot owners had to form an association to get these things done. I hope that for about $50,000 we will have a nice 3br. house. Title is held in my Mexican wife and children's name.

I remember 20 years ago I rejected the idea of buying a new $15,000 (dollars) house in Playas de Tijuana. That same house today is $140,000 (dollars).

Ldvee,

You just made me LSHIBSAOTM!!!!

HAHAHAHA

Nayarit,

Assuming you are American, are out of luck in the advent of a divorce? I've actually considered marrying a Mexican gal as an angle to avoid the bank trust route. Plus I'd have a live in housekeeper. What do you know about this route?

What's a "move-on house"? Do you mean a mobile home or a prefab?

Ben,

"You just made me LSHIBSAOTM!!!!"

Good!! IBCBYASADFIHTL!!

This is the stock market thread. On-topic posts only. The rest of you shut the fuck up. I came here to get some great stock tips and instead I get this shit.

P.S.
Kill Affirmative Action

Dogster: Stock is property. Lighten up.

Ldvee: It's her money. She earned it from me by doing all that wifey stuff the last 30 years. And that's why I find it cheaper now visit my friends in the zone. I don't know much about the move-on house yet, but just last week I learned of a company in Ensenada that brokers both used and new prefab homes as well as American houses taken from their foundations and moved to Mexico in pieces. I will be checking it out.

Buy ALT, MWY and FONR. That's all the advice you need. Do your own DD, though. This advice is worth exactly what you paid for it.

ALT and MWY look good on the charts....

OK Dogster, arf, arf. I think Ben and I were both drinking last night. I know I was. Here comes the gout.

I am serious about the Mexican real estate though and am looking at it as a diversification of my portfolio, so it sorta fits into this thread. I appreciate Nayarit chiming in.

Nayarit, if you don't mind, could you list the steps taken to acquire your property. Documents, when and how the money transaction took place, etc.

I know that many of the old homes built in the in the North Park area have been lifted and moved to Tijuana.

This was very popular about twenty years ago when North Park was rezoned to allow eight unit condos to be built where single family and two on one lots were the main form of housing in the area.

Many of the homes were built in the twenties and were small, but were well construted.

I have found that some things get better with age.

"I have found that some things get better with age."

But your example is that old things get busted apart, moved from nice places to slums in lieu of getting plowed under, and then get patched together probably on a weak foundation. Is that better? Is that what your doc is doing?

Hey, check out SUREE, is it going to zero?

I was talking about whisky!

Thanks for describing my physical condition.

Whisky?? I don't know about that. Did you pick up that habit during prohibition?

OK, OK, I'll stop, it's off topic and we don't want a mad dog attacking us.

Well, one more off-topic comment:

http://www.votecamejo.org/budget_plan.php

Laguy need to read the above. Maybe it will finally sink in why we ever came to this recall election.

Laguy should put all $100 into SUREE. Of course for diversification he might want to consider Enron.

Speaking of Enron, their treasurer just got five years and fined 1.4 million which is five hundred thousand more than his net worth.according to NBC. What do they pay an hour in the laundry room at a federal prison?

I am not really excited about higher taxes, but if you can believe this guy (Camejo) that the money would be spent in a resonable way, I would support higher taxes. The problem is that once elected these guys seem to become less fiscal and more politician.

I don't think there is anyway CA will get out of this without raising taxes.

ALT up again today!

Warning: Property, as in land, not stocks comments.

Ldvee, the transaction to buy the lots was very complicated. And I swore to myself that what I needed to do was to write down how it finally had to be done and then sell my services. It seems the sales people, the finance people and the documentation of transactions do not work together and the buyer is left to discover the process on ones own. It got really confusing since we purchased more than one lot. I will try to keep my promise and post my outline, but I need help from my wife and her friend to get the process exactly straight.

It sort of goes like this:

Know who you are dealing with. Don't buy ex ejido land. Make sure the seller has the right to sell the land.

Sign the contract at the sales office. Ours was at the first set of buildings to the south of Puerto Nuevo. A few doors down in the same complex is a Century 21 office that may know the process exactly, but I didn't check with them. Our sales company is called Grupo Lazo. Later it pissed me off when I was looking at a house in the multi-million dollar Tour de Elegance homes of Rancho del Rey part of Chula Vista and, one of the largest homes has all these fancy cars and vans with the Grupo Lazo logos on their doors parked in the driveway. At least I know where my money is going.

Take papers to the Grupo Logo finance company and make payments (Seven years no interest) to offices in Tijuana at an upstairs office in a shopping center on Agua Caliente across the street from Camprestre Country Club. They also have an office on Bonita Rd. in Bonita, CA for payments.

Registrar "los escritures" (change of ownership) at the Palicio Municipal in Rosarito, then take it back to the finance company in Tijuana.

Of course, the sales agents never tell you anything about all these steps and I believe there are more, because we were purchasing more than one lot.

If I get this right, what do you think I could charge for my services? I am positive that many people are buying and making payments by mail and not following through with all of the processes.

Also, the property owners are not organized and we don't know one another, so to form a homeowners association, it took the concern of a local owner and interested residents to apply for recognition as a quasi-governmental body that could represent the group of land owners. We had to hire an attorney who would represent us and file the proper papers. Now we wait. We want to start pavement, sewer and trash collection, but we have to be a recognized political body first. But you can build before all this is done.

I'll try to get it straight.

Here's a bit of advise from a rich Mexican cousin of my wife. "Do not build or buy a big house in Mexico." The reason, the Mexican market is very different for resale than the US. If you invest a lot of money in a house to your taste in Mexico, and later want to sell it, it can be very difficult. "Any Mexican with enough money to buy your house could just as easily build his own to his tastes." The only exception would be where ever there is a large American expratriate population, and the north coast of Baja could qualify along with Lake Chapala in Jalisco. Purchasing a simple working class home in a working class neighborhood has proven to be a very good investment as the Mexicans are starting better finance for Mexicans. Even Americans can get those Mexican loans, but I'm not sure of the process yet.

Lay off the liquor if you want to have no more gout attacks. As you know, I'm in a gout study and I haven't had an attack until last week I had a glass of Bardolino (red wine from Italy) and another glass of Champagne. It went away after a day by drinking gallons of water.

Thanks for the information Nayarit.

Another reason to not spend a lot of money on a house is that when the Mexican government takes the land and home away from a gringo they don't get that much.

I would never own in Mexico as I have just heard too many stories about how costly it can be to defend your ownership or how the titles to land are sometimes clouded or as a gringo I just have no justice when fighting against some wealthy Mexican developers.


Is there any form of title insurance offered in Mexico?

Anyone who followed my ALT recommendation owes me a free hooker.

Yeah,

But how about your FNOR advice?

You owe me a blow job.

Anyone who bought FONR when I first recommended it at 1.20 is already up about 30%. Anyone who stays in for the long run will be up much more.

Thanks Nayarit,

I've spoken with these guys on the telephone and plan on retaining their services.

http://www.lawmexico.com/

Ldvee have you read their book, How to Buy Real Estate in Mexico? Sounds like I should. Thanks

Yes I've read it. I gave it to a gringo "real estate agent" in Todos Santos BCS after he tried to sell me some Ejido land where the privatization process had just started. None of the members of the Ejido had their titles yet. Still don't and that was about 5 years ago. The land was cheap, $7 a square meter, dirt roads, electricity, water, 5 minute walk to the beach. Very tempting, but it wasn't anybodys to sell yet, still part of the Agricultural Ministry. He swore that it didn't make any difference, titles were imminent. I didn't think he was a shylock, I thought he was uninformed so I gave him the book. Anybody can call themselves a real estate agent in Mexico because there really is no such thing. The notary is king when it comes to real estate transactions.

It's a good book, covers all the basics.

How big are your lots?