Kordel?

Who's that?

No team is luckier than the Steelers who should be sitting their asses at home Sunday.

Nothing is more of a fluke than a reliable kicker missing not one but two makeable game winners and hooking one when he never hooks a ball since his normal style is a straight on kick. Who paid off Doug Brien?

Jets played well. Pitt did not.

Take a look at Philly`s 3 NFC Championship Game losses;

1. Philly +11 @ ST Louis - Rams were clearly the best team in the NFC, who expects a 11 pt dog to win, Philly should of lost and did, no surprise here.

2. Philly -4 vs Tampa - Mcnabb missed many games to end the season, only coming back the week before and not playing very well, plus Tampa had one of the great defenses ever, they crushed everyone through out the playoffs, not just Philly. In one defensive stat that correlates very high to winning, tampa was no. 1 and way better then the 2cd best team, so much better that the 2cd best team would have to go all the way to the 18th team to find the same difference. Shouldn`t be that big of a surprise they lost.

3. Philly -4 over Carolina; As i posted last season, Philly was the worst no. 1 seed to come down the pike. Consider this - Philly was outgained in the reg. season by 17 yds per game, there have been 52 teams reach the SB since the 16 game schedule, only 2 reached the SB while being outgained in total yds. Why was it a surprise when thety didn`t reach the SB ?


Well , guess what ? Atl was outgained in the reg. season by 7.4 yds per game, think they`ll reach the SB ? This game has blow out written all over it. Atl `s big win against the Rams set this game up perfectly, as i posted at the beginning of the playoffs the Rams were one of the worst teams to make the playoffs ever. Yea, i know, i did bet the Rams, but that bet was more against Atl than for the Rams.


Philly -4 over Atl --- 8.8 units to win 8 units
Philly -3 (+100) 1st half --- 4 units to win 4 units

4 team parlay - Philly -4 & over 40 & Pitt +3 & under 36 --- 1 unit to win 10 units

4 team parlay 1st half - Philly -3 & over 20.5 & Pitt +.5 & under 17.5 --- 1 unit to win 11.5 units

2 - 4 team parlays placed last week still working

Pats pk (game) over colts & under 52.5 & philly -4 (game) over Atl & over 41.4 --- 1 unit to win 11 units

Pats pk (1st half) over colts & under 26.5 & Philly -4 (game) over Atl & over 41.5 --- 1 unit to win 11 units

Maxy.....You're actually wrong about the Pitt game. Pittsburgh outplayed them if you look at the entire game. Pittsburgh had more yards, Pitt had nearly 10 minutes more in time of possession. Jets DIDNT SCORE AN OFFENSIVE TOUCHDOWN. So who was fortunate in that game, I think a team that scored two unconventional touchdowns and recovered a Bettis fumble on the Pitt 20 was the fortunate team. Jets should have not even been in the position to even win the game. A team that cant score an offensive touchdown doesnt deserve to even be in a game.

With regards to Obrien. He had zero to no chance of making those kicks. Do you even fucking know the longest field goal EVER IN HINDS FIELD is 48 yards by Jeff Reed. The longest by a road team is 45 yards. So you think that Obrien is going to magically kick a 47 yarder when no other road kicker has ever...and in the playoffs. The 42 yarder was makeable but no gimmie. Ya lost because your coach played Marty Ball the entire game and scored 3 points on offense.

Strangely enough, I see both road teams winning today, despite the bad weather. The Pats will win because they are good, the Falcons will win because the Eagles will choke.

Since I will be in BKK for the SuperBowl, and therefore watching it at 3 in the morning, I am rather hopeful that its the most competitive matchup, maybe Eagles - Steelers, but this is an odd year, so we will get a blow out Super Bowl, meaning Falcons - Pats.

wow--- now that was an UGLY toss by Vick.

Now time for the real Superbowl ... I hope y'all didn't put too much cash on the Steelers!

Heinz is quite a sight tonight.... Beautiful!

BTW, that's how u kick a FG... OBRIEN take some notes.

Those Pats must be LUCKY today so far... *cough*

Like a machine tha gets better and better.



(Message edited by donmarco on January 23, 2005)

o boyyyyyyyy-- r u gents sure you want the steelers to take the field in the 2nd half?

When will u all learn? The NFL is comprised of the Pats and a bunch of other teams that collectively serve as their bitch. Now squeal like a pig!!





(Message edited by donmarco on January 23, 2005)

Pats

not lucky today

Pittsburg just plain sucks

they don't belong there and can't even cover +16

Pittsburg is pathetic!

Just fucking sickening.

I should have gone with the public and what I said earlier. Good thing I did not have the cash to bet big today. I should not have listened to my friend who said this would be a close game.


Let me repeat

PITTSBURG SUCKS!
the public seems to be winning big today.

First game as well.

Dejafucking Vu...Another AFC Championship another complete blunder by Bill Cowher and his staff in the first half. Pitt doesnt look prepared at all and they are getting the snot knocked out of them at the line of scrimmage on both sides of the ball. I still think Rothlesberger is better than he is showing in the post season and will get his ring as long as Pitt wakes up and finally fires Cowher.

and Maxy, yes Pitt does suck today so far but they are still one of the best teams in the NFL. Dont blame Pitt for your gambling habit.

Blazers et al,

OK let me shush my talking smack for a second.

DM's take on the steelers:

The D is playing Okay, but clearly their intensity is less than optimal.

Ben is a rookie-- what did you expect? As I pointed out to u last week, this is a huge advantage for NE... my crystal ball turned out right. Ben will be a damn good player, but a young gun rook, who never even tasted a loss in the NFL-- sorry.... he needs some seasoning.

Cower-- he should be fired. His team is clearly unprepared and he has shown to be unable to raise the bar in the post season... every time. His IQ is that of a -- no I won't be negative...

How bout this... hire Wies from NE to be head coach. Retain the current Steeler D coord-- in fact give him a raise for the hell of a job he did this year.

Bring out slash2 and save Ben for next year.

Now let's see how much pride those steelers have. Hopefully they come out and play a physical 2nd 1/2 instead of calling it quits.

Jeez, dude went 15-1 and fell BEHIND (hasn't lost YET) in the AFC championship game, and y'all want to CAN HIM? What would you have done to Marv Levy and Andy Reid?

I don't have a gambling habit as I don't have cash to bet.

However if I was betting big on Pitt I would have a right to blame them as they sucked in the first half.

How can a team not show up for a playoff game?

Year after year it amazes me.

Levy shoulda been canned the 2nd superbowl loss.

Reid... well he'll get his at the superbowl. Then show him the door.

knee down... bad call.

Steelers showing me a LOT of grit tho-- give 'em their due.

Pittsburg's defense sucks as well

3rd and 17 and a friggin holding

what a moron

then one running play and a TD

WTF?

That's a wrap boys... GG. I'll be reporting live from the SB...in Angeles!!!! It's time to give Reid and boys a clinic.

over n' out.

DM

ok ok ok

I've seen enough grit for today....

DM-- Looks like a Super Bowl Party in Angeles City. Does life get any better ??

For those of you whom have played footbal, especially from a position where you call plays....watching this game was like watching a professional chess player(Billichek and his staff) going against a guy who is getting his first lesson. 3 different QB's and one things remains constant in these AFC title game chokes...Bill Cowher...get rid of him. This is Cowher's 5th #1 seed as a coach and he is now 0-5 for SB's in those years. What good does it do to have an excellent regular season to get the #1 if the coach learned how to coach in the post season under Marty Schottenheimer....Cowher must be canned.

U know who would fit into the steeler org and persona AWESOME????


Parcells.


KM--- what we got here is as sign of things to come in AC-- It will rock!!!! I'm going to have to hire 6 or so fluffers to blow me while I cheer on the Pats!!!

No better way to watch a football game.
These two games were boring. Coulda used those girls to get thru these contests. Expected two good well played games - only 2 out of 4 teams showed up. At least they play each other next.

I'll have to pull 6 or 7 Pinays myself and have " our team " cheer for the Eagers.

Sounds like a damn fine plan !!!

Blazers
Cowher was not the guy who on a key third down could not even prevent a friggin end around TD

or any of the other key third downs of the Pats where Pitt D did not hold.

The Pats just frigggin crushed the suck ass Steelers.

The Jets would have put up a much better fight.

The Pitt d backs just watched him run in on that back breaking TD


Blazers
BTW I covered the friggin +16 barely and my teaser bet is still alive and rolls over into the SB with the NFC

but I did finish the day with a measley +50 on Pittsburg second half. Thanks to the last minute garbage TD. However 50 to me is like
5000 to the rest of you guys right now, so I'll take it.

My buddy walked away with +6300
and rolls over 2000 in the SB on NFC

DM
Your Patrs played two of their best games the last two weeks but don't celebrate too soon

Look what happened today
right after you said it was a wrap today the Steelers were still in it until they failed to come within 7 and had to settle for the FG

Much to my chagrin I will be rooting hard for the Eagles in the Super Bowl. Another Super Bowl where I really don't like either team. I do like Donavan though.

Max,

With all honesty-- why shouldn't I celebrate now? I can celebrate each and every day regardless of the outcome of a particular game.

My home team put up one of the best runs in NFL history. And they did it without the showboatin' 2nd grade antics that are pervasive in prof. sports... Truly my privilidge to be able to share in this as a fan and lifelong sports lover.

Let's say the Pats were flown to Soi 6 before the game and were a wreck gameday... it wouldn't diminish them in the least. This run and team may very well represent something that none of us shall see again. Savor it while it lasts. Goliath is sometimes the good guy.

No I meant don't count on a SB victory so soon

yeah obviously celebrate two well played games

Savor it no way

these past two games are two of the only games Pats have really dominated and played welll in this run

Pats in the past were not as good as they were last week and today

No 2nd grade antics?

You watching and listening to the same news shows that I have in the last three years?

Tom Brady is the only one who has not been a showboat.

Hats off to the Patriots and their fans. They were the better team today. My Steelers were just not up to the challenge.

Well. hope the Pats win the Super Bowl, I hate the Eagles

By run, I speak to a 4 year span, not this game, that game, etc.

By antics, I'm speaking in relative terms... The Pats don't lose focus and no, I've not seen anything I would label 2nd grade antics.

Talking smack is part of the game and the psycological battle sometimes plays a major role. As a defensive player, mind games were always an important part of my game prep.

Blazers, the guy went 15-1, tied for the second best record in league history, and he didn't do it with pro-bowlers and hall of famers at every position like Chuck Noll did. Compare this season for the Steelers to the 'work' that supposed geniuses like Shanahan and Holmgren have achieved after Horseface and Hee Haw weren't around to make them look smart.

I'm not sure what Cowher had to do with the rookie QB throwing 3 picks, except having the balls to give the guy the chance in the first place.

If I had the time I would fly back to Boston for the Suberbowl Parade

Sorry Blazers

They will make the Eagles look silly just like every other team in the playoffs this year

At half my friend and I were hoping the rumor was true and Maddox would go in. I like Maddox a UCLA bruin and I was in the circle of cheerleaders players and press on the field when he won the WFL title at the LA coliseum

I rooted hard for the Steelers second half and decided I wanted them to win straight up but they just plain sucked.

At least they did not quit.


Milky

What year are you talking about?

Not this year. Donavan wants it too much this year and TO will miraculously be back.

With all due repsect to TO and Soup man, both the colts and steeler are leaps and bounds better than them. The pats did make both the colts and steelers look aweful-- so whacha think is going to happen to Phili? Sorry... Like I said all season, don't bet against the Pats-- just send me money y'all are so anxious to lose.

I just watched Cower being interviewed and he placed the blame clearly on Big Ben for the loss. Unacceptable from a head coach after the loss to blame it on a rookie who won 15 straight prior...

Sorry pork, this guy is a putz.

Uh, it WAS the rookie QB's fault! Hopefully he'll learn from it and come back with balls as big as boulders.

"Donovan wants it too much"? PuhLLEEEAZ! Like he can use his sheer force of will to win the frickin' Super Bowl against, as DM said, a far superior team. Philly winning wouldn't be a miracle, but winning because of McNabb's 'wanting it' is just retarded.

Uh, IMHO a coach that points fingers at a rookie should be dismissed immediately. Tact, being gracious to your team and fans, and forward thinking are somewhat important leadership qualities...


If he wanted excuses, how about: your D played like a confused bunch rather than the NFL leading unit, Cower was obviously outcoached, Cower obviously didn't have his team prepared/peaked to play, the pats outplayed them, the pats shut down their league leading running game, etc, etc

Even on a good day, Ben wouldn't of beat the Pats yesterday. There was a glimmer of hope only when the pats let their guard down when the game appeared out of reach.

A leader assumes blame and responsibility, pure and simple.

For the sake of the steeler hopeful, I hope they find real coach sometime in the near future... doubtful tho.

I agree--that was a meathead comment made in that article. Who the hell doesn't WANT to win the SB!!

Patriots are a well coached and disciplined-- that's how they win. Phili easily has at least equally as much positional talent, if not more. If Phili comes prepared and executes to the best of their abilities they can win... no doubt.

All that is certain in big games with the pats is that they will show up and execute the plan to the best of their abilities.

I don't want to be left out of this interesting thread, which has now overwhelmed the katoey thread in popularity, so I guess I will have to get my two cents in:

The 49ers Rule!

I believe the Coaching tree under Marty Schottenheimer is forever cursed for learning how not to win a big game. Kind of convenient for the Pats to go against Dungy and Cowher, both disciples of Marty Ball....oh yeah, Maxy, Edwards also learned under Shittenheimer as well. Give me Bobby Ross or anyone under Bill Walsh's tree any day.

I'm also starting to believe that maybe it was Bilechick whom was the real reasons that the Giants won two Super Bowls and not Parcells. I mean, they won a SB with Jeff Hostetler at QB.

Coaches that go 15-1 get a lot of slack, in case anyone was wondering. Cowher can have a lifetime contract if he wants one.

Re: pointing fingers at rookies, Parcells points fingers at his entire team all week, esPECIALLY rookies, and yet has a rep as a GOD.

Bobby Ross? Where'd THAT come from? If he'd ever actually WON a super bowl then he could ASPIRE to be mentioned in the same breath as Jeff Hostetler and Trent Dilfer!

This is the first Pats team I have seen that I would consider dominant. They will have to win a couple more title for me to put them in the same class as the 70's Steelers, 80's Niners or the 90's Cowboys. The teams they beat in the last two Super Bowl would hardly be considered power houses but I guess thats what happens with the salary cap. Last year's trophy was legit and they will probably win this year but I still think the title they won in 2002 should have an asterisk next to it.

Let's see, bullshit call in the snow against the Raiders advances them to a game against the Steelers they should never have been to. Then they win on two fluke special teams touchdowns against the Steelers. One should have never happened as the Pats were the beneficiary of an illegal forward lateral. That mistake was later admitted to by the NFL officiating office but they could not allow Cowher to contest the call as he was all out of challenges at the time. That doesnt even go to mention a 45 yard catch by Ward that was negated and the fact that Pitt was asked to punt a second time to Brown after a Pitt player was forced out of bounds...and Brown scored on the second punt. Oh yeah, the refs also fucked up by moving the ball to the right hash mark, making it impossible to kick away from Brown as he did on the previous kick. This is not sour grapes, but I really dont believe that the Pats championship in 2002 was legit nor do I think that that team was very good. This team on the other hand is sick...Dillon makes them unstoppable.

Every non Pats fan I talk to say the same thing. The Pats have never been that good they just find a way to win.

Only in the last two games have they really played well.

In my eyes they are not even in the same ballpark as the 80's 49ers.

well, the first two Niner Super Bowl teams were much different than the second two as far as players are concerned. The only consistent player throughout the 4 rings was Montana. IMHO the Niner teams that won it during the 81 and 84 season were not that great on paper, its just that the NFL was pretty weak during that time period and Montana is clutch. The Niner team in the late 80's would crush the Pats team from their last two SB's and the 94 season Niner team with Young was insane and is IMHO the best team on paper ever. They had 15 pro bowlers on that team and quite a few potential HOF's. The Steelers teams of the 70's are pretty tough to beat at this point with 9 HOF's and a potential two more with LC Greenwood and Donnie Shell on their way.

Blazers, you sound like a guy that looks up for rain because you see people enjoying the sun...

I never said the Pats were loaded with talent like the teams you mentioned. What they have is a great TEAM and group of guys that are coached better than anyone else right now. Now compare the records of the teams you listed vs. what the Pats have done... That's what I call DOMINATION!

-DM

DM.....just let me vent, I'm angry that my team lost and havent been to Asia in four months....and wont return for two more. It's been a tough few weeks. This is my catharsis. Ask anyone who has met me and they would describe me as opposite of how you just did.

I hear ya bro, as I must savor my team's winning ways... U know-- it NEVER lasts long enough!

4 months since your trip already-- damn. Now that's reason enough to be testy. Why the long dry spells?

-DoMination