Raiders, you are correct when you say the only person truly qualified to judge is the person who found the money. The rest of us can only supply opinions and analysis from an outside perspective with no concept of how his actions would affect him mentally or emotionally, or what other consquences his actions may have.

I disagree with your opinion that taxation is an important issue here. $17,000 ahead with no guilt about keeping what isn't yours plus the benefit of national exposure and a possible movie deal is not a bad situation at all.

Your selection of CEO of Enron is a counterproductive example. Most people view guys like that as the bottom of the totem pole in terms of respect. Of course the CEO would have kept the money, he's a liar and a crook! The fact that Ascension could really use the money, but instead gave it back, is testament to a strong character worthy of our respect. Some people will call him a fool, many more others will respect and admire him.

As for your examples of what he should have done with the money, yes those are admirable ways of using it, but realistic? How does an illegal immigrant hide $200,000? Can he keep that much money a secret from his friends and associates and what happens when rewards are offered for reporting what happened to the money? What happens to him and the money if he's caught with it trying to cross the border?

The main issue is still whether his actions were admirable or foolish. On that we've had and will continue to have a wide range of opinion, and that's cool, as long as you don't blast everyone else that disagrees with you, that's pathetic.

Why was it taxed?

Normally gifts are tax free.

I guess a reward is considered earned income?

It wasn't a gift, it was a reward. He will probably get a good ammount of that money back at the end of the year as a refund. (they withold on lump sums at 28% but he is only in a 15% bracket)

Last night, I saw an episode of Fear Factor where the contestants were presented with balls of coagulated cow blood, wrapped in pig intestine, which they had to fish out of plates of live nightcrawlers without using their hands or any utensils.

None of the contestants were able to eat the required five blood and intestine balls in the four minutes alotted, and it was truly revolting watching them gag and choke on coagulated blood, intestines, and live worms.

Still, the level of disgust while watching this program did not even come close to the revulsion which resonated through my body as I read back through this thread this morning.

Sure, there were some bright spots, such as Superman, Raiders, Ldvee, Putanero, Jaracho. Thank you, amigos, for reminding me that the human spirit still does live in some of us.

Still, it is disheartening to see many others simply regurgitating the same type of crap I would expect to hear spewed from a church pulpit on a Sunday morning. And to think, this board contains people enlightened enough to travel to Mexico to fuck hookers. How craven and cowardly must the rest of the US population be?

Most illegal aliens that I know of have no ss number or if they do it is fake. Therefore they usually don't file a tax return.

He most likly will not get the money back.

Actually, he won't get a refund, since he doesn't have a valid social security number. Just one more way the US government screws undocumented workers.

Good point, Ben.

I will chime in on values and such.

The fact that he received $25,000 as a direct reward, and he will likely get more in a very near future is a proof that the US society puts "monetary" values in honesty.

Monetary value aside, "honor" serves a social currency in many parts of the world (and I suspect Mexico is one of such countries). If a citizen is viewed honored, then the society priviledges him/her. To make this concept understandable for kendricks of the world, for example, Franco might actually find a woman who admires him for the honor he received from his action.

Then, there is an issue of "burden" for keeping this money. In fact, the more I think about it, the less difficult I find it to understand why he chose to return the money. He obviously knew it would have been a misdemeanor/felony to keep the money. Then, there is a question of logistics. How does he keep money as an illegal immigrant, and how does he continue to hide it? I am no saint and money savvy, but even I would have to think very carefully if I should choose to keep it. If these are new bills, then their numbers are recorded. Regardless of where I use them (casino etal), banks will quickly find out where the bills appear and will notify police. With the money trail at their hands, they may find me sooner or later.

Ironically, if this were 2-3K, or even 10K, then I would just keep it. Whoever lost it probably does not care that much, and the chance of their keeping records might be low. 203K is too big and too inconvenient to use, without getting involved with some sort of money laundering scheme. Since I am never involved with such schemes, this means I would have to further criminalize myself. I am not sure if I like to go that far, as becoming a criminal comes with a practical (and hefty) price tag. Whatever kendricks thinks how justifiable it was for me to steal "the money that was stolen once" will not help me in court.

On balance, I am hesitant to call his action "admirable". But, I don't think he was foolish at all. I don't think he was gutless either. Putting 203K in pocket is a risk/gamble in which his chance of getting caught is pretty high. I actually think it will end up being a very wise decision on his part to return the money, considering that he is getting a good chunk of rewards without criminalizing himself.

BTW, kendricks praising superdud's intelligence has about the same credibility as if Ken Lay praised John Rigas' corporate ethics.

Bwa ha ha ha

Our government makes terrorist Kaczynski and serial killer Dahmer look like a couple of Mr. Rogers when it comes to slaughter and pain inflicted on innocent people. Duh.

Dazed,Confused and hoping one day to be Innocent
self imposed Chairman of the Kendricks Fan Club

And if you join for only 19.95 you will receive the secret Kendricks Limrick decoder ring

but wait if you call now you will receive a list of all the ex-presidents living in your neighborhood that sanctioned international covert operations that were not approved buy congress or anyone else.

Let's sing our motto together, (sung to the Mr. Rogers show tune).

"Fight for freedom,travel and meet interesting, exotic people in distant places and kill them"

"It,s a wonderful day in the neighborhood, a wonderful day in the neighborhood won't you be,
won't you be, please won't you be my target, I mean my neighbor".

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Wheww too much good red wine around here...

I think both sides have made good points on this issue.

I think most, if they knew for sure they would never get caught and they knew this was corporate money and not some little old ladies life savings, would keep the money.

It cetainly would test ones integrity to have to make a decision like this man had to make.

I don't think he is a fool.

Kendricks
3rd and final time here buddy. Focus with me here. An illegal immigrant is known to be in our country. By law, he should be deported, or given an amnesty via a green card.

Tell me your take on this, or ignore it again.

OK, Don. Millions of undocumented immigrants are in this country, and if the truth be told, our government wants it this way. They are a tremendous net benefit to our economy, and the fact that they have no paperwork makes it easy for business and government to exploit them.

So, the fact that an illegal immigrant is known to be in our country is about as significant, legally, as the knowledge that some people in California drive around with only rear license plates on their car, instead of front and rear, as the law requires.

Dazed, I am honored to have you as chairman of my fan club. Please spend the all of profits on alcohol and prostitutes.

Ben, having to make that kind of decision wouldn't test my integrity at all. I firmly believe that anything which benefits me is good, and would act accordingly.

Kendrickswhoisverygoodatsolvingethicaldilemmas

And thank god Franco is not as sloppy as you are in thinking. If you went to casinos for money laundry, the next day, banks will tell the police where the reported lost/stolen bills came from, and then they will survey videos at cashiers and dealers to see if the same guy changed new bills many times on the day.

Very bad idea.

It wouldn't be done many, many times a day, it would be done a couple of hundred dollars at a time, over a long period of time. Obviously, it would be foolish to try this with large sums of money in a short period of time.

If you just did it in 200 or 300 dollar increments over a long period of time, it would obviously never be discovered. The idea is to get clean money to slowly deposit over time, in order to build up your bank account with amounts so small they would not attract attention.

Go back and reread the post where I originally suggested this. My thinking is not sloppy, although your reading comprehension obviously is.

Of course, Superman's idea of the money on whores would be fun, too. A lot more fun than giving the money away in exchange for a ten percent reward, anyway.

He will get the money back, as he would have been required to file for a Tax ID Number when he was paid the check. TIN numbers can be used to file returns.

"It would obviously never be discovered"?

I believe you only after you successfully clean up 203K in casinos.

If I ever find a wallet with "Kendricks" on the drivers licence, I guess it is morally OK if I keep the money? After all, he probably got the money from oppressing poor people.

Powerslave...dont steal from the handicapped. Kendricks should be able to keep his hard stolen money so he can give it away to the poor people, as described in the novel he models his life after, "Robin Hood".

Byron, If you were talking about laundering at a casino in the U.S. it would take this person almost a month to get $250,000 cleaned. If you deposit cash at the casino cage and later take cash back out you get the same exact bills you came in with. All you would be able to do is small amounts every day at the tables. If you buy in lets say $xx,xxx and not play you would surly get a Suspicious Transaction Report filed. Once a Suspicious Transaction Report is filed every casino will have a picture of him at the cage. Section 6-a regulations have made it almost impossible to launder money. Just to strengthen your statement.

Kendricks Idea would probably work, but it would take too long. He would be best off getting in with a cashier supervisor(must be on graveyard shift) or a high limit pit boss(again must be on graveyard shift) and give them a kick back to get it all done at once. Going rate is about 1%. I know of three people that have gotten busted for this very act by the gaming commission, but I think they were doing it for years before they got nailed.

Snapper, if I found that much cash, I wouldn't care about laundering it all quickly. I would be quite content to spend a few hundred dollars of found cash in Tijuana every month, and to cash in a few hundred dollars worth of found cash at a low limit poker table every couple of weeks to play conservatively with.

Over time, simply not having to pull cash out of the bank for spending money would be very nice for my bank account, in a very nonsuspicious way.

Besides, I think it would be a hell of a lot of fun living it up on found cash!

That would avoid the possibility of a suspicious transaction report, too, since there is nothing suspicious about cashing in a few hundred dollars, playing for an hour or so, and then cashing out the chips. That wouldn't raise an eyebrow.

If I were to do it that way I would turn two hundred thousand into tens of thousands in no time.

LOL, Snapper. The low limit games really aren't that tough. You can't consistently make enough at low limit tables to make it a viable source of meaningful income, but if you play tight and smart, it isn't very hard to show a small profit, or at least break even (or at worst, come close to break even) over an extended period of time. Of course, making meaningful amounts of money at the tables over an extended period of time is incredibly difficult.

If the goal is simply to exchange bills you are afraid to deposit for clean bills, and you don't mind doing this in small amounts, very slowly over an extended period of years, it seems like it would be pretty easy to pull off.

Now all I need to do is hang out at bus stops in Los Angeles and wait for an armored car to drive by and drop a nice, fat bag of cash, and I'll be all set to put my plan into action.

According to kendricks' own calculation, his laundering scheme takes 26 years to complete. Imagine trying to hand in a couple of $100 bills issued this year at casinos in year 2028.

It is also a scheme only a fool would be proud of. Properly invested 17K (the amount Franco legally received after taxes) right at this moment should outperform 203K sitting in cash for the next 26 years.

Well, Byron, I always suspected your thinking was shallow, but you have confirmed it quite well. Doing it my way, the 203k would be slowly seeping into accounts which could be invested, starting immediately. There would be no need to wait until 2028 to begin the investment process.

At $600 a month, $7,200 would be added to your accounts in the first year. By the end of the second year, $14,400 would be working for you. Nearly $29,000 would be working for you and gaining compounding results after only four years, and you would still have over $174,000 in cash left to play with.

Maybe the timeline should be accelerated slightly, but that is only a minor variation. It would be no trick at all to do $600 a month at casas de cambio in Tijuana and $600 at casinos, for a total of $1,200 clean cash, and another $800 to blow partying every month with the Tijuana honeys.

Now, we are down to one hell of an eight years of fun, with over $76,000 of free party money spent, and *well* over $122,000 hard at work - since, in the first year of this scheme alone, $14,400 could be invested in various accounts. Spending a hundred dollar bill in 2010 that was printed in 2002 wouldn't be at all difficult, either.

Yes, turning over the cash - with no promise of reward, only hopes - is the act of a true moron.

Of course, Ascension would have had to have done this slightly differently. He could have easily taken the cash to Mexico, and pulled off a variation of it.

Anyway, since he has already spent the measly $17,000 he netted, your scenario of money properly invested is irrelevant, anyway.

How do you know the guy did not defraud her by leaving her pregnant in mexico then jilting her to get away with paying for his kid?

Oh, my assumption is that every time you go to a casino, you will totally blow $300 at a porker table, while attempting to make a profit.

Believe me, (based on your intelligence shown here), that is a more realistic picture of what will happen.

Is a porker table what they have in Tijuana massage parlors?

Anyway, it's nice to see that you have reverted to tossing around simple-minded insults once your points were soundly refuted.

Your changing the timeline by doubling the amount is not a minor variation, either.

What will likely happen is that you start taking your scheme for granted, and will start increasing the amount you will cash every time. Meanwhile, the bank/police will find recorded bills appearing for the first time you cash them, and they will eventually find your pattern and you.

If I really need to clean up $203K, then I will never use casinos and cambios. I will simply pay percentage for underground laundery.

First, we are assuming that the bills he found are large, with sequential serial numbers. If they were a bunch of random 20's this is all a wasted excercise.

Second, I doubt that a few bills turning up here and there, at different locations over a period of years, would really show up on anyone's radar. The system really isn't THAT tight. Of all the money that goes through Ocean's Eleven casino, for example, do you really think that a few hundred dollar bills, IF they are even noticed, are going to trigger an investigation?

Third, the underground laundry would only take care or the serial number problem. You would still need to seep the money into your accounts slowly over time, unless your net worth or income is great enough that you routinely make transactions worth hundreds of thousands of dollars.

Byron your fighting an uphill battle here while the sleaziest man on the world is in TJ doing god knows what to who !!!
Get your ass down there white man

Oh sorry i thought you were white

Kendricks

"Last night, I saw an episode of Fear Factor where the contestants were presented with balls of coagulated cow blood, wrapped in pig intestine, which they had to fish out of plates of live nightcrawlers without using their hands or any utensils. None of the contestants were able to eat the required five blood and intestine balls in the four minutes alotted, and it was truly revolting watching them gag and choke on coagulated blood, intestines, and live worms."

Hell, some TJ chicas do that every night. And then they win the lottery, so to speak. I'm trying to imagine what "Club Hombre Fear Factor" would look like. Some of the posters here would be the contestants, while others would personify the coagulated blood, intestines and live worms.

Kendricks, that episode was a repeat. I saw it several months ago. As I recall, the contestants included an attractive woman who believed God would help her eat that shit, another attractive woman, and a whacked-out freak. Too bad you weren't one of the contestants (I'm making an assumption here...), as I'm sure you could've devoured the hearty stew. It can't be nearly as disgusting or un-nutritious as brown-tonguing Superdud's colon. But then again, I wouldn't know...

Anyway, this thread has become repetitive and boring, IMHO. This is what happens when the stock market goes down and y'all stop getting laid. It is time for y'all to go back to foreign lands, YOU FUCKING DRYFRONTS.

And if you hit the jackpot, make sure you return your findings to the bar. It's the right thing to do.

Milky,


Byron your fighting an uphill battle here while the sleaziest man on the world is in TJ doing god knows what to who !!!
Get your ass down there white man

Who is this sleazy guy and where does he hangout?

Well, I had quite a battle with the sleaziest man on universe last night.

It is safe to say my name is not in his will.

Benny Hill

This guy I know is real sleazy
loves BJs in dark scarry places & loves to take other mens Novias.

He has lots of security guards on his payroll along with some barkers

No women is safe while this tramp is in town

Milky

This off topic thread has really gotten off topic. What did Byron do to piss Ben off?

Actually, we are making it on topic.

Nothing serious, really. I just met this ugly chica who is 39 years old, way overweight, with bad breath. Ben still wants to fuck her simply because I claimed her as my novia.

I still want to know the name of the sleazy guy?

Donde esta sleazy hombre?

Byron
I have an idea
Tell him that Smith is your new novia !!
fake tits and all and you will no longer have to get out the big sword !!!

I have your off-topic subjects right here buddy !!!


Milky

Smith is having your child. Don't forget that, milk.

It took us over seven long months, but this past April, by killing some of their soldiers in a so-called "friendly fire" incident in Afghanistan, we finally exacted some small revenge against the shifty-eyed canadian horde that allowed the WTC terrorists to sneak across our northern border.

Still, we have a long way to go before we are safe. I just hope you people don't wait until you're being forced to learn to speak Canadian at gunpoint before you wake up to the dangers of the Mapleleaf Menace.

Oops, wrong thread. Sorry.

Kendricks get your fucking act together!
Are you still double watching while posting ?

watching your fellow office workers making sure they don't notice what you are doing ?

If so that would explain your mis-threadingness

Laughing
Milky

Mapleleaf Menace?

You are sick, but in a good way.

This is the right thread, kenken.

A friendly fire. That's an idea. It sounds more civil than a long ass sword.

Many casinos here in Vegas are going to video poker and slot machines that spit out a ticket right away when you want to cash out instead of coins.These tickets are good for a month or longer and these machines take up to $100 bills.A lucky Kendricks who happened to find 200K or so could don a hat,fake moustachio and nerd glasses for the cameras sake and insert a hundred,play one credit or more should he like, then cash getting a ticket before moving on to the next machine.The change booth attendants are used to cashing up to several of these tickets at one time from players.All they are worried about is that the barcode show that the ticket is a legit payout.With many of the local casinos set up this way it would not take that long or that much risking of the money gambling to clean up a fairly large amount of it assuming that it was not a big mix of old bills he found that had no need of these precautionary measures.It is also pretty unlikely that they have someone hanging out in the count room looking through the massive amount of bills they count looking for matching numbers to someone elses lost money from L.A.
Where there's a will there's a way!
Putanero

Kendricks,

I need the codes for the decoder ring ASAP. Kendricks Fan Club membership orders are coming in like crazy. Finally I see a financial future for my retirement.