Dazed said..."Our government makes terrorist Kaczynski and serial killer Dahmer look like a couple of Mr. Rogers when it comes to slaughter and pain inflicted on innocent people. Duh."

So are you saying that you also RESPECT and SUPPORT domestic terrorists that target innocent AMERICANS (including placing a bomb on a UNITED STATES airline) and serial killers that maim and devour innocent AMERICANS? I think you need to cut back on your wine and drugs and reread your Eastern philosophy notes (unless that whole understanding of Eastern philosophy was a facade)

Well, I think we've established that at a minimum, the illegal immigrant would need to have at least a moderate understanding of money laundering techniques, specifically applicable in the United States, to prevent the money that wasn't his from being tracked. He would also need to know about safety deposit boxes which do not require identification nor an address, knowledge he could gain perhaps by subscribing to the Hombre web site, assuming of course he could find a knowledgeable translator or that he could learn enough English quickly to understand the level of dialogue here. I would also suggest he need a decent understanding of United States law to know what happens to an illegal immigrant for keeping $200,000 that is not his, since the consequences of the same action in Mexico would likely be more severe. Add to that some understanding of law as specifically applied to the border, since he might not know whether the US or Mexico deals with him if he is caught carrying $200,000 across the border. Mentioned but hardly discussed was the necessity to keep the $200,000 secret from his 5 roommates, his coworkers, and any friends he has, lest one of them betray him once the offers of a reward start circulating. He'd of course need to retain his spending and living habits for a reasonable amount of time, no fancy clothes or suddenly leaving his job or home, so that nothing appeared out of the ordinary when rumors of the lost money started circulating and investigators started combing the area asking questions.

Instead he ended up with $17,000 for being honest and retaining his dignity, national and international recognition, more than one potential movie deal, no threat of legal persecution, and likely immunity from INS due to the definite political fallout of deporting him. What was he thinking?

Dazed said..."Our government makes terrorist Kaczynski and serial killer Dahmer look like a couple of Mr. Rogers when it comes to slaughter and pain inflicted on innocent people. Duh."

So are you saying that you also RESPECT and SUPPORT domestic terrorists that target innocent AMERICANS (including placing a bomb on a UNITED STATES airline) and serial killers that maim and devour innocent AMERICANS?

-No

I think you need to cut back on your wine

-No I'm currently on vacation in France

and drugs

I don't take drugs


and reread your Eastern philosophy notes


- I try to read them everyday

(unless that whole understanding of Eastern philosophy was a facade)

-yawn...

Also d'Art,

It never ceases to amaze me what people will say to insult others in cyber space on this board that they would never dream of saying in real life
face to face...

Assuming that he HAD kept the money and no one had caught him, how will he get it home to Mexico? Mexican customs if infamous for fucking with returning paisanos, especcially at checkpoints in the interior of the country. I have been on buses where they meticiously go thru all the baggage of Mexicans (leaving me alone, of course) and $200,000 translates to 2000 hundred dollar bills, which takes up a lot of space. There was a real good chance all he would do is end up enriching some worm Mexican cop.

Putanero wins the prize. That would be an excellent way of exchanging bills with dubious serial numbers for bills that are clean.

d'Art, instead of going into attack mode against Dazed, you should consider what he actually said: "Our government makes terrorist Kaczynski and serial killer Dahmer look like a
couple of Mr. Rogers when it comes to slaughter and pain inflicted on innocent people. Duh."

If your argument against Kaczynski is that it is wrong to respect someone who had killed through explosives, it is difficult to understand how you could respect the US government.

Dazed, I hope you are having a great vacation. The decoder ring codes will be sent ASAFP. I wouldn't want to disappoint the fans! It also never ceases to amaze me how people with only a superficial, comic book understanding of Eastern philosophy will attempt to tell enlightened beings like you what you "should" belief. Amazing.

Powerslave, he could easily just buy a place to live in a border town, securely stash the cash, and bring small amounts back to his hometown over time - living it up the whole time. Only a fool would give away a huge pile of cash becuase bringing the whole stack in one trip would be risky.

Uh Kenney,

I just read in todays SD Union that the "pale face bandit" or what ever his name is has been exchanging money at the local indian casino's.

Maybe it would be better to exchange money at San Yasidro or in Tijuana. Need a new place to exchange your new found gains.

BORING. This thread is BORING, repetetive, predictable, nauseating, etc. Obviously, I have a highly positive opinion of Ascension Franco Gonzales' actions, but I'm ready to machine-gun the idiot and send his undernourished carcass back to his goddamn hometown if y'all would simply shut up and stop posting on this friggin thread. I guess that would violate my McEasternPhilosophy w/jumbo fries, but what the hell. Gonzales put his jack back in the box, so what?

Yours in whoring and jacking in a box until the stock market improves,

Dogster.

My post to Dazed/Innocent was more open-mouthed disbelief than attack, but I can see where it was interpreted that way. I understand his disillusion with government, what I don't understand is his admiration for individuals (not governments) who support murder and terrorism, especially against Americans. Specifically, that would be admiration for Kendricks, who despite his awareness that both Kaczynski and Dahmer targeted and killed innocent Americans, admires and respects them. Dazed/Innocent's admiration for one who worships violence to the degree of supporting terrorism, cannabalism, and murder of Americans I find competely inconsistent with Eastern Philosophy principles. I certainly could be wrong about him, but I think maybe his interest in Eastern Philsophy is more fascination than true belief and application.

I'd say what I've said to anyone EXCEPT Kendricks. I'm not foolish enough to meet someone who supports terrorism, murder, and cannabalism and who has also admitted a desire to go out in a very big way (with suggestion of a murderous killing spree against his enemies) should he have a terminal condition where it didn't matter if he was caught. Plenty of the vets know me, I do not babble incessantly about complaints in my life while hidden behind complete anonymity.

Kendricks, that's a really asinine statement about Kaczynski. My statement you are referring to is fully qualified. My thoughts on him are based on him being a "domestic terrorist[s] that target[ed] innocent AMERICANS (including placing a bomb on a UNITED STATES airline)". To cite a neutral example, if I were to say I fucking disrespect yellow Chevrolet Novas with broken windshields, it would not make sense for you to respond "there is nothing wrong with blue Ford Explorers with Alpine systems". Is any of this sinking in?

How many ILLEGAL BORDER CROSSINGS does an ILLEGAL IMMIGRANT have to make to bring $200,000 into Mexico and what risk does that pose? (FYI Kendricks, this is a sarcastic, rhetorical question.)

Dogster is right?

What do you guys think of abortion.

It is really sad what Sweetie Pie as got herself into with little Benito. She calls me at least twice a week wanting to get together.

She went from totally independent, going to school, to now living in an apartment with rent of $150 a month, raising a baby mostly on her own and worst of all fat, stretch marks on her saggy tits and stomach. Can't afford to work as the cost of child care reduces her net income down to probably $5 a day.

Very sad to see for a bright beautiful women to wind up this way.

Now if she had had an abortion she would still be independent getting an education(wanted to be a teacher) and still very disirable to men.

She is now trapped.

d'Art, it is deceptive and misleading to say that Kaczynski targeted Americans. His enemy was not the US, or any particular nation or government. His enemy was the entire technoindustrial system.

To say that he targeted Americans implies that he was politically motivated against the interests of the USA, and in favor of foreign governments, which is clearly not the case.

Of course, since you have never read his works, you don't understand his motivation, and are simply speaking from a position of ignorance.

Ben, that really is sad that she didn't get an abortion. I can't understand why young women do this to themselves.

Kendricks--If Kaczynski HAD targeted Americans...how would he have behaved differently? Answer: He would not have had to do anything different.

You keep sounding more and more silly.

Gcl, things you do not understand often do seem silly at first blush. This is the problem with commenting on matters which you do not understand.

If Kaczynski had been targeting America in order to benefit foreign governments, I would be vehemently opposed to him, as I vehemently oppose the Muslims who have attacked our country.

If you wish to discuss Kaczynski intelligently, go to google.com, and find and read his manifesto. Until you do this, you are just blowing hot air.

I was never clear on why you were sympathetic to Kaczynski, kendricks.

Are you now saying "you" are against the technoindustrial system? If this is the case, why do you bullshit about profiting from the stock market, the fruit of the technoindustrial system? If Kaczynski had his way, NASDAQ should have been at the top of his target list.

Actually, I assumed you admired his practical "methodology" of terrorizing public, as it suits your anarchistic inclination.

Kaczynski didn't murder the entire technoindustrial system nor place a bomb on the entire technoindustrial system, why do you have such difficulty understanding that?

Whether his motivation was a protest against the the entire technoindustrial system or that he was having bad days is insignificant compared to the fact that he resorted to murder and attempted murder of AMERICAN citizens. The only reason that is acceptible to you is because those people were not Kendricks nor people Kendricks cared about.

"To say that he targeted Americans implies that he was politically motivated against the interests of the USA, and in favor of foreign governments, which is clearly not the case."

You really have a ridiculous way of twisting logic when it suits you. He sent his mail bombs to specific AMERICAN individuals, some random AMERICAN individuals, and placed a mail bomb on an obviously AMERICAN aircraft. Replace the "faceless to Kendricks" victims with Kendricks, friends of Kendricks, or illegal Mexican immigrants and we know your whole position changes because of the shallowness of your arguments.

How about if Kaczynski had managed to commandeer a jet and plowed it into a major American landmark, effectively killing thousands of people? Kaczynski's actions would still have been consistent, as he had still killed innocent American citizens (just in greater number) in the name of a protest against the entire technoindustrial system. That's a real question, Kendricks, feel free to contradict yourself and make exceptions to your logic.

I will admit to being conflicted - there are things I enjoy about civilization, but I am not convinced it is a net benefit to us. We pay a hefty price in autonomy and forced obedience to "the system" in order to get by in it.

If civilization were all it is cracked up to be, we probably wouldn't have so many people pumped full of prozac and other psychiatric drugs, taking recreational drugs like there is no tomorrow, committing suicide, killing each other, losing control to road rage and job rage, spending time in therapists offices, etc. Being a slave to the system has its comforts, but definitely has its downside.

If you are in the mood for some interesting reading, check out the Unabomber Manifesto at http://www.emf.net/~estephen/manifesto/unabe2.html#c21

The mainstream (not surprisingly) dismisses Kaczynski as a paranoid schizophrenic, but he actually has many interesting things to say on this topic. Not that I'm going to follow in his footsteps, as that wouldn't do any good anyway, and would only serve to destroy the enjoyment I am able to derive from my existence. Most people are basically sheep, who actually want to be taken care of and controlled. Look for this trend to worsen.

So what's the solution? Damned if I know. There probably is none. I basically think that humanity is fatally flawed, and that we might as well just get our kicks before the whole shithouse goes up in flames, as Jim Morrison once put it....

So, even if I do have utter contempt for the masses of humanity that exist as grist for the mill; and even if I do hate the system, which pretends to have the right to tell us how to live; I do like certain things about civilization and capitalism, such as hookers, fine tequila, microbrewed beers, motorcycles, the Internet, etc.

Thus, I differ from Kaczynski in that he believed humanity was actually worth saving from itself. I say, let humanity dig its own grave, while I have fun making cash, fucking hookers, living it up, and mocking humanity itself. As long as the system exists anyway, I might as well enjoy its fruits.

This does not mean that I am glad the system exists, only that I might as well take the good it offers, so long as the bad is inescapable. For example, if I imprisoned you in my basement, but provided you with beer and hookers, would you refuse to drink and fuck, in protest of your imprisonment? Or would you do what you could to make the best of a bad situation?

In any event, even though I would never throw my life away in an effort to save an undeserving humanity from itself, I do greatly admire the depth, fearlessness, and brilliance of Kaczynski's thinking, which is truly far ahead of its time.

Interesting the way this thread has developed.

I won't venture into wether the guy was right or wrong in returning the money. It all comes down to personal values. Kendricks and many others, maybe even myself in other circumstances, could probably live with our consience just fine. This guy obviously could not. If he took the money it probably would have bothered him forever. So for himself he made the right decision.

I just want to mention that a few months ago there was a long thread in which many hombres asserted that illegal aliens are all dishonest thieving scum. Well here is one who clearly isn't. And there are thousands more out there just like him.

Ben is right. He will never see a cent of the money the government took. If he is illegal he has no valid SS number and therefore can't file a return.

Given that Senor Ascension Franco Gonzales is an Illegal, certain difficulties are present in any attempt of making several different trips across the border.He more than likely would need to try to pull it off in one trip.

I think there might have been a decent shot of him getting 2000 $100 bills across if he distributed them into several 99 cent store and Kmart bags with the money well concealed under clothing or towels.I see lots of people walking across burdened with these bags and have rarely ever seen any of them being checked out.He might even be able to get a buddy to walk across first and see if it's looking fairly clear before he walks through and get a report on a cell phone.Sure he might get snagged but the odds seem way in his favor to me.
I have many times brought a large garment baginto Mexico with me for a three or more day stay and have never been checked out entering Mexico walking.This is not to say that they do not check but only that I haven't witnessed them doing much checking.My guess is that getting cash from the U.S. to Mexico should be a little easier than Vice versa.On my trips across on Mexicoach I have seen occasionally an officer of some sort board the Mexicoach and look around but haven't seen one root around in peoples bags although I have seen them going through stuff pretty good on a greyhound a few times as we drove by.

Putanero

You people don't fucking get it. Foreigners, even illegal ones, can get what are called ITIN numbers, which are social security numbers that start with 9. And they can file returns. They just can't work with them, and since they start with 0 employers know this. How do you think Mexican tourists who hit the jackpot in Vegas file?

I do not like this anarchistic jam;
I do not like this moralistic spam;
We've had enough of culo Super(Milk)man;

I will not in a tecnoindustrial complex
I will not with a unabomber bomplex

I do not like this boring stuff.
And now you've got me snoring rough.
I'd rather go back to whoring muff.

I do not like this boring shit
I do not it Sam-I-Am

Putanero, I was not sugggesting that he make several trips across the border. I was suggesting that he go to a border town in mexico, buy a little place to live, stash the cash, and bring the cash down to southern mexico a bit at a time. The trip from the frontera to southern mexico is were the real danger lies.

Why do people complain about threads they don't like? Why don't they just ignore them?

Kendricks
I didn't think you were suggesting several trips.I was just pointing out that would not be much of an option to minimize exposure of losing the whole bundle.

I would have taken the cash.I'm not judging Senor Gonzales for turning it in but didn't buy that there would be that many severe obstacles that couldn't be overcome in keeping the loot if he kept his yap shut about it from the start. I was just pointing out potential alternatives to either turning it in or getting caught.


Good thing he turned it in early enough that some CEO could either take it as a loan at very favorable terms for himself or could otherwise figure a way to put it to good use for himself to the detriment of the company and Joe Stockholder before the need to tighten ship.Of course under a certain large market cap they are not making them sign for accountability anyway.Putting it to use helping his family and the people of his hometown where it should go pretty far would be a much worse way for the money to end up.

Usually I ignore them. This thread is a black hole. I'm ready to join the Mussolini fan club. Not good.

Yeah, Mussolina would be a fun guy to hang with.

I joined the Mussolini Fan Club after reading this excerpt from http://www.heretical.org/sexwar-c/gothere.html:

"Italian as well as British troops appear to have found that desert fighting heightened the sexual urge. Mussolini, who was a self-proclaimed sexual adventurer, saw to it that his army in Cyrenaica was provided with mobile brothels for the forward troops and whorehouses in the rear areas."

At least Mussolini CARED about the men he had in the desert fighting for him!!!.

I wouldn't call what the Italians did in the Western Desert "fighting". Advancing rapidly to the rear, maybe.

Yeah Kendricks,

Maybe you could also join the French army.

The French killed more Germans on the Concorde crash than in all of World War II.(old joke)

Come to think of it, maybe that is why Bush didn't provide us with hookers in Desert Storm.... I guess guys living out in the desert with no pussy are a lot more bloodthirsty than guys who are getting fucked and sucked on a regular basis.

Powerslave,

He didn't win the jackpot or win in Vegas. He is working illegaly and I would bet my meager fortune that he does not have the ITIN number. Few illegals do. It draws too much attention to them.

Kendricks,

If you were in the navy you would not need hookers anymore. Last I heard a full 10 percent of female sailors on cruises had to return home because they get knocked up. Certainly not my fathers navy but it sounds ok to me.

It does not draw any attention to them, and there is no way the armored car company could have witheld taxes without it. Look it up if you don't believe me. The IRS cares less as to a person's legal status, they just want their money.

PS,

I do agree that the IRS just wants the money. Thats what is all about anyway.

I know of at least two illegal aliens who are working with fake SS cards.

They withhold for taxes, etc. from their wages and they receive nothing back as they do not file and the IRS has never contacted them about not filing. IRS just keeps the money and these people should be getting back most of their money because of their low income.

I believe it is is a great way to tax the poor and perhaps give the higher income people a little relief.

God Bless America

That is the fault of the aliens for doing things illegal.

You can't file a return on a fake SS card, you can with a TIN number.

Ben,

I have known literally hundreds. The construction industry is full of them. The employer is required to ask for certain documents a SS# being one of them. The burden of proving that the number is good falls on the government.

Powerslave has a point that you can file a return with a TIN number. But what are they going to file on? All the income is reported under a false SS# and many times under a false name. They never file a return. And on this one I find myself in agreement with Ahora. Losing what would otherwise be refunded is just the cost of working here illegally. The illegal accepts that and the government profits by it.

Wow, Batster, I expect that kind of drivel from Ahora, but I am really disappointed in you. It is the fault of poor third world people working honest jobs that the US has asinine immigration laws, designed to screw people that are needed by our economy?

The United States' treatment of the people who do its most thankless jobs is truly disgraceful. Policies whose known results will result in such inequities are simply unconscionable.

Kendricks get off your soap box. They made a consious choice to come illegaly into this country and if they choose to work illegaly it is their fault not ours.

I love it. It's the USA's fault for an illegal deciding to enter the US illegally, work illegally, and then when there are negative consequences for their illegal acts, it's the USA's fault too. Does the illegal have any responsibility? I'm sure there are SOME laws you want them to conform to.

It's a very simple premise. When you knowingly engage in illegal activity, you assume the risk of negative consequences that result from that activity. If I decide to deal drugs, I assume the risk of being arrested or killed, and I accept the fact that there's no Social Security or pension plan. It's not my government's fault for not protecting me when I'm shot and it's not their fault I won't have Social Security to fall back on if I happen to survive.

I also disagree that the immigration laws are "designed" to screw people. I'll admit that the result is that illegals get screwed, but this goes to my argument above. Most laws benefit those who abide by the law and punish those who don't. Immigration law is no different-It provides social benefits and protection to those who obtain the necessary residency and work requirements and it punishes those who don't.

Other countries have similar laws. For example, to visit Brazil, I had to pay for a travel visa. In order to work, I'd have to apply and pay for a work visa. So if I decide to stay more than 90 days or work illegally, I guess I'll just call Kendricks to plead my case when they decide to deport me and seize my earnings because it's inequitable and unconscionable for such a law to exist.

As long as we're assigning blame. Couldn't I argue the Mexican, Guatamalan, and other latin govt's are really to blame for creating the problem? If their economies weren't so awful, we wouldn't have the problem. Why aren't these countries primarily blamed instead of the US?


HC1

Bottom line is that the illegals made a choice to come here and work illegally. Actions have consequences.

As for the Gov profiting from keeping the taxes, anyone want to guess how much of that money (and more) goes back out in illegal welfare payments to illegals?

Hey, if you're going to break one law...

Kendricks, why do you consistly feel the need to insult people and what they believe? Why can't you just state your opinion?

Many people are a lot more intelligent and wiser than you give them credit for. Not believing what Kendricks believes does not make one a sheep nor a slave to government, law, nor religion.

Your idol was a coward by the way, and a foolish idiot at that. He was a coward because he didn't have the courage to fight and argue his beliefs through legitimate means but instead kicked American society in the balls, the same kind of tactics other terrorist groups (including the 9/11 hijackers) use. He was a foolish idiot because anyone with common sense would know that his actions would and did detract from his so-called cause. Murder of innocent American civilians is unconsciousable in the minds of 99%+ of America and would and did completely make any message he had illegitimate. There are plenty of people that support similar views, but they do not do so because of him. He is more an embarassment than someone that should be admired.

OMG bonvvnt finally someone who sees my point of view. Most of these guys will tell you that hardly any illegals go on welfare though. LOL

I do not want to get into a larger discussion. My only point is that our honest wetback friend will get back most of his reward money that was witheld in taxes.

Please Ahora,

Many would agree that they are illegal and you have a good point. Not someone finally agrees with you. You sound so stupid when you post like above.

It is just that in your own inimitable way you just have to be so fucking confrontational that no one like to acknowledge your point of view.

These people for the most part are poor and desperate and yes illegal. Hey fuckim and lets just take advantage of them any way we can for our personal enjoyment.

d'Art, that was about as hypocritical as it gets. First off, I did not insult Batster, I conveyed an honest thought: I am disappointed in him. I didn't call him a coward, or a foolish idiot, or anything like that, I just expressed an honest, heartfelt sentiment.

Second, in the same post where you complain about insults, you call Kaczynski both a coward and a foolish idiot. So much for your campaign for simply stating opinions without insults, eh?

In any event, all of that bullshit you have been taught about what is "cowardly" is just that: bullshit. Is it brave when the police get together in a group of a dozen or more to confron one suspect? Obviously not. Is it brave when a politician, sitting in an office, orders airstrikes against people on another continent who lack the technology to defend against airstrikes? Of course not.

The shit you have consumed and regurgitated regarding what is "brave" and what is "cowardly" is simply propaganda.

As far as Kaczynski's motivation for killing people goes, your assumptions are all wrong. If you had ever bothered to read the work you are criticizing, you would know that this is his explanation:

"As for our constitutional rights, consider for example that of freedom of the press. We certainly don't mean to knock that right: it is very important tool for limiting concentration of political power and for keeping those who do have political power in line by publicly exposing any misbehavior on their part. But freedom of the press is of very little use to the average citizen as an individual. The mass media are mostly under the control of large organizations that are integrated into the system. Anyone who has a little money can have something printed, or can distribute it on the Internet or in some such way, but what he has to say will be swamped by the vast volume of material put out by the media, hence it will have no practical effect. To make an impression on society with words is therefore almost impossible for most individuals and small groups. Take us (FC) for example. If we had never done anything violent and had submitted the present writings to a publisher, they probably would not have been accepted. If they had been accepted and published, they probably would not have attracted many readers, because it's more fun to watch the entertainment put out by the media than to read a sober essay. Even if these writings had had many readers, most of these readers would soon have forgotten what they had read as their minds were flooded by the mass of material to which the media expose them. In order to get our message before the public with some chance of making a lasting impression, we've had to kill people."

In any event, if the murder of innocent civilians automatically discredits anything the killer has to say, then you have no respect whatsoever for any American president in recent memory. Or is it only the killing of American civilians that is wrong? Whether or not you are willing to face up to it, such an attitude discloses your true beliefs: that only American citizens really count, and everyone else in the world is a subhuman by comparison.

Is it any wonder why so many people in the world hate us, with so many people like you pouring such unmitigated hatespeach into cyberspace?

Ben, you have nailed it. Our government knows we need the immigrants to do the shit work no one else wants to do, for pitifully low wages. Then, on top of that, it makes sure that they do not get the tax refund they are rightfully entitled to, based upon their income level and the amount of taxes paid.

How sad that most Americans seem to think that it is our right to mercilessly exploit the less fortunate of the world, any way we can. I guess its just "Manifest Destiny", updated for the new millenium.

If any of you are wondering why many people in the world do not like Americans, this is a great example. For those of you who are arguing that impoverished undocumented workers deserve to be exploited, and who believe that the lives of non Americans have less inherent worth than the lives of Americans: You are the reason why people want to attack us. If you want to see the real cause of 9/11, look in the mirror.

I urge anyone who truly loves America to stand with me, and demand that our great nation treat people fairly and ethically. There is a lot that is right about America, and we shouldn't let the Pete Wilsons and the Ahoras ruin it.

You accuse Batster of speaking drivel because he disagrees with Kendricks. He lives in Mexico and knows hundreds of illegal aliens so he knows what he's talking about. What are your qualifications?

Yes, your idol was a coward and foolish idiot because of his actions of murdering innocent American civilians. I do not need to insult and accuse everyone that disagrees with me of being controlled by some kind of organization and incapable of making their own judgements and decisions. Only weak-willed whiners that complain about practically everything about American society while they reap more benefits that most of the world need to and consistently do so.

We're not talking about the actions of politicians or governments, we're talking about the actions of a pitiful degenerate. You are attempting to change the subject because your defense of your idol is paper-thin.

You have little idea of the basis for which people decide their values here. Disagreement with Kendricks does not constitute consumation and regurgitation of propaganda no matter how many times you say it.

Consumation and regurgitation of terrorist propaganda, that's impressive. As I said before, change the list of victims to include people you care about and the worship for your idol disintegrates. You know it, and everyone else following this thread knows it. I posed the following:

"How about if Kaczynski had managed to commandeer a jet and plowed it into a major American landmark, effectively killing thousands of people? Kaczynski's actions would still have been consistent, as he had still killed innocent American citizens (just in greater number) in the name of a protest against the entire technoindustrial system. That's a real question, Kendricks, feel free to contradict yourself and make exceptions to your logic"

You didn't answer except to admitting you were conflicted, whining some more about how terrible civilization is while you go about enjoying "hookers, fine tequila, microbrewed beers, motorcycles, the Internet, etc", and more idolization of a terrorist.

The only lasting impression he made was on fringe lunatics, that's why you don't have any of your buddies coming out and saying they respect the guy. The best attempt I've seen was an attempt to change the subject to government or politicians, which you do as well.

Again, we're not talking about governments or presidents, we're talking about an individual that decided he had the right to kill innocent American civilians and acted upon it. If he had targeted civilians that weren't American, than we would be talking about other people. Your attempt to pin a "rest of the world is subhuman" on me is simply crackerjack box word-twisting pulled out of the Kendricks book of "Strategies For Discrediting Others When Your Own Argument Is Weak".

Kendricks said, "I urge anyone who truly loves America to stand with me, and demand that our great nation treat people fairly and ethically." But Kendricks' arguments also imply that "if you're a twisted coward with no balls, go out and kill some innocent, defenseless American citizens that I don't know in the name of technoindustrial advancement that I so thoroughly enjoy when I'm not whining about it and I will worship you and lick your ass."

You've got to break a few eggs to make real mayonaise!

dArt

Both Roosevelt and ChurchHill knew of intercepted plans by Japenese to bomb Pearl Harbor 2 weeks before it happened. Instead of moving the fleet out they allowed the destruction we all know of too well to occur. The plan was to draw us into war.

Another great American hero, General Custer was the first to use biological warfare against native Americans after signing a peace treaty. He distributed blankets infected with Small Pox and killed countless innocent women and children.

Read Bury my Heart at Wounded Knee, it's all there We of course were taught he was a great American. Its all relative they were just bigger time terrorist and muderers than Kaczynski OR Dahmer. And there are many more.

Stop questioning by personal beliefs and look at history.

One more time for the record I DO NOT FUCKING ENDORSE THE FUCKING ACTIONS OF Kaczynski OR Dahmer. CAN YOU UNDERSTAND ME? DO YOU FUCKING UNDERSTAND ME? JESUS FUCKING CHRIST!

I will take a hiatus from posting for a while. Have a nice day.