Actually Ben you and kendricks are the confrontational ones. I just have to say something, anything and you guys jump all over me. I do have a right to my opinion so why dont you just understand that and move along.

I agree you are entitled to your opinion.

Where have I ever suggested you are not entitled to express your opinion?

I just find your ideas and the way you express them puzzling. You just seem to me to always be angry.

Thanks for posting a wonderful example of convoluted thinking:

"You accuse Batster of speaking drivel because he disagrees with Kendricks. He lives in Mexico and knows hundreds of illegal aliens so he knows what he's talking about. What are your qualifications?"

Bwahahahaha!!! The last time I checked, ILLEGAL ALIENS LIVE IN THE UNITED FUCKING STATES, NOT MEXICO!!! I live in Southern California, and am married to a wonderful woman who is a real live Mexican immigrant (who is now a US citizen).

Living in Southern California with a real Mexican immigrant puts one in touch with many more illegal immigrants than one comes in contact with by living in MEXICO.

I notice you have offered no defense of the COWARDLY cops and TWISTED politicians who only attack with overwhelming force and numbers, using technology that their adversaries cannot compete against. Talk about being nutless.

Now, as far as Kaczynski's manifesto goes, you are speaking from a position of ignorance, as you haven't even read the fucking thing. If you did read it, perhaps you would be able to engage in an intelligent conversation on the topic (although I am doubting this, too, given your statement that Batster knows more illegal immigrants than I do because he lives in Mexico LSHIBSAOTM!!!)

I stand by my comments that you consider non- Americans to be subhuman, as compared to Americans. Otherwise, why would you constantly make statements like "especially against Americans." You obviously don't give a shit about the millions of innocent people of the world who are routinely exploited and slaughtered, but you go into convulsions if an American is killed. Just like all of the hysterics about that little Orange County brat who got whacked recently. In all seriousness, who gives a fuck about one snotfaced little girl who's parents are stupid enough to let her run around outside by herself?

Try stepping outside of the little closed-minded perspective that was been into your head while you were supposedly being "educated".

And please, stop with the blatant fallacies such as "You accuse Batster of speaking drivel because he disagrees with Kendricks." No, I gave very solid reasons why I expressed my disappointment with Batster, none of which you refuted. Such sophomoric sophistry may work with others, but it's not going to slide here.

By the way, I had a wonderful weekend, which included the enjoyment of hookers, fine tequila, microbrewed beers, motorcycles, the Internet AND enjoyment of Kacynski's masterpiece (but not necessarily in that order). I read a little Bukowski, too, just for good measure...

There are so many wonderful things about America to enjoy, it really is a shame that we have people like Ashcroft, Falwell, Pete Wilson, and others of their ilk who want to make this country suck. Excuse me if I get emotional about this topic, but I want to see America get continually better and return to the ideals of freedom, not turn into a boring, fascist shithole.

It's not that big a mystery, Ben. If I had to go through life being Ahora, I'd be pissed off all the time, too.

Ahora, Ben and I heve never denied that you are entitled to your opinion. We are also entitled to our opinions of your opinion. Why don't you just understand that and move along.

Also, D'Art, please note that I am NOT advocating the killing of American citizens, or anyone else. I have made this point in the past many times, but you continually ignore it, and the content of Kaczynski's writings. What I am stating that Kaczynski's ideas contain tremendous merit, something that Bill Joy, chief scientist at Sun Microsystems, agrees with, by the way: http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/8.04/joy.html

Since you seem to be impressed more by credentials than the merit of ideas, what qualifies you as more of an expert on this topic than Bill Joy?

Dazed you are wrong about chemical warfare, the British where trying to infect Indians allied with the French with smallpox during the 7 years war. Regardless, what the fuck does that have to do with government policies today?
When people start dragging up shit that happened before we were born to either justify or critize something it shows that they have no other arguements or are just idiots.
Or maybe we are justified in mistreating illegals because General Santa Anna massacred some Texans 200 years ago...

"Remember the Alamo"

Maybe George Bush is just pissed off at Mexico because General/President Santa Anna tried to defend Mexico.

I wonder if we would still resent the British if they had won Revoluntionary War and still treated us as a colony?

I know Mexico is not our colony, but we do seem to enjoy their resources.

Kenny,

I have not changed my opinion about our immigration policies. They are complete BS. I am not sure what part of my humble comments torked you off. LOL Did you put to much sugar on your cornfalkes or what. LOL

My agreement with Ahora is on the taxation issue. Most illegals I have known have taxes deducted from their paychecks and never get any of it returned. I think that is the cost of being here illegally. The illegal knows that and accepts that. It is just the cost of doing business. I discussed this once with employees in one of our plants in California and several of them said that they don't mind. One guy even said it is only fair since he uses the roads and benefilts from police protection etc.

The government profits from it because they keep all of that money. Just another way that immigrants( even illegals) are a net plus. Do you ever wonder how all of that extra money is accounted for? Do you think it really all ends up in the general fund?

It all goes back to our conversation several months back. I think that our immigration laws are BS and cause social problems for both countrys. They need to be changed period. I sympathize and empathize with the immigrants. Unlike Ahora, I think the majority are good and decent people. But the fact remains that they are illegal and therefore don't qualify for all the same rights and protections offered to those who are here legally. Therefore my comment that illegals being unable to get tax returns is just a cost of being illegal.

As for my comments being drivel, they probably are. But it is my opinion. And now my feelings are really really hurt by your comments. I am a sensitive guy. Now that Kazinski shit, thats drivel. LOL

Oye Porque no me avisaste que ibas a venir? O prefieres operar en la anonimidad. Te hubiera invitado a tomar unas frias.

Estamos esperando tu reporte con lujo de detalle. Sobre todo en las partes XXX.

Thanks for the clarification, Batster. I would disagree with you on one point - everyone within our borders is entitled to be treated equally, regardless of immigration status. This is why Prop 187 was stricken by the courts, if you recall.

Voy a escribir mi reporte esta noche. Me da mucho gusto que disfutas a mis reportes! Solo para ti, voy a poner todos los detailles xxx.

Yo todavia no conozco en persona nadie de aqui, solo porque yo gasto mucho tiempo con mi esposa in Tijuana, y no quiero complicar mi vida mas que ya esta complicada. Por esto, cuando voy a la zona, me gusta anonimo.

Como tu, yo conozco muchos immigrantes Mexicanos, y casi todos son muy buenas personas. Es por eso que la degradation que miserables como Ahora pone a ellos me hace enojado. Deseo que entiendes, amigo.

Ben said, "I know Mexico is not our colony, but we do seem to enjoy their resources."

If there is anything that everyone on this board should be able to agree on, it is that we really, really do enjoy their resources....

Oh, come on.

Ben EXPLOITS their resources in the most disgusting manner.

Ben writes "Remember the Alamo "

Why remember >?
Did they go out of business ?


hahahaha
Milky

I thought you were going to suggest that I was there with Bowie and Crockett

Byron,

I am guilty..

Ah, the old "prostitution is exploitation" argument. I just don't buy it.

Ben gives the chicas a lot of money for their services, and treats them very well. He even takes a personal interest in them, and his generosity has been well chronicled on this forum.

Ben is a fine human being, and a noble benefactor to young Mexican women. Indeed, I feel privileged to belong to the same forum as the man.

Kendricks,

I am not going to change my will.

Now if only Ahora and Byron liked me.

Kendricks must have got laid this weekend

Ben is what every man wants to be when they hit the century mark.
Those who dislike him fit into 2 categories.
1. Jealous because he has such a good time in TJ and the chicas love him.
2. He fucked your novia and left little Bennies swimming inside her.

Like Kendricks I feel privileged to know and be good friends with the dirty old man.

Anybody who has a problem with him can take it up with me at the Grand Fiesta 2

your friend
Milky

Thanks Milky, but I don't know Kendricks.

kendricks is Ahoras other screenname

So you do know him
i meant in my post know meaning on the board you big lug

take care
Dogster

I say Ben should be nominated for the Nobel Prize???

Hey, if Arafat and Peres/Rabin can win it for Peace, why not me?

Charlton Heston and I have something in common

Chill Dazed, reread the post and note that it basically says "not even your friends will come out in support of the actions of Kaczynski".

Poor wording on my part regarding the Batster sentence but a good example of you attempting to twist wording into a belief to shift the debate. Batster knows the culture and people better, he lives in the midst of them. He also happens to know of hundreds of illegal immigrants, likely working in construction. So when discussing what risks an illegal immigrant takes and whether they are acceptable, Batster apparently knows what he is talking about. I'll bet all his friends in Mexico and the illegal immigrants he knows aren't big whiners either.

You still attempt to bring up actions of elected officials when we're discussing actions of civilians. You can't reasonably justify your idol's actions as a common civilian, so you attack actions of elected officials...changing the subject because your argument is weak.

You still don't differentiate between ideas and actions. No one needs to read your idol's writings to comment on his actions and evaluate him as a person. Keep your idol's writings consistent and change his targets to illegal Mexican immigrants or legal immigrant Mexican wives of US citizens and everyone knows your support evaporates.

I have no qualms at all about your idol's technoindustrial views, but his views did not justify his actions. Bill Joy understood that. Bill Joy agreed with some of his arguments without respecting his actions as a terrorist murderer. Keep the motivations consistent and change a victim to Mrs. Kendricks, and poof, there goes your support.

Your subhuman point is ridiculous. We're currently debating the justification of the murder of random and targeted American citizens on American soil by an American civilian. You keep wandering off, so I need to remind you we're talking about Americans.

You didn't politely state your opinion of Batster's points, you simply dismissed his comments as drivel.

At least we're in agreement about Ashcroft, Falwell, and Wilson. If you have to complain why don't you complain about them rather than sing the praises of terrorists. Better yet, why don't you write limericks or tell us about your wonderful weekend.

I am telling you, kendricks' admiring Kaczynski in one thread and then talking about buyring QCOM in another thread is not unlike a guy fighting in the Afghan war while loaning money to Al Qaeda for profit.

kendricks' "admitting to be conflicted" does not give him a license to be THAT conflicted.

It should be obvious, but to make it clear, kendricks' admiring Kaczynski in one thread and then talking about buying QCOM in another thread is not unlike a US soldier fighting in the Afghan war while his talking about loaning money to Al Qaeda for profit.

First, I am not a soldier for Kaczynski. I think I have made that clear that I would rather live out my days indulging in hedonistic pleasure than fighting to save humanity from the fate it so richly deserves.

I do think that Kaczynski is right in that the system is taking control of the details of peoples' lives, and is turning them into tiny cogs in a giant machine. I have yet to see anyone in here meaningfully refute any of his substantive ideas.

But, so long as this is going to happen anyway, I might as well have as much fun on this sinking ship, before it goes completely under. In the big scheme of things, what difference does it make if I buy trade QCOM shares and options? I think the irony is a riot, actually.

Anyway, as far as your example of the US soldier goes, that would be almost as absurd as the US government selling weapons to the Iranians in order to fund covert wars. And we all know THAT would never happen...

D art,

I probably don't know as much about all this shit as I think I do. I just like to blow alot of hot air. I have lived and worked in Mexico since 98, but that does not really make me an expert. Just another Hombre with an opinion. But I have thought extensively about the immigration issue. Eons ago my thesis was about the effects of illegal immigration on US society.

In a nutshell, I don't condone illegal immigration. Just like I do not condone the use of drugs or killing people in the streets. As long as the law is as it is the government needs to try to enforce it.

What I do think is bullshit are the laws themselves. IMHO they are BS laws. They do more harm than good. The law of supply and demand is stronger than any immigration law. As long as there are jobs here and people starving there, illegals will meet the demand. And the laws that force these people into extremely dangerous positions to try to meet an existing demand are immoral IMHO.

I also think that most illegals are good people just trying to get ahead. I have personally hired dozens of them( I complied with all INS requirements as for documentation, not my job to prove the documents are false) And no I have not taken advantage of them. I provided the same pay and benefits that I provided to legal citizens, whites, blacks, etc. I have know many that have regularized their situation, purchased houses and became valuable contributors to our society. I am proud to count them among my freinds. So I think it is grossly unfair to say all of them are lying thieving scumbags which is the position that some hombres take.

But the immigration issue is not a simple issue and I think it is never treated with sufficient thought. I don't think it is all black and white. I thin kit is just another BS poilicy of the government. Kind of like the war on drugs. The only thing achieved through the war on drugs has been a reduction in our civil liberties. Drugs are just as available as always. Once again there are no laws stronger than the economic law of supply and demand.

As for Kendricks dismissing my comments as drivel, I could not believe the inconsiderate bastard. The nerve. Who does he think he is? LOL. The truth of the matter about 90 percent of what everyone writes on this board is drivel. Thats what I like about this board. I mean seriously, where else are we going to find someone that admires the Unabomber? Where else will we find someone that fought at the Alamo? Where else will
we chat with a Kinkle regular( milky)? LOL. So what if sometimes we disagree? Panocha brings us together.

I will be happy to invite any monger out and about on Wedensday afternoon to continue this conversation over a bucket of brews at La Tropa.

Batsterwhohastoomuchtimeonhishandstoday

Hey Kendricks.

Why don't you just use/quote Orwell instead of Kaczynski. I don't think Orwell ever sent anybody a bomb.

What do you mean "that would never happen"? You big lug.

Also your QCOM trade looks pretty damn good right now. What a fuckin hypocrite. You should give all profits to me, you pinko communist

Kendricks,

Entiendo perfectamente tu deseo de operar en anonimidad. Lo que pasa conmigo, aunque parece imposible, es que como estoy con mexicanos todo el tiempo, de vez en cuando me gusta tratar con mis paisanos. Y como comunidad, nosotros los mongers, mantenemos algo de anonimidad. entonces si me gusta platicar y pasar ratos amenos con ALGUNOS de las personajes de este foro. Porque no es un amistad con compromiso. Ya se que es muy extrano, pero asi siento.

Suerte amigo. Y no te procupas te perdono por adorar al unabomber. LOL

(1) "what the fuck does that have to do with government policies today?" -- PwSl.

The policies toward native amaricans and many other groups are the same generally, if not specifically, as they were during the Manifest Destiny era. See the declassified counterintelligence program papers (e.g., the collection published by Ward Churchill and James Van der Wall.) Those documents, among other things, bring us to the '70s or so. Nuthin' has changed since.

(2) Also, there are plenty of declassified documents at this point that make clear that Roosevelt not only knew about, but intentionally provoked, the Pearl Harbor attack. (a la Dzd's point)

(3) I don't think there's anything particularly remarkable about the Unabomber's manifesto. It combines Eisenhower/Kennedy/Johnson/Nixon-era ideas related to the "military-industrial complex, 60's era extremism, and a few other things. I agree that his writings sound coherent and nearly sane (though I'm not saying I agree with them, by a long shot). At the same time, such "manifestos" are often produced by paranoids and paranoid schizophrenics, especially at the onset of their illnesses. So he was a talented mathemetician, who later wrote a "manifesto", who later moved to a remote place and lived as a hermit in a tiny shack, and who sent letter bombs to people. It all makes sense ... the dude's thinking got increasingly paranoid and at some point he decided to kill the problem, which he of course perceived as being external to himself. [If you are familiar with the (true) story of John Nash (Beautiful Mind), you know that his tale is somewhat similar to Kaczinsky's...] It also makes sense that gullible people on the outside looking in, reading his manifestso, might conclude that the dude was sane and even wise (e.g., some computer company CEO geek). There's a great quote by Einstein on this matter, that goes something like this: "Any genius can be an idiot outside his area of expertise."

(4) I just heard of an interesting book by an FBI psychological profiler (Candice Delong). She was involved in the profiling of the Unabomber, and apparently she writes about it in her book.

All of these points are somewhat tangential to the thread as it has "evolved." I mention these things at the risk of injecting something interesting into this conversation.

Arrogantly, correctly, interestingly, brilliantly,
Dogster

Good post Batster!

You are correct that many issues are complex. That they have a home here on a site about prostitution is evidence of the depth and variety of this site's participants.

It really does not bother me whether anyone here respects people that I don't or believe in things that I don't.

What does bother me is when people attack other people for their beliefs. This includes dismissing their opinions as evidence of ignorance or calling people sheep and slaves because they disagree.

You can take Kendricks comments lightly because you are familiar with him, but how about someone new or someone unfamiliar with him? Again, I don't care so much if he likes a terrorist, but when he calls everyone that doesn't ignorant sheep for not reading the terrorist's writings, then I think that's an insult to practically everyone here and is a detriment to the free flow of ideas.

Anyways, let's go back to enjoying Mexico's and the rest of the world's resources.

D Art,

Careful there, I am familiar with Kendricks musings, not with Kendricks personally. LOL. I have said more than once that Kendricks scares me a little bit. But then so does milky. He talks way to much about transexuals. Hee hee.

Most of the time though I have absolutley no clue what Kendricks, Dogster, and Byron are talking about. They make me feel like I am still in kindergarden. LOL.

About the only thing I really understand are the good juicy gratuitous sex details on Bens cutie pie reports(Thanks Ben). Oh and I understand the pictures pretty well also( thanks D Art).

hallelujah.... amen....

ka - BOOM!

Batster: I'm in kindergarden, too. Actually I'm in 3rd grade. My daddy lets me come on the internet (so to speak), so I come here. Shh... don't tell mommy. or daddy.

p.s., what is a puta?

De nada Bat.

Hopefully, I will send you a very comprehensive report on Thursday.

Dogster,

You are one well educated and talented writer. Also a great sense of humor.

Obviously, you did not go to the University of Oklahoma.

Ben,

More than likely Dogster never spent any time in the oil patch or punchin cows. Obviously those activities arrested our intellectual development. I agree with you that dogster is a very talented writer. So is Kendricks. So is your buddy Byron for that matter. But I bet I can drink more beer than they can. Hey Hey. Gotta be proud of something. Look forward to the Thursday report.

Dogster,

Keep up the third grade writings. I get a kick out of them even if I don't understand half of them.

Batstertheilliteratebeerguzzler.

(3) I don't think there's anything particularly remarkable about dogster's posts. They combine the third-grade level science with some sort of psychology which is a pseudo science. I agree that his writings sound coherent and nearly sane (though I'm not saying I agree with them, by a long shot). At the same time, such "posts" are often produced by sex addicts, especially when they are not getting barebacks. So he was an untalented psychologist, who later wrote extensively on the website covering sex tourism, who later moved to San Diego and lived as a hotage of Tania/AB. It all makes sense ...

Ok Byron I don't want you to feel slighted.

For a sword carrying, banzi mental case, you also write very well.

By the way will your novia be working Wednesday night?

I am not sure what this has to do with illegals, but why are people whining about what roosevelt may or may not have known about pearl harbor? That got us into the war, which was absolutely essential if we were to survive nazism. Had we stayed out of the war, we probably would have faced a Nazi europe armed with the British fleet. Would we have been able to defeat that?

PS,

This is one of those long threads where we discuss just about everything and we usually forget what the topic was. I usually add nothing valuable to the thread but enjoy seeing where it all goes.

As to wether or not we could defeat a Nazi Germany armed with a British fleet is an interesting question. My guess is yes. For several reaons.

1. German armed forces were to heavily composed of Foreign conscripts and sooner or later they would have had serious problems.

2. Hitler was never ready to try to cross the English Channel, yet alone the Atlantic.

3. Once the US got the production geared up for war the chances of the Axis succeeding were practically nil.

I am a Len Deighton fan. He wrote a great novel about England after a Nazi conquest. called "SS-GB" fun read. Not near as stimulating though as the "Unabomber Manifesto".

Now what were we talking about. I think we should get back to reporting on the plundering of Mexican females.

Yipee yi yi yo, git along little Batsterd.

And stop staggering (drunkelnly) around the Zona Norte shouting, “Ho! Ho!” Now I get it—-In yer inebriated stupor, you are just herding cattle, and looking for gushers. I feel yer pain. I can totally understand the overwhelming urge toward pumping and drilling, thank you, just not in some figgin’ dustbowl oil patch.

I suppose that we could meet in the zona for a brew (x100) and discourse on the vicissitudes of winter, the prospects of spring calving, herding mongrel Whorefords, the June roundup, and the joy eating calf testicles. Maybe Byron will manage to choke down some Rocky Mountain Oyster Sushi (a local specialty, conservatively speaking).

Okee dokie. I see that my experience with several hundred head means nothing to Hamster1 or Benster (Ben is this board’s resident stork broker).

Yours in grazing…
Dogster

P.S. I am not whining about Pearl Harbor, and I suspect that neither is Dazed (who brought up this subject). I just find it amazing that the actual chain of events was so different than common perception. Sixty years after the fact, we can look back at the facts. We can see clearly that several high-ranking Americans were unfairly made into scapegoats. We can understand quite clearly why the Japanese attacked, and we can see their actions in a more favorable light. (at least until Byron’s next lame-ass post).

OK, OK, I took a time out to write up a brief report of the enjoyment of Mexico's resources I partook in yesterday. I even through in a few gratuitous sex details for Ben and Batster.

OK, OK, I took a time out to post a brief report of the enjoyment of Mexico's resources I partook in yesterday. I even threw in a couple of gratuitous sex details for Ben and Batster.

Ben I do get angry because I dont enjoy getting attacked every time I open my mouth. I only get like that when someone attacks me and you would find me a completely different person if you would not ALWAYS HAVE ME ON THE DEFENSIVE.

As for you Kendricks you have proven yourself to be a complete idiot. You are also a coward. You have let your mouth overload your ass and have come to a point where your bashing and constant attacks on me behind your computer result in me and others considering you a complete and utter coward. Your hero worship of murderers also just leads me to conclude you are a nutcase also.

Grow Up.

Ha ha! Yeah, that sounds like the words of a man who is at peace with himself and the world. Anyway, your view of the world is deluded: you have posted unprovoked comments that you would laugh your ass off if Ben is jailed. What kind of treatment do you expect when you post that kind of crap?

Ok Ahora,

August 22, I buy your beer and you keep me out of jail.

By the way, I just read an article that goat meat was the most healthy meat to eat of all carne. Not sure about a cross between goat and lamb.

Only one meat has all the nutrients that your body will ever require.Natures most perfect food for humans.It's not goat either but Jeff Dahmer knew how to prepare it.

Ben is what you and Charley Heston have in common is a dislike for Soylent Green?

Kendricks you started in on me a long time before that comment was made to ben. My point was that drugs in Mexico are a serious issue and I am a firm beleiver in you reap what you sow. If I did drugs in Mexico I would feel the same way. No matter what anyone on this board says or does they should not be attacked unless you are ready to back it up since you feel so strongly. I would rather just get along and discuss thing not fight about them.

Ben I will accept your offer if I can make it there. I am always willing to save a few bucks. No hard feelings.