ummm-- max:

ARODs combined post season stats throughout career:

.330 .395 .583 (avg, obp, slg)

Now for your hero Jeter:
.306 .380 .456 (great $#s, but sorry, ARODs post season #s well exceed his).

Max, like I originally asked-- do you have any data to back up your diatribe?

Pork:

Out of all 3rd/ss to ever play, he's rated 5th.

honus wagner
mike schmidt
wade boggs
cal ripken


I personally rate him #1, but that's my opinion.

Wade Boggs-- please!

Schmidt still better as of now and you have to remember to talk about defense as well where Schmidt was a perennial Gold Glover. At short, Ripken has it with a stellar defensive shortstop with 400+ homers and 3,000+ hits, and then there is the Iron Man record. ARod likely to get there one day but if he's close to Schmidt's numbers and doesnt have the gold goves to go with it...Schmidt still better.

As the resident Orioles (and now Nationals) fan, my question to the forum:

At the beginning of last season, perhaps the four best shortstops currently in the game were in the AL East - Nomar in Boston, Miguel Tejada in Baltimore, and Jeter and A-Rod in New York. Think of A-Rod as "shortstop in exile", ok. Now, comparing pure stats from all of last year and the first month of this season, which of those four would you want as your starting shortstop?

Let's see, here were Tejada's numbers for 2004:

Games -162 At bats -653 Runs -107 Hits -203 Doubles -40 Home Runs -34 RBI -150 (no shit) Batting Avg -.311 OBP -.360 Slg -.534 OPS -.894

So far this year:

Games -24 At bats -99 Runs -19 Hits -37 Home runs -9 RBI -32 (really, no shit) Batting average -.374 OBP -.417 Slg -.737 OPS -1.154 (amazing).

UMMMM I don't think Nomar belongs in this discussion.
After that's said -- Give me A-Rod first ,second, and third.

(Message edited by Khun_Mor on May 02, 2005)

Tejada is damn good, BUT I'll take AROD with one eye gouged out over him.

Frank Robinson for Manager of the Decade?

For compiling a stellar 13-17 road record (same as the mighty Seattle Mariners so far) in a little over 2 months? Give me a break. White Sox (Guillen) best record in baseball. In the NL, Diamondbacks 33-29 a year after being one of the worst teams in the history of the sport.

Tejada's hitting like a little kid compared to the mighty Brian Roberts so far. And Tejada's been GOOD!

I knew I liked Wells.. ya sure I did...

Anyway-- Go, Wells, Go! I promise not to bad mouth ya next time!

This is much better than the WS.

Ohh ya,

Dear Supreme being AROD,

Stop hitting for a couple games-- PLZ! You and that over rated SS (hint: Je*er) came through last year and I need the favor once again. I've got a couple spinners waiting for you (in bkk) after the series is a wrap.

Your Fan,

DonMarcowillGONUTSifyouknockdaSoxoutOFthePlayoffs







(Message edited by donmarco on September 30, 2005)

Yanks survived Mussina the Human Torch on the mound today. If the BIG UGLY wins manana, he vaults to the top of the AL Cy Young list, IMO, despite a sub-human (FOR HIM) season.

What's the scenario for a 3-way tie on Monday? Quite a last weekend, if you ask me.

(Message edited by Porker on October 01, 2005)

BTW, Max-i-dummy: Arod knocked # 48 today. ANd his D's just SLIGHTLY better than BEEG Papi's at DH!

Hopefully the sox/yanks will both get in. The hell with the tribe. Tough imagining when 94 or so wins doesn't get you in the playofffs tho for any team.

I smell a one game playoff coming up with Curt(Gascan)Schilling going for the Beantown Sox. You know the Yankees would love nothing more than forcing Boston and Cleveland to play one more game.

Porker
Are you directing a post at me?
If So it is SIR Maximus to you.
Apparently must not be as I am brilliant.
Your post makes no sense BTW.
You are the ARod fan. And you seem to be bashing his D which you claim to be so superior to Jeter.
All I know is I posted at the begining of the season that the Yankees would come back and win the division and they did just that because they are a team with heart and are true Champions,
Now on to Anaheim where they will avenge their 2002 beating.
I will be in attendance on tues night and no frickin rally monkey to deal with.

BTW Porker did you happen do see the easy ground ball that ROLLED under Arod's glove and through his Legs?

JETER HAS NEVER DONE THAT.

I forgot I need to make simple posts if I expect you to even comprehend 1/2 of what I say: The point: Arod's bat was clearly the best in the A.L. this year, and his playing in the field every day makes him the MVP over David Ortiz.

I don't know how you dragged Jeter into that, but since you did, I'll say again: They don't give MVP awards to someone that hits LIKE A LITTLE GIRL.

Playoffs will be pretty interesting this year. Looks like every team has exactly ONE good starting pitcher, except Boston, which doesn't have ANY unless you stretch things and say FAT Wells counts, and Houston, which has Clemens, Oswalt and Pettite. Of course Houston can't hit...

The AL teams are:

NY
LA
Boston
Chicago

Could the networks ask for any better combination?

Porker wrote:
"They don't give MVP awards to someone that hits LIKE A LITTLE GIRL."

You are right again and that is why
JETER HAS A WORLD SERIES MVP AWARD.
He is a awesome hitter and one of the hardest outs to get in baseball.

BY the way little girls can't hit major league pitchers for opposite field strength home runs like Jeter did Friday night vs the Bosox.

BTW can you even hit a major league pitcher?
If not you should not comment on soemthing you have never done. Is that not what you told me about commenting about PI?

I can and have hit a major league pitcher.
I know what it takes. Jeter has it and alot more.




(Message edited by maximus743 on October 03, 2005)

Derek Jeter may well end up with 3,000 hits, quite an accomplishment for any player much less a shortstop. Of course Arod will get 500 more. In the HR dept., Arod makes Jeter look like Bucky Bleepin' Dent.

Max, where'd you hit that major league pitcher? In the nuts?

I don't know too many little girls that could be sixth in the AL in avg, sixth in OBP, have over 200 hits, score 122 runs and hit 19 hr. He can hit anywhere in the lineup and could probably hit 30 hr's if needed.

Sure he's not Arod, Manny or Ortiz but he's pretty damn good and has made some of the most memorable defensive plays as well.

max, with all that smack, I may have to organize a summer softball game for the hombres and see you hit. I have a feeling the infield will be playing in a bit...

Jeter is a solid SS, he's in the top 25 of current players, which is pretty darn good. Then again vs a top 25 ALL TIME player like AROD's, Jeter is akin to being his LITTLE BITCH. Now down on your knee's GIRL!

Porker,
I played College ball and was in the CA angels farm system before injury. I can give a list of Pro pitchers that I hit against. I also hit against Pro pitchers current and retired at baseball fantasy camps.

DonMarco

I would love an hombres softball game.
THe infield definitely would have to play in as I can beat out a routine grounder with my quickness.
I play softball five times a week and am leadoff hitter vs guys half my age.

Can you guess my overal avg?

Btw I am a pure hitter, almost always hitting a line shot right between third and short.
Despite hitting for the guaranteed single/sometimes double and being small at only 5"10 176. I do hit the long ball.

I love it when guys play in as I jack it over their heads EVERY TIME or I'll jack one in the gap or down the line. I had a homer in ten of 11 games but now taking it easy in the last two games playing with a sprained left shoulder bicep area, a pinched nerve in the right arm and a painful left achilles heel problem.

I play this WEd night in Beverly Hills if you care to stop by.

Max, those brain injuries have ruined many a career. Sucks, dude.

Dr.Evil, sorry but guys that slug .450 (same same as the mighty Ronnie Belliard) hit like LITTLE GIRLS compared to guys that hit .320 with 48 bombs and slug over .600. Doesn't mean they're not fine baseball players, just that they don't belong in discussions about 'who's better'?, when as DM points out, the other guy's one of the greatest players in the history of the sport.

Jeez, what the hell got into Randy Winn in San Fran.? .359? .680 slugging %? WHAT? I knew he was hot down the stretch, but posting those kind of #'s for even 1/3 of a season for a guy with a proven track record as a mediocre player is pretty amazing. Associating with Barry Bonds did that guy some GOOD!

Slugging .450 is good for a leadoff hitter. There's a lot more to the game than home runs which, and I repeat myself, Jeter could hit a lot more of if that was what the Yankees needed from him. However with Arod, Sheffield, Giambi, Matsui etc. behind him it isn't his role. He'll do whatever is needed to win without regard to personal stats.

Also I did not mention him for MVP, that goes to Arod, I'm just responding to your comment that he hits like a little girl. That ignorant comment reduces any credibility you may have had.

COMPARED TO AROD Jeter (and just about everybody else) HITS LIKE A LITTLE GIRL. Period.

So once again you insist on proving you are an idiot. I've never met you but I'm starting to get a pretty good picture: short, chubby white guy, never very good at sports or with women. Now through mongering and the internet you feel empowered to subject the rest of us to your biased opinions and screw anyone that doesn't agree with you.

DE, 42 posts in 4 years and most of those posts of no redeaming value and you start taking swipes at someone (Porker) who is 1) stating their opinion and 2) stating the truth because he 1) worded it strongly is 1) assnine.

He didn't attack you personally whereas you did. And you profess to be? Please... Crawl back in your 42 post hole where you belong like a good troll. I butt heads with Porker perhaps more than anyone, but I'll take an opinionated loud mouth who happens to add a lot of value and be a great guy over a mellow meathead anyday.

"COMPARED TO AROD Jeter (and just about everybody else) HITS LIKE A LITTLE GIRL. Period."


For the learning disabled, the qualifier for the assertion is "compared"

Right on pork!


Max, I would love to make a few SB games at least as a heckler. I haven't played seriously in a few years, but played some ball in my day and stay still make things interesting. My dad was in the Ranger's farm league, whereas I opted to devote most of my time to "the" sport-- football! No regrets except for a few too many knocks to the head ;)

My home town is a haven for retired pro atheletes, so the summer league I used to play in becomes quite a spectacle. As for pro pitchers I've hit against, probably the most notable would be Bob Stanley, who I took long, but then again a lot of guys took him deep

(Message edited by donmarco on October 04, 2005)

Don Marco don't be as big an ass as your buddy Porker. I've been through this numerous times, I changed my handle a few months ago (from Jesse) which reset my number of posts to 0. Porker has attacked me personally in the past and his opinion in this case is assinine.

That's my opinion.

I still think Pujols deserves MVP over Jones. But then you have to go through the debate of whether MVP is actually most valuable player or player of the year. I define it as player of the year because there isnt an alternative award to MVP. Going by numbers, Pujols edges out Jones but Jones is a defensive marvel so they might make it closer.

Porker
My brain is working fine.
THe only one with brain injuries is you.
But thanks for the thoughts anyway.

DonMarco,
I encourage you to get back out there, it's alot of fun and you don't want to get out of shape like your head butting buddy.

(Message edited by maximus743 on October 04, 2005)

White Sox take early lead. Oh yeah.

DM, reading comprehension ain't these guys' strong suits. I'm sure they have many other fine gifts.

p.s. DonMarco

Try to know what you're talking about before you call someone a troll and a meathead. Looks like you and your butt buddy porker are just right for each other.

Pujols had his normal year across the board, which is pretty damned great. Derek Lee had the year of his LIFE, though, and by the numbers it was better than Pujols'. Of course his team was buried in the standings behind Pujols', which means that Lee probably doesn't have much of a shot, though if his team was in the NL WORST, the Cubs would have been in the thick of the division race.

Andruw Jones hit .263. I don't care how f'in good your defense is (and it ain't what it used to be), you don't give MVP awards to guys that hit for that kind of avg. Lee and Pujols outhit him by SEVENTY POINTS.

DE-- now at 44 I think and still worthless info...

next handle try gollum.

Frankly I, as well as most others on this board, don't care what you think.

At least I don't have a photo of a ladyboy on my homepad.

I just walked in the door from a long but fun day.
Watched the Yanks spank the likely supposed CY young award winner.

BTW the NON girlie JETER hit the 97 mph throwing Colon three times for base hits and the supposed no one can hit as hard as Arod hit it so hard NOONE even saw the ball as in they gave him O Hits and he really rocketed a powder puff grounder to short for a routine DP.

As a Yankee Fan I really wish AROD would get it together in the postseason. That is what really counts and JETER rules in the post season.!

Very pleased to see former Yankee Contreras and the White Sox destroyed the REd sox 14-2.

Colon was the starter the day Arod hit 3 bombs and had 10 RBI in 6 innings. I'm sure his failure to repeat that performance last night was because his nads shrink in terror once the post-season starts.

And talk is that your boy Mariano Rivera will get a sort of 'lifetime achievement award' gift of the Cy Young. Might even deserve it this year as there were no dominant starters.

Had the Indians made the playoffs, you could make a good case for Bob Wickman. He led the league in saves with 45 and had a 2.47 ERA. Granted it wasnt as good as Rivera's 1.38 ERA nor his 7-4 record but where would the Indians be without this closer who was unemployed at the start of the season and nobody wanted him. He at least gets bonus points for the major league player that most resembles your average monger.

I don't usually support a reliever for Cy Young but I agree the lack of a dominant atarter should give it to Rivera. The Yanks could get the Cy Young, MVP and AL Rookie (Cano).

Lucky Arod didn't pitch, or he'd win the CY also.

Arod is trying to give away his MVP.
Second Error in four games.
Crucial and costly tonight.

The ROY has made his share of errors this past week as well, but his first inning hit in game one was so big he was called player of the game. Helped that Mussina was a MAN and pitched out of trouble, unlike game 2's dreck. Better watch out or they'll start hollering for WOMACK (hahaha!), the guy almost single-handedly responsible for the hole the Yankees were in to start the year. Well, he and TORRE the fool that kept running his sorry ass out there.

Arod's error hurt, no doubt, but not sure what they expect starting some Taiwanese rookie in the postseason. WEAK.

No mention of Jeter's looking overmatched by the rather pedestrian Lackey?

I'll take a split on the road with RJ going in game three. Hopefully Chacon can wrap it up on Saturday or Mussina is gonna have to do it again. Womack was the worst, took him about two months to get an extra base hit, .276 OBP for a leadoff hitter. Hopefully we won't see him except to pinch run.

If the bosox fold, I guess I'm stuck with cheering on the ChiSox or Arod in those dreadful pinstripes...

Good luck to all with their respective home/fav team.