Well guys,

This is probably the most common story in the world, a guy meets a girl and they fall in love! But as well all know, most of us here are meeting girls while mongering in a foreign country. Now, I meet a girl in Rio a few weeks ago, not my first or second trip down to brazil, so basically I was kinda suprised to develop feelings for a person there, since usually I couldnīt careless about relationships with these garotas. Anyways, from the first time I saw her, I was shocked. Nervous and stressed, but the session went well, from my understanding she had been on the program for 3 years, being 21 of age now, myself being under 30 also with blue eyes / blond hair if that matters. Afterwards we went to a restaraunt and my friend came over to translate, we agreed to spend a whole weekend together for the price of 400 reals, she seemed to like me a lot. Now, then the weekend came and we had a great time together, for the first time, I was enjoying 5 hour periods of constant loving, sex and games. After the weekend, she didnt want any money except for the cabfare and we spent the next week together, she took some time off from work. Then the dreaded departure from the seemingly neverending fantasy came, she cried for hours and didnīt want any money at all. I waved 1600 reals infront of her, she just cried and said no. Anyways, I promised if she learned some more english I would invite her to my country for a few weeks and I could pay for the english courses. Now we have been in daily email contacts, I think she stopped working, Iīm not sure thou, but she doesnt want me to send her any money for the courses or for anything for a matter of fact. The only thing she wants, is for us to get a tattoo together, exchanging names, well thats another story. So my question is, could this be true? Can releationships work on a foundation like this? I can forgive and forget her past, but can she? Can she forget my mongering past? My instinct tell me to go for it. But I would like to some input please.

IMO, it could be real? But remember your dealing with a GDP.

Any foreigner, of any race or creed, is also seen as a garota's way out of the hood. We are seen as "walking ATM's". I've seen too many suckers taken. Of course, there are a few success stories around.

Will she be able to adapt to where you live? Many garotas get homesick, very fast.

The old adage, "you can take a girl out of the whorehouse, but can you take the whore out of her"? Or, "I married you, not your family".

It was free now, but will it be free later? I've heard of way too many romances, costly one's in the end.

Good luck to you, and proceed with CAUTION. sf4dfish

Listen to your head a little, and not your little head. You had a weekend of fucking and affection. You needed someone to translate for you so you both obviously can't communicate. Take away the sex and what do you have?

Sounds like the typical RRFD (Rio Recipe For Disaster)

Feel free to replace "Rio" with the mongering city of your choice.

Have her become fluent in English, spend a lot of time in Rio with her (and learn some Portuguese). Spend TWO YEARS getting to know her. THEN you can evaluate the situation realistically.

Now, your story is VERY typical, and 99% of the time has an unhappy ending of one sort or another. Plus, the only way you're going to get her into the US (assuming you're American) is a K-1 (fiancee) visa, which is WAY too premature.

Enjoy it while you can, but my advice would be to make NO commitments,

Run, you will be tired of banging her soon enough. To much pussy down there to settle for one , dont wind up like me, last time I was in rio , I was there for 5 weeks , with a body count under 10

Having a just finished a similar experience which didn't end the way I wanted. I say keep it going. As long as you can afford it, ride the wave. Great waves are hard to find. Ride the great ones as long as you can. Always remember the price (emotionally and financially) goes up the longer you stay.

Be aware of how this could end, like Hunterman said, you'll never get her to the US without a K-1 or K-3 visa. And even then, you'll need to prove you have known her for years. So take alot of dated pictures now, document everything, ride the wave for the next couple of years, and see where the wave takes you.

The last thing to remember, if US immigration gets a hint she ever had sex for money you're fucked! She has to show how she supported herself for the years since she finished school. If there is a goverment record that she gets tested for STD regularly in Brazil, I think your fucked! I never got that far, but my lawyers did warn me about it.

Great waves are hard to find

one perceives a wave as "great" until a better ones comes along...

Forget about the ho, perhaps throw her a shag next trip (PAY her), and make damn sure you sample all the pussy you can. If you do this several trips and you still think you can't do without her, learn to commicate with her and practice while banging her once or twice each trip.



"I can forgive and forget her past, but can she? Can she forget my mongering past?"


Your serious? Your worried about whether a whore will accept the fact you mongered? That's too funny!!

Grettir,

It's good to have company. I will follow your relationship and use it as a blueprint. On second thought, that depends on how things turn out.

Good luck my friend,

Jag

Get-Do you play the lottery in your home state? Know what the odds are of winning. About the same as your prospects for this relationship. Donīt get me wrong. You could get real lucky...but odds are against it.

Thanks guys,

Well to add some more info, she seems to indeed have quit on the program and started school, note I did not pressure her to do so at all, well except to start some english courses. So a nice suprise here atleast.

Well, she wonīt even need a visa to come here, its a small scandinavian country, but it can be cold. She could basically stay here for 3 months without any problems a couple of times per year atleast.

About the language barrier, I kinda liked it while I was in Rio, practising together and making fun of eachother while trying to communicate. While emailing eachother it can be annoying however. So I picked up some portuguese courses.

I could afford to go to brazil afew times per year If I wanted. So I might go back in January to meet her, she is coming here in december for 2 weeks. Of course, here is my first expense, paying for the ticket ;)

"Can she forget my mongering past?" Well if I were her, its something I would think about. I have been with a "number" of other woman. So could I trust a uprising monger? I would guess these girls have a hardtime trusting other men.

I think I will go for this, for the first time in 12 years I have some feelings for another girl, exploring this might be worth the risk whichever way it goes.

Iīll keep you guys posted



(Message edited by grettir on September 30, 2005)

"Can she forget my mongering past?" Well if I were her, its something I would think about. I have been with a "number" of other woman. So could I trust a uprising monger? I would guess these girls have a hardtime trusting other men.


It's not whether she will trust you, it's whether you can trust her... Your the alpha male, your the MAN, if she don't like it cast her off and resume the hunt. All the better...

My advice is to enjoy yourself. As long as you are having fun, and she is having fun, it really doesn't matter whether you are paying her or what all the people on this board think.

But if it ever stops being fun, then think hard about what you are doing.

Grettir -

Yes, your story is the most common in the world of mongering.

I agree with Hunterman's advice. Take your time with this lovely. Committment before knowing her well for 2-years or more is simply stupid. After 2-years of observing her you can make a more informed decision.

I've nearly fallen into this trap a couple of times. I find myself really enjoying the company of a specific chica when all of a sudden my romance bone makes me think that maybe it can last forever...obviously not true.

To protect myself I have developed an escape story. I like to tell my chicas that my heart has been broken from divorce and I will never marry again. But then, I say I "think" I will never marry again...I leave a little hope to keep the GFE strong. Whenever I detect my chica is getting too serious, I drop the "been burned" story to cool her off.

String her along as best you can, but for your own good...know that there is no such thing as a perfect relationship that lasts forever and very...and I mean VERY few married men are long-term "honestly" happy. (Unless they are mongering).

Realize that there is such a phenomenon as the 7-year itch...just about the time your babies become kids and mommy no longer needs to carry them...your biological job and sexual drive for this woman is over. Your need to procreate with this woman will have been met. Your lustful wants for other women will grow stronger and you will start to look for new and exciting women to fuck...to plant your seed to meet your subconscious need to ensure your genes (now in another new flavor) live-on. We all have it, some of us stronger than others...but it is the primary reason why most of us monger...and why sometimes when we meet a woman with superior genes (nice tits, ass, face, personality) we start to think of committment and marriage...those damn hormone driven chemicals in our bodies make us all (one time or another) pussy whipped!

Come-up for air dude. Recognize and overcome. Get smart.

AJ

blonde, blue eyed, under 30

Are you decent looking and in shape, too?? And not too socially challenged??

95% of the girls in Rio will be interested in you!!

I would keep trying some more girls.

Or, if you have to, stay with one half of the time, and with the other 10 000 the other half of the time.

Grettir, as you saw when you were down here, I'm in a similar situation. Life's short, don't be afraid to take a chance if everything feels right. Just keep one eye on your wallet and the other on your heart.

You're going to run into problems hanging out with your friends in Rio without her around. If you're in Help, someone will call her and tell her you're with a girl--even if you're only with guys. It can get tough.

And if she can take two weeks in your country in December, it MUST be love ;) She won't have clothes for that weather, so make sure to meet her at the airport with adequate clothing for the cold.

Good luck, man.

I love Alecjamer's quote "...and I mean VERY few married men are long-term "honestly" happy. (Unless they are mongering)."

I love my wife to death, and will never leave her from another woman. But dammit, I gotta hit some diffrent ass occaionally, hence the mongering.

Grettir, have FUN with the girl, BUY the girl, just don't MARRY the girl.

Hey Giblet, nice to see that you still are thinking about your lady, isnīt she in italy now?

Yeah the weather here is horrible at the moment, anyone coming here for a visit must be crazy and it wonīt be getting any better when my friend arrives.

Talking about marrige, this came just from one of her recent emails. "DA SUA ETERNA NAMORADA E FUTURA ESPOSA"

are you kidding me? she actually wrote that to you seriously? be careful buddy. on the other hand, ride it for what its worth, have fun and just watch your wallet. good luck and have fun, sounds like a good time.

No Iīm not kidding, I might be naive but I kinda liked it.

On the other hand, I would like some kids, my only problem is, I donīt want them to be raised in Rio. Rather here where they will have excellent free education and all the oppertunities I have had.

You're not being naive, you're being human. Unfortunately, that can get you hurt sometimes. Have fun with it, try not to take life too seriously, and, as a good friend used to say, "take it for what it's worth."

Iīm sorry to say Jaguar you will need to find a new blue print your relationship with MBL.

This doesnīt seem to be working out at all. She is back on the program, her cellphone is most of the time off.

Need advice here, is it childish of me for asking her to stop on the program this soon? I have offered her to send some money if needed and I told her that I would like her to stay with me for 3 months in december, she had already agreed upon 2 weeks. I also told her if she didnīt stop the program she could just forget about us, but I could help her with some money until we would reunite.

My big brain is starting to work, the smaller one is calming down abit, still I feel like shit. I still have feelings for the girl.

maybe if you told people who she is and where she works/worked we will know a lot about her and be able to help you out as i am sure at least several guys on here will know the girl if she worked at help or any terma for any amount of time. i can understand your reluctance to give that information away but it is hard to give very much advice short of knowing that. it is not too early to ask her to leave the program, it seems like she might not want to or something else is going on.

Well I just as well might spill the beans on who it is, I know for a fact that MANY of you guys know her.

Just let me know if she is working from the day of today.

It is Nicole the "ex newscort star".

Didn't she just start at CIAPlus?

http://www.ciaplus.com/nicole.htm

Yeps, well hopefully this was her last weekend of working there.

She already told me about ciaplus before she got added to the side..

Unfortunately I'm not one of the many:-(

But wish I had first hand carnal knowledge of her.

Best of luck in your future endeavors with her!

Hate to be insensitive here, but WOW those are some fucking fantastic teetays! .

I strongly discourage you from committing to this woman and gettingher to leave the programa until after I have cum to Rio.

Nicole (real name Sharlene) is a real sweetheart. You're not the first guy to fall for her, and you won't be the last. And unless you are willing to live in the Rio area, you have no chance at a lasting relationship with her. She is VERY close to her family, and would never leave the area (as you can probably tell, I've spent a good deal of time with her, and continue to chat with her regularly).

And she is working still... I hate to be hard-hearted about this, but the odds of your having a successful relationship with even the sweetest of GPs is about zero. Enjoy the memories.

Well I would like to know if she can keep her word, so any info is appreciated.. my wallet is not bottomless.

Who can say about any particular girl. My 2 cents is that it is ALWAYS a bad idea to be sending money to a working girl, whether she claims to have stopped working or not. I can't think of a single instance in which such an arrangement has ended well for the guy. Every year there are thousands of guys who fall in love with GPs all around the world, and who tell themselves that while these things generally don't work out, "it's different for me. She really loves me." And virtually all of those guys are wrong, and learn so the hard way. I have fucked many brasileiras who were married to foreigners. Those foreigners were sending off monthly checks to their wives, who were assuring their husbands that they were being good. Hell, I fucked one garota who was married to a CH member and pregnant at the time. She walked up to me outside Help and asked me if I wanted to session with her!

There are some questions you should probably ask yourself before you decide that what you have is a relationship that can stand the test of time and distance (i.e., before you start transferring money to her bank account):

1. Do you share a language (both fluent)?
2. Do you share interests (other than sex)?
3. Have you discussed issues such as religion, politics, family, values, etc?
4. Do you know one another's personal strengths and weaknesses, quirks, etc.?
5. Have you talked about money issues as a couple?
6. Can you agree on issues such as where to live, desired lifestyle, etc.?
...and so forth.

Additionally, many guys who try to develop relationships with GPs have trouble getting over their partner's "past." Will it eventually bother you that she's fucked more guys than you could possibly imagine? That hundreds if not thousands of guys think of her as the blow job queen? That those pretty lips have sucked a few miles worth of cock? Crude questions, sure, but lots of guys eventually get very hung up on these things. Will it bother you when ex-clients see her on the street and give her a kiss?

Unless you are completely fluent in Portuguese (I know she speaks almost no English), you have no basis for starting a relationship. A world class blow job from a sweet and sensuous women is a wonderful thing, but it is not the basis for a lasting relationship.

Good luck with your decision.

I spent 3 days with her last week and saw her yesterday for about 4 hours. Nicole is a very sweet person and and expert at what she does, I can see how you fell for her. She told me she was going to Iceland in January for 3 months. I wish you the best of luck, but I highly doubt it will work.

Ouch, honest, blunt and the truth clearly.

Iceland in January, OUCH OUCH OUCH. How long do thing THAT will last?

I'll add my 2 centavos, she IS a sweetheart, one of the nicest and most sensual that I've been with. But if you can't give good answers to Branquino's definitive questions and concerns, just enjoy it for what it is, and pay her by the hour like everyone else does (and will). Good luck, whatever you do.

Of course, I know your one "yes" vote may well outweigh everyone else's "no chance" vote.....

To be honest, yes I have spoken to her about some of these subjects. Not all of them thou. Some of the family issues are still unclear it seems.

"Iceland in January, OUCH OUCH OUCH. How long do thing THAT will last?"

Iceland is that cold in the reykjvik area during winter time, it hardly snows here anymore. NY is much colder during the same time.

Grettir, I can't wait to read your saga of "A Carioca GdP in Iceland for the winter"! Boa Sorte.

I've never been to your homeland, just flown over it on my way to Europe and back.

I would luv to meet some of your Icelandic babes. Maybe you can indulge the membership with some pointers:-)? Thanks

Jeez, it took Catocony a whole 35 minutes to 'out' your now 'off the program' girlfriend?

THAT is impressive.

And YEAH, she's got GREAT tits! I ain't young, blonde or blue eyed, but for HER I gots a couple hundred reals if she's not all busted up about her missing BF!

"Grettir, I can't wait to read your saga of "A Carioca GdP in Iceland for the winter"! Boa Sorte" Well she is not the first brasileira to visit me in Iceland, about 3 years ago my friend from recife came. We had a blast but were never serious about eachother, atleast I wasnīt for her. But she paid for the ticket herself, took her a year, not a bad deal, because the added bonus was that she lost afew pounds of fat, no extra junk food for her that year. Great girl but not a gdp thou. Iīm very serious about sharlene, I wonīt be bringing her to iceland for the kicks of it.

Icelandic girls are in general sluts, similar to the US ones, maybe a tad better thou. But this totally annoying equal right movement has been terrorizing iceland since I can remember myself.

(Message edited by grettir on October 20, 2005)

It's great how even Rio mongers have such different tastes. I would never pick her to session with, too pasty white and tits too big for me.

Grettir, I know a garota who's been married to a Swedish guy for a few years now. I don't know him but he's been very good to her and her family and she really appreciates it. However sometimes when she's drunk she can't help herself getting off with guys including myself. Subsequently she feels guilty about it. IMHO being a GDP and sought after can be like a drug to them and hard to give even with the best intentions. On the surface this is a successful GDP story but the reality is different. Would you like your wife getting banged up the ass when you're not in town?

grettir, man I must really be slow. I have been reading this thread since it started and it just dawned on me who you are. I know your name, but didnt recall your online name. THis is the girl that was really quiet at dinner right? She seems like a sweetheart. Hope everything works out for you. Looks like I will be down in Rio in July when Whitty and J are down, if not before. Hope to see you again in Rio. AZ

Hey Azguy, yeah that one is sharlene. She was just abit sad that night. Iīm returning to Rio 3 rd of december. Iīm not sure about July, but hopefully yeah.

"Would you like your wife getting banged up the ass when you're not in town? " I donīt think a relationship with a gdp is easy, so I would expect some misteps. But what goes around comes around.

Damn Grettir, you going to arrive on the 3rd? Shit! I was planning on arriving the 4th! That means Nicole will be out of commision my entire vacation.

Maybe not--isn't she still working? One way or the other ;-} ?

And that could provide an interesting diagnostic of Grettir's ability to handle reality, especially if you guys hang out together.

She is indeed still working.

Anyways she has made her choices.

Well it seems I will need to clarify some things, yes Iīm fully aware of that nicole is working. Iīm not sending her any money for support nor do I plan to. With that being said, I had intented to help her with money so she could quit working, however this was something she never asked for. I nagged her for over 6 weeks and she finally gave in and sent the bank info needed, but after a careful discussion with her and after she explained her situation I basically had three options, either send a very high $$ amount each month, accept her work or forget about this whole thing. She has not been dishonest to me so far. Nagging a garota in Rio to accept money might not been the brightest thing to do, I realize that but I never expected to fall in love with one of them, it hit me like a dagger in the back. I truly like this person, however her reality is very different from mine and its something that is very hard for me to accept but Iīm willing for now. Only time can tell how things will workout for both of us, but I will give it my best. Now, I can tell you one thing, I do worry about her on a daily basis, I have lost over 10 pounds of body mass since returning from Rio, not because I have been watching my diet ;). Posting her name was a last resort for me, it was the only way I could get certain information needed. Good or bad, it did not matter. Asking a person to change her life over night is hard, its hard for anyone, I had been with her for little over a week, then asked her to stop meeting clients that she had known for years, change her daily habits and push her to school. This is not something you can force upon people, they will have to make this decision themselfs. Now the current plan is for her to visit me for three months. Until that period is over, I will most likely not post any further personal info about us.

Sounds reasonable, and I really do wish you the best. She's very sweet. But she's a brasileira through and through, meaning that I expect that it's highly unlikely she'll be happy away from Brasil for the long haul, so that's another factor you'll have to weigh.

Grettir, I wish you guys the best of luck. But you must realise one thing. It doesnt matter at all what YOU want for her life, until SHE makes the choice to stop working, nothing you can do will change her. Trust me, Nicole doesnt want to give up "the life". She may stop for a while because she loves you, but she isnt ready to make the changes that you want.

Ive seen it a million times. Guys sending money like crazy trying to convince a gdp to stop working, it doesnt do the least bit of good. The moment you are a little short with the money or you turn your back, she will be off meeting clients. When she makes up her mind that she doesnt want to do this anymore, then and only then will you have a chance at a successfull relationship.

You can't take a fish out of the sea, Grettir. In Iceland you should know that. Sadly, no matter how delicious the tropical fruit, you can't grow them in Iceland. You have to visit them in the tropics. If I were you I'd find a nice girl who is not a prostitute. Just common sense. Or just enjoy the prostitutes and forget the nice girls.

Sure she's a sweetheart, but with tits like that she's going to have many offers per day. Those tits are so good that guys would pay $1000 a night to suck on them. In fact I've already marked her page and will try to fuck her when I'm in Rio. Hundreds of guys will. Tits like that are a blessing and a curse. Maybe when she's in her 30's she'd be ready to settle down, but by then she'd have fucked 1000 guys at least. Which is exactly the problem with dating whores. Don't fall in love, friend, only in lust. And enkoy what you can with her. Just keep things in perspective.

Goddessman, wow 2 whole posts and you are handing out relationship advise. you must be a smart mother fucker. You think Grettir should find a nice girl that is not a prostitute? just common sense? Hellooo… dumb ass, that is what we do here. We fuck prostitutes. Are you sure you are on the right site? I think you may have been looking for www.dumbass.com BTW did you have a point to your second post or were you just looking to rub shit in Grettir's face? AZ