Jeter was 0for 5
and a big reason the Yankees lost.
Jeter is the catylst.
Jeter is the Stud leader.
What he does determines the how well the Yankees do.
Maybe Arod can finally step up in a YANKEE post season game. That would be helpful.

Non girlie Jeter powers yet another Post Season HR and two rbis in a Yanks choke vs Angels tonight.

Bengie Molina's still eating his lunch.

I guess we now get to hear Max bitch for the next several years about how Randy Johnson sucks.

Porker
you really are smart. j/k

When you get paid the big bucks you have produce when called upon to do so.

Randy really fucked up tonight, no he does not suck but tonight he really sucked.

Just a thought: You TJ guys could warm up for the main event by attending the Padres game tonite.

Make sure you get a seat in the bleachers, and most importantly, BRING YOUR GLOVES. Matt Morris vs Woody Williams. It promises to be a gopher-ball funfest...

It's fucking retarded to judge ANYONE on short sample sizes, and I don't care how much money the guy makes or what team he plays for. In a short series anything can happen. Prominent example: Bengie Frickin' Molina can be the greatest player that ever lived and El Duque the 60 year-old Cuban can be the most valuable pitcher in beisbol for a few innings at a time. Ooh aah.

"It's fucking retarded to judge ANYONE on short sample sizes"

Whether YOU think it is retarded or not that is the way its done and Jim buck and Tim McCarver said it repeatly tonight especially when talking about Johnson who came back and atoned for his fuck up SATurday.

NON GIRLIE TOUGHEST OUT IN BASEBALL JETER gets 3 hits including taking a 95 mph fast ball deep for a clutch HR. Jeter gets on in the top of the 9th and what does "choke artist I can't perform for the Yankees AROD do?

Yep the fucking statistically unthinkable! He hits into a taylor made double play!!

THe only people who are retarded are the ones who think AROD is more clutch than JETER.

All that fucking money and MVP candidate and he fucking does zero to help the Yankees but does much to hurt them including a huge error (actually made two) and then hits into a back breaking double play.

I am pissed beyond belief.

The freakin Angels do not deserve that game.
They advance on a huge error , wussy hits and slow rolling grounders and two bad calls by the umps.

Had Bernie been in center Sheffield would of made that play easily and The Yankees would be playing in Chicago tommorrow.

Good thing I don't like the REd Sox and Ortiz otherwise I would root hard for Ortiz to take the MVP from Rodriguez who once again did not earn his keep or help the Yankees in the postseason but instead this time hurt them.

Yeah, fuck Arod and Big Ugly Randy J., run their overpaid asses out of town! You want clutch, bring back Aaron Boone and El Duque! Trade for Reggie Sanders and Chris Burke and Benjie Molina! Bat Jeter cleanup!

And maybe all of those things will make up for the fact that Mussina (and Gordon) sucked ass and he was backed up by a bunch of clowns, losers and never-wases in the rotation and bullpen.

ANYTHING can happen in a short series, especially when you've got a crappy rotation and your ace only goes ONCE because the team waited until a day left in the season to clinch. Pissing and moaning about it and blaming THE BEST PLAYER IN BASEBALL and one of the greatest pitchers of all-time is, to coin a phrase, fucking retarded.

Max, I'm sure you once had insane man-love for Don "THE MOST OVER-RATED PLAYER OF THE '80's" Mattingly. Please compare all those great years in the Mattingly era to the relative frustration you THINK you're feeling now.

Hey Max, remember them Pettite and Clemens and El Duque and Contreras guys? Seems like they're still pitching and your pinstriped bozos are headed home crying. Boo-frigg'n-hoo. Think they shoulda kept those jokers? Think the dumbfuck that let them leave in favor of Jaret Wright and Carl Pavano may be more responsible for the Yankees' failures than the guy that will be THE youngest player ever in history to 500 HR's next year? Gee, Mr. Spicoli, I don't know...

What did Gordon do wrong?

I did not want to let those guys go,
was pissed when they left and NEVER WAS A PROPONENT of getting Wright and Pavano

BTW PETITE WAS A TRAITOR to the Yankees and Clemens retired until Petite talked him back in.

What Yankee fan actually likes things Steinbrenner does?

Sorry AROD IS NOT HE BEST PLAYER IN BASEBALL

The BEST player in baseball would not
CONSISTENTLY CHOKE IN THE PLAYOFFS NOR MAKE A GAME LOSING ERROR NOR GROUND INTO A NEAR GAME ENDING AND SEASON ENDING DP when his team needs him to come through such as Jeter and Giambi did.

You can't be the best when you don't produce as the best.

PS. Don Mattingly was one of my favorite Yankees of all time.




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AROD......can you say 2 for 16....

I guess he will be back to working out while all the other guys in the league are taking their kids to school in the morning.

Of course the Angels and the White Sox will still be playing while he is working out in the morning.

Maybe those late nights out gambling and playing poker in the club a couple of weeks ago caught up with him.

Anytime the Yankees and their bought players and championships lose is a great day in sports in America!

NOW THAT's WORTH REPEATING...

"Hey Max, remember them Pettite and Clemens and El Duque and Contreras guys? Seems like they're still pitching and your pinstriped bozos are headed home crying. Boo-frigg'n-hoo. Think they shoulda kept those jokers? Think the dumbfuck that let them leave in favor of Jaret Wright and Carl Pavano may be more responsible for the Yankees' failures than the guy that will be THE youngest player ever in history to 500 HR's next year? Gee, Mr. Spicoli, I don't know..."



I owe you a round for that worthy post. Keep the dogs at bay.

I would argue that Albert Pujols is the best player in baseball and regardless of how you want to paint it, ARod does not have the fortitude it takes to play at a high level when the stress level is at its peak. It is one thing to use your TALENT to hit 3 Run bombs and spray the ball all over the field during the regular season BUT to do it when the spotlight is on the player tests the heart and focus of individuals. Arod has consistently performed poorly during the post season, especially with runners in scoring position. For years, Bonds was known for the same lack of productivity during the post season but redeemed himself a bit by carrying the Giants on his back and having one of the best post-seasons ever while taking the Giants to the World Series and nearly beating the Angels. But if Arod cannot redeem himself and play well in the future then all of his accolades wont mean shit because he couldnt get it done during the playoffs. If he were to play well and his team poorly, then you would have an argument but he is an integral part of the team and the team followed in line.

One more thing, post season prowess isnt relegated solely to Brian Doyle and Tito Landrum. Mickey Mantle, Reggie Jackson, Curt Schilling, Mariano Rivera, Mike Schmidt, Pete Rose, Willie Stargell, etc...they are all badass but ALSO got it done when it counted..thats the difference.

Ya blazers, stats in the post season like :

ARODs combined post season stats throughout career:

.330 .395 .583 (avg, obp, slg)


are just freaken hideous eh?

HEy Don Marco

Please post AROD's pathetic Post season stats as a Yankee for comparison.

Those are his stats prior to this series and dont reflect the most important statistic of all, batting average with men in scoring position.

I can't and shall not debate with the ingnorant. So what is Arod's average with men in scoring position over his lifetime?

The world is flat u know....

I've got some elixir that will drive girls nuts...

There is a far far away land full of brown fuck bunnies....


The yankees were a AAA team at best without Arod's bat this year.

There are 30 major league baseball teams. No matter how much payroll you carry the odds are against any one team winning it all. The Yankees have 26 world championships, the most successful franchise in sports.

Eight years in a row they have won their division, this year despite having a rotation ravaged by injuries. Hell, they had to find replacements for the replacements. No one was more disappointed than I that they didn't make it further into the playoffs but they'll regroup and be right there again next year.

To call them a AAA team is retarded.

Andruw Jones, being talked about as an MVP candidate, for fuck's sake, hit a whopping .207 with RISP this year. 7 inches over the freakin' MENDOZA LINE. MVP my ASS.

You could argue for Pujols as the best hitter in beisbol, but a medicore 1B vs. a GOOD 3B (and fantastic SS if Mr. Crybaby would be a WINNER and realize he was 2nd best at the spot and needed to be the one to move) tips the odds waaaaay in Arod's favor. Arod also steals bases, though Pujols the moose took a few this year himself.

Yankee Stadium is also generally a much tougher place to hit than Busch, and certainly for a RH power hitter. But not for Arod, who dominated even more than usual there this year, hitting over .350, something pretty damned amazing, seeing no RH hitter since Joe Dimaggio has had an average that high for the Yankees.

Of course Jeter hit .354 there himself this year, an awesome accomplishment too.

Arod's stats are simply freakish, and he puts them up every frickin' year. He's almost a LOCK for 3,500 hits and 700 HR's, 80% of the current totals put up as a SHORTSTOP. He also makes Cal Ripken look like a little girl. Cal Ripken was a man among boys as a SS little over a decade ago. Can anyone really imagine comparing Arod to somebody like Phil Rizzutto?

And Max, please, we're waiting: Give us a recap of all those Don Mattingly post-season highlights.

Calling them a AAA team is a bit extreme, they still had Jeter, Sheffield, a rejuvenated Juice Boy (maybe he hooked up with Lance Armstrong after the divorce from BALCO?) and God-zirra. Of course if Arod wasn't there they might be playing Aaron Boone or Drew Henson at 3B, and that would indeed meant at least a sub-.500 season in the Bronx as their parade of losers on the mound and half the lineup were pretty damned bad. SHOCKINGLY bad when you consider the overall payroll for the team. A $200 million dollar team that gave Tony Womack 329 AB's and started Bubba Stinkin' Crosby in playoff games?

DE,

"To call them a AAA team is retarded."

I think you missed the point... It is not meant literally, but figuratively and is about as credible as folks calling AROD anything but the greatest in the game.

I just believe in discussing things rationally, AROD may be the best but a credible argument could be made for Pujols. The Yankees, though underachievers this year, are still one of the best teams in baseball and nowhere close to a AAA team.

Agreed.

Pujols just made Brad Lidge look like Donnie Moore.

What in the HELL were they thinking pitching to Pujols with 2 on, 2 out and a 2-run lead? Stunning.

That was a monster fucking homerun. That ball went a long ways real fast.

We were watching it here as well. Of all the people to throw a can of corn to....Man that ball got crushed!

Oh, sorry, here in Thailand!

I grew up in St. Louis, and the Pujols homer was sweet to watch! Still a hole for the Cardinals to climb out of, but they have a chance to do it.

If the Cards win this series, they beat the Sox. If the Cards lose, the Sox beat the Astros.

The same Yankee fans here in NY who were chanting "MVP" are all over A-Rod's ass now as being a non-clutch ballplayer. He certainly has stats second to none but his clutchness leaves a lot to be desired. With his team's season on the line, A-Rod hit into a double play.

With the Cardinals season on the line, Pujols hit a 3-run homer that almost was as dramatic as Bobby Thompson's legendary blast. Who's the first player you would pick if you were starting a team? The Fox broadcasters said "no doubt it would be Pujols".

A-Rod may be the best regular season player in baseball but he has a lot to prove in the post-season. And until he does, he'll only be one of the greats, not one of the Greats.

I can't say I'm not happy about another Yankee season of failure (by their own fans definition of failure), another season of embarrassment despite their huge financial advantage over every other team.

Yankee fans for the most part are so loud, arrogant, and obnoxious that another year of quiet (five years in a row now) is music to my ears. They seem to think that they're entitled to win. Do a search of the NY Times recent sports articles. There was a scathing story written by one of their reporters concerning the Neanderthal quality of Yankee fans.

People around here are actually talking about a Curse, with such adjectives as Bambino-Reversed, A-Rod, and Shea. Take your pick.

A trying to be objective kind of guy,

Ootie (Out-of-Towner)

New York sports fans in general are a myopic bunch of blowhards that get excited over the most ridiculous shit. Talk of an "Arod curse" amuses me. Could it possibly be any worse than the CURSE OF DON MATTINGLY?

And would you and the Fox morons be saying the same thing about Pujols if ANYONE in the Houston dugout had the sense to just hand him a walk with their first ever World Series appearance 1 out away? I mean Albert Belle was a pretty good hitter in his prime too, and so's Manny Ramirez, but just because you're a moose that can smack the ball doesn't mean you're the best player in the game.

"With his team's season on the line, A-Rod hit into a double play."

Any ARod fans care to give me an example of other legendary greats who have done this?

...

Yep, I did not think so.

A player isn't the greatest in the game until he can consistenly come through in the big game POST SEASON games.

Max, name me just ONCE when DON MATTINGLY'S season was EVER 'on the line'?

There is a silver lining to tonite's season ending loss for the Cardinals, at least for me anyway--no more Tony LaRussa post-game press conferences. YIPEEEEEEE...

Imagine the kind of numbers Pujols would put up if he followed the McGwire/Sosa/Bond's training regime of the late 90s and early 2000s?

The television commercial with Alex Rodriguez and Vladimir Guerrero hitting baseballs breaking street lights and one baseball hitting the moon were very laughable as in the real world they were both striking out and grounding into double plays!!!

Great players are those who come up big, not only in the regular season, but also in the big games. Only a bonehead would not grasp this simple concept.

Porker, reread my post. I never said I was a Pujols fan. I'm just presenting facts and trying to be objective. The only things that you can ascribe to me from my post is that great players are clutch during both seasons (regular and post) and that I'm not a Yankee fan.

Good mention about the Mattingly Curse. I forgot about that one.

A Good to hear from Porker again kind of guy,

Ootie

Congratulations to ya'll up there in Chicago. Houston played high and tight and hung in every game, but clearly when crunch time came, the Sox performed brilliantly and the Astros did not.

Congratulations White Sox, you earned it.

Houston had abysmal hitting, especially with men on base. They reminded me a bit of those Atlanta Braves teams that had the great pitching, but when crunch time came, no hitting.

The Astros were haunted by the ghost of Joe Jackson AND the ghost of Morgan Ensberg's bat. (sound effect: mournful wail) OHHHHHHHHHHHHHH...

The National League/Astros once again did not show up.
What a boring friggin World Series.

Bases Loaded two nights and no runs is why they are not Champions. Champions come through in those spots.

Astros and Ensberg looked as bad as ChokeROD.


BTW how the Hell does supposedly one of the best pitchers blow a solid five run lead?

THe White Sox showed consistently all year they were the best even though the Yankees are REALLY THE BEST.

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As Cardinals announcer Mike Shannon would so eloquently say "see ya next year folks..."

"Arod Wins Second MVP in three years"

http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news;_ylt=AjIKtwKhZuMAuVUJ5Isc3VIRvLYF?slug=ap-almvp&prov=ap&type=lgns

YEs congrats to a guy who was so extremely valuable in the Yankees World Series Win.

What? You say the Yankees did not make it in?

Oh Yeah, MVP ChokeRod was like 2 for 20 and ended the Yankees hopes hitting into a 9th inning weak ass taylor made double play.

Yep he is really valuable when it counts.

Perhaps he should stay out of illegal poker halls and instead concentrate more on not choking again and again in the postseason.

max-- 3 letters for u; MVP.

those met's are sure making the Yanks look boring this off season.

Much ado about nuthin'. Delgado's a tremendous improvement over the DOGSHIT they had at 1B this past year, but his various injury problems ain't gonna get any better as he ages, and he goes to an even WORSE park and offensive context than FLA. And it's just plain weird that they trade a GOOD outfielder for Nady, presumably to play 1B, then go sign Delgado. They're cutting payroll only to add payroll, then they'll do something dumb like dump serviceable guys like Floyd and Benson to pay for guys like Delgado and Wagner. Flotsam in and Jetsam out.

Wagner's also very injury prone and the next one's probably gonna be of the out for the year variety, which will put them back at square one when looking for a closer.

The Jankees making ONE move to sign a killer 8th inning RP will instantly trump any higher-profile moves the Mets have made this year. One Pedro injury and the Mets will be as bad as they were in the Bonilla days unless David Wright is ready to put up AROD numbers.

I think the Delagator will bounce back and have a solid year. Yes, the aging pitching staff is a point for major concern, but then again, they eeked out a solid year from Pedro last year and he looked better than I've seen in quite some time. Perhaps luck with be on their side once again.

I think Wright will come back down to earth this year... No one puts up AROD #s cept AROD.

No one puts up AROD #s cept AROD

I think I would take Luis Pujols maybe even Derek Lee over A Rod at this stage in their careers. Both are better defensive players - esp Lee - and I think will outhit A Rod who will not recover from his post season Tank job - IMHO.

Luis Pujols had a career BA of .199??? I lived in Houston during much of his career and remember him well. He was no A-Rod, although his career average was still probably higher than A-Rod's postseason average this year...