Pork-- I'll take brady in a heart beat over any QB in the NFL cept perhaps Manning, and not eli.

Rex has more experience (and same pension stats) as Tony Romo (the guy that's gonna eat his lunch in the playoffs).

Not on his bandwagon , but I don't think he ever got his lunch bag open.

No he doesn't play defense but for the last 5 weeks he didn't play much offense except for the opponent - setting up the short field ala Rex.

Thus my point that 99% of young QBs have a roller coaster existence. Peyton Manning's first few years were hardly stellar . Tom Brady was one of the very rare dudes who step in like a vet and never look back.

km-- I've been behind rex from the start. As you said, he's a young kid learning and has his ups and downs and I always thought folks should get off his back. Brady and Roethlesburger stepped into good situations where they were also put on teams w/ solid Ds and ball control offenses. When brady was pushed (when they fell behind in his early years), he usually tossed the ball where he shouldn't off... Reading defenses is a learned skill that takes time. Chicago is quite capable or going all the way. If I was a coach, the only team I fear is the colts, but then again they have a habit of turning into cupcups at the wrong time. The rest of the games can go either way.

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About Romo, Porker is right, he nearly turned that into a first down or a touchdown. My question is the instant replay. They ruled earlier that the ball should be on the one and a half line??? Who is the genius that looks and decides where that is...sure you can eyeball it...but how frickin' technical can reviews be on the spot of the ball...I would rather they said something like move the ball three inches back that what they said..Maybe it is just me...

I also thought it was pretty difficult on that play to over rule the call as it is suppose to be conclusive evidence???

For the record, I am not a Cowboy fan and had no money on that game.

Well Porker, guess I've been blazin' too much. Indy wins despite Manning and Pats win because of Brady. I didn't want to give my Charger buddies too much shit after the game....all I said was, "Now you know how it feels to have your heart ripped out at home by the best QB of our generation" As a Steeler fan, I know all too well how that feels. Definately wont be the last time Brady does it either. Seems like being the number one seed is a curse these days in the AFC.

Yeah that 4th quarter pick to seal the loss (3rd of the game) was a thing of beauty... Getting the Scooby Doo "do over" sure did help, didn't it? Your boy owes Trow Brown a blow job for stripping that ball.

BTW, FooledAGAIN, just got back from the BANK

WOW what a shocker... brady pulls it out and marty's team stumbles in the playoffs. Who woulda guessed (i'm being rhetorical here)? Thank you chargers for all the bonehead penalties.

bonehead penalties...bonehead turnovers, bonehead dropped passes, and the most bonehead challenge to an official's call you'll ever see. Marty better dust off his resume.

I cannot give that game to Brady. He was pressed the entire first half, and could only move the ball when they played Prevent at the end of the half. Then the Chargers fumbled after intercepting him(on a ball they should have knocked down). Brady pretty ineffective today, and with all the dropped passes and turnovers they had, New England would have won by 30 if he had a good game.

The call on the 2 point coversion was great though.

Sampson, first of all-- the chargers should of won that game by 30, not the pats. Certainly not one of Brady's finest games overall, but the test of a QB is coming through WHEN it counts AND the OUTCOME. Like it or not, that's how QBs are judged throughout history.

The chargers played some damn good D all game and put a LOT of pressure on Brady all day against a very good O line. I think that also had something to do with the performance. Brady is not Manning in terms of stats and never has been. He is a QB who finds a way to win and WINS-- there is nothing more lofty than that my friend.

I will agree, the chargers gave that game away-- and the patriots as always did what they had to do to take what is given.

Brady's 12-1 in the playoffs, which is one hell of a number.

The games next week should both be good. I want the Colts to win but for whatever reason I think the Pats are going to the Super Bowl once again. In the other game, I think the Saints will take it.

I think the Charger's should have won handly as well, but since New England was the benefit of so many turnovers and errors, the Pats should have won the game by 20. The Defense, LT and Rivers kept them in the game. Two of New Englands scores should not be credited to Brady as:

At then end of the half the Chargers went to prevent...I guess shutting him down and only giving up 3 points was so difficult to fathom that they had to do something different.

The other was after the Chargers stopped him, but a db used poor judgement intercepting a pass that should have just been knocked down.

Cat, I'm praying for a NE vs. chicago matchup.

If NE doesn't pull thru vs the colts, then I'm routing for manning and dungy. To bad edgerin is not there tho-- he was the perfect fit for their offense.

DM,

I think the Saints are the better team, Chicago is very up and down and Rex Grossman really does suck. I think the Saints-Colts would be an awesome matchup and hope to see it.

New England has it's three Super Bowls and with the Bosox winning the series, it's time for Boston to go back into a championship deep freeze for the next 20 years or so. Maybe the Celtics or Bruins will stop sucking ass during that time and win a title or something.

the saints are a better team-- that's why I want a pats/bears matchup

I don't think grossman is bad-- just erratic. Your right on bout the celts and bruins, so let me have football champs at least!

Hey DM What does Chi Town have going for it right now ?? If it's about lack of championships I think the Windy City is way overdue compared to Beantown. I'll take the Bears beating the Pats in Miami. I'll even wake up early in AC to watch the game !! Or more likely not sleep in the first place.

(The White Sox don't count because no one from Chicago really cares about them.)

Tom Brady best QB in the NFL? Blazers been blazing too much.

Well for all those whining/wishing for a non-brady SB-- you got it! I was asleep for most of the game... The bears couldn't beat a 98 year old hooker off the line... Rex, perhaps they are all right... Peyton, enyoy it-- tis don't come any more candy coated.

Worst superbowl I can recall in some time. The commercials sucked big time as well.

Credit the Colts defense for getting them to the dance and for winning the SB. They played possessed. They also played the worst team ever to go to the SB. Can you imagine Tom Brady with TWO PRO BOWL RECEIVERS, it wouldnt even be fair and the NFL would make a rule against it as Manning would never see a SB again for his career.

Porker continues to confuse Fantasy points with reality.

What comes first, the Pro Bowl QB or the Pro Bowl WR's? I suppose Duper and Clayton MADE Dan Marino?

Of course Brady wouldn't know, as he wasn't invited to the Pro Bowl. How does that happen, the best QB in the history of the game can't even make the conference all-star team? SAY IT AIN'T SO?

Porker-- the answer to your question should be obvious, assuming you know anything bout sports (I believe you do). What makes an all-pro is individual #s, what makes one of the all time greats is their propensity to win games.

As for WRs, if you think Marino or Peyton would toss up 1/2 the numbers they did with the pathetic Partiots WR's, your smoking crack. What happened to marino once he lost his group of WRs? That my friend was obvious-- look at the stats.

Blazers, tough to credit the colts D, when the bears were so pathetic under no duress. Right from the start chicago sucked on both lines and were getting blown out. Not sure if that's due to too much booze/fucking or the colts played to a level that's beyond them. I tend to think it's the former.

The Colts defense was good the whole playoff series. I think it is not a stretch to credit the defense here...Manning is an outstanding QB, and even won a MVP without having a great day.

The Bears O-line played terrible. Although, throwing the ball on 2nd and 1 when it finally looked like they were getting a rhythm, was a giant blunder. As bad as the Bears looked at points, they were still one big play away. Would have been nice to see what the defense could do with Brown and Harris but oh, well.

Still a long time to go before we start comparing Brady and Peyton, for a lot of years every one said Elway couldn’t win the big one.

If it wasn't for the rain and sloppy field, plus Indy not bothering to score on their last drive when they gave the Colts the ball on the 15 yard line (interesting to see what would have happened if the Bears and gotten a touchdown on the next play, kick on-sides and got the ball back then got another touchdown) the score would have been 37-17 or even worse. Throw out the kickoff return for a touchdown and the one long play Chicago had from scrimmage and you end with a score befitting the quality of the teams - 37-3 or maybe 37-6.

samp-- i certainly won't argue that manning is a great qb, I've always thought he is one of the all time greats and enjoy watching him.

As for the Colts D in the playoffs, what good offense did they face? The pats put up plenty of points off them and calling the pats a good offense if something I wouldn't even say. Average/workmanlike offense. The ravens and bears offense-- come on.

I cannot remember all the details in the Patriot game, but didn't mistakes give the Patriots the big lead, and combined with defense and Manning coming alive, the Colts win? Although Baltimore and KC are not great offenses, they did make the playoffs, and the D did stop them...Balty in Baltimore too!!! I am not trying to compare their defesnse with other Super Bowl great D's, but they did step up and do the job in this Super Bowl run.

Manning had shitty games the first two games in the playoffs, the defense carried them through. Had the defense been crappy against the run as earlier in the season, Larry Johnson would have run rough shot in the first game and Indy would have been one and done.

Samp, yes-- they played well enough to win. The jist of my comment was that the talent overall in the NFL has seemed to wane quite a bit and sloppy play is the norm. IMHO the chargers were by far the best team in the playoffs, followed by what I termed the "inconsistent" Saints. The Pats should of won, but didn't.... but then again roster wise, they have no business being there either. I'm happy for peyton and dungy-- they had one coming for a few years now and the colts were smart enough to add players rather than shed key folks (ala the patriots). The bears, well like the rest of the NFC we see how they really stack up.

I am estatic that Manning finally received his much deserved Super Bowl Victory

My problem is Mr Clutch AV who has hurt me as an opponent in the past killed me be being on my team this time by missing a easy end of half chip shot field goal.

I had Colts -4 first half

The field goal also hurt me on the Colts -6 1/2, over 47 for the game parlay I had. I can't believe the Colts did not take the end of game 4th down field goal and make it a more than two score game. Why go for it on fourth down?

All I know is Choke Vinateri costs me a swing of $760 opportunity dollars.

Morons gamble. Blaming others for their weakness is doubly idiotic.

Max, that unattempted field goal at the end would still only have made it a 2 score(15pts) game. They made the less risky and correct choice by running it on 4th.

Running a play and giving the Bears 85 yards to go with no timeouts and needing two scores was the right thing to do. They are not playing to cover totals or pointspreads, but make the best decisions on what to do to WIN THE GAME.

Looks like Tom Brady got one past the goalie. Too bad the girl he just dumped, super-hot Bridgett Moynihan, is pregnant with his kid. Not sure how Gisele Bundchen will take that news.

We all know how jealous brasileras can be, and even though Gisele looks like she's still 100% German she probably has a little ciumes embedded into her brain by growing up in Brasil. I think that would be a cool catfight to see, her and Bridgett going at it.

Porker

People who routinely call others names, ridicule others, and act like they are such experts or know it alls are really quite insecure and the weakest of all people

Have a nice day

And what of those who routinely blame pro athletes, coaches and referees for their pissing their money away? Please explain to me where the intelligence is there?

Randy Moss to the Patriots for a used jock strap, and will be paid dick-all compared to what Owens makes.

Ya a 4th round pick is well worth the risk even if he's too much heartburn-- great deal for us (pats).

However, my largest area of heartburn was the core of the D and they were short a 1 and 2 spot receiver (they had plenty of 3 and 4 spot guys).

D has laregely went unaided, and the O got a huge boost methinks. Different, but interesting. Personally, I would of prefered to add 1 prime receiver and focus entirely on the D.

Adalius Thomas was easily the biggest free agent defensive player addition in the whole league. Pats could obviously still use some depth in the defensive backfield, but they with Thomas and Stallworth and now Moss, they look to have really improved from last year. I think the problem of bugeyed losers dropping easy TD passes in the 4th quarter of the conference championship game (the TRUE Super Bowl these days!) are over!

Tarik Glenn retired, so maybe Manning gets his uniform dirty every 3rd or 4th road game now? Maybe the Colts only start the season 10-2 this year?

pork, ole bug eyes was shown the door yesterday... About 1 year late.

The pats will rip some new asses this year, although it will prb take a few games to get things rolling. Losing Harrison looms large.

What a fantastic matchup to start the year.

Colts vs. Saints... wonderful. enjoy!

What matchup ?? Only one team showed up. Nawhluns was running on emotion last year and overachieved . Drew Brees looked far worse than Rex Grossman in this one. He sucked against the Bears in the Championship game and repeated his performance. San Diego knew what they were doing.

Now Da Bears vs Chargers Sunday ??-- velly interesting. It all depend on which Rex shows up.

Hey, if there are any other Pats fans out there like me, what do you think about Seymour being out for the first 6 weeks? I am worried about it. I think that their front seven is what has helped them limp along in the secondary for the last couple of years. I know Seymour has missed time before, and Jarvis is a good substitute, but it worries me a bit. Any thoughts?

LM

KM, NO stunk it up-- and it STUNK!

LM, it will be a dinged D, but I'm not too worried about it. No one in the division has anywhere near their talent. They may drop one or two the first half, but that will matter not. They will be battling either SD or Indy in the championship game. They need to play a smart year and win enough while keeping people healthy/healing.

What a vivid picture was painted contrasting the look of a champion v. the look of a pretender to the throne. The NFC is so weak that a team like N.O. is being picked by many to go to Supe and even win it. But reality was exposed last night.

Reggie Bush is not the force he should be and Drew Brees is average at best having been surrounded by great offensive talent during his good years in the NFL.

The Big 3 in the AFC (NE - they are a "system" and are never brought very far down when they lose what seems like key personnel; SD - Norv can't make them bad; and Indy - you saw for yourself) are at this point in another league from anything in the NFC and probably AFC Nos. 4-7 could beat the best of the NFC.

As a NY Jet fan I am not particularly happy about the balance of power in the NFL.

I saw a stat this week that over the last 3 seasons, the 8 AFC playoff teams each year have been something like 62-10 in games against the NFC. Doesn't look like that will be changing anytime soon.

It is a sad day when the supposed all mighty Patriots have TO CHEAT TO WIN against a weaker team. Belicheater is classless and I have zero respect for him. Winners don't have to CHEAT EVER. I will root even harder against the Patriots now. May they get their just due.

who said they "had to cheat" to win? Who said, the information was passed to to the field during play? Who said every team doesn't try to read signs? max, you owe us better than a knee jerk.
Regardless, my pats will wear a ring at the end of the year-- and that's all I care about. The rest of the league can kiss our cheating asses.