Talk about scandals! Boston Globe article on Obama's crooked dealing in housing in Chicago. The Boston Globe is owned by the NY Times a liberal newspaper.

http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2008/06/27/grim_proving_ground_for_obamas_housing_policy/

William Ayers-Barrack Obama....what is the connection. An American terrorist....why would he have a friendship and be a guest in his home. Do you really want a President who visits the home of a self-admitted terrorist.

Wasn't Dan Quayle once VP?

When a VP pick is an almost complete unknown, its interesting to see what the people who know her well say. The Republican Speaker of the Alaska House of Delegates said Palin was not even qualified to be governor of Alaska, much less VP. Pretty damning coming from a leader of her own party in her own state.

What was Dan Quayle qualified to do besides hit a golf ball?

Spelling Bee coach ??

Beachman
You're grasping at straws now. You can see the handwriting on the wall. McLame has shot himself in the foot with this magnificent error in judgement. Even the supreme court can't help him now.

See what a fellow resident of Wasilla says about Ms Palin:

http://www.andrys.com/palin-kilkenny.html

I'm bit confused by Porker's post asking about Dan Quayle's qualifications. Does the fact he was not qualified somehow make Palin qualified (even though she is even less qualified than he). Does that mean if Palin becomes Vice President it will open up the door to even less qualified Vice Presidents in the future, perhaps my next door neighbor's dog?

In any event, had George H.W. Bush died in office (as John McCain may well), I doubt anyone would be using Dan Quayle as an example of why we shouldn't be worried about picking unqualified Vice Presidential candidates.

How about at least some standards when it comes to picking President and Vice President?

(Message edited by LAguy on September 03, 2008)

I am not quite sure how this will affect my political leanings but I think it is important for everyone to know I have recently abandoned my Islamic faith, briefly dabbled with Buddhism, then abandoned all religion and become a godless Communist but currently I am toying with converting to Catholicism. I am very confused now, and don't know who to vote for any more.

I am Sancho: In light of your existential confusion, perhaps you should consider not voting.

IAS I would definitely recommend waiting until your next life before voting.

Maybe this will help:

http://www.barelypolitical.com/bp-music-videos/episode/MUS_20080815

Can anyone name 3 much less 1 specific major accomplishments that Obama has achieved as a government employee (community organizer, state senator, U.S. Senator? ( A U.S. Senator for 170 days before spending all his time running for President. He only ran for the Senate for a platform to to run for President. So his real experience is only as a community organizer and a state senator.

Did you see where Obama was putting down Palin saying he has more experience being the executive running his campaign with 2,500 employees and millions of dollars than Palin had being a mayor few dozen employees. Oh....he forgot to mention she is governor with 24,000 employees and a 10 billion dollar plus budget. Oh yeah she cut government spending in Alaska too!

Can anyone name specific major accomplishment Obama has achieve and a government employee?

Here is what a typical Obama supporter know about Obama!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jj4VK9wVAi0

Now...here is Chris Matthews after drinking the Kool Aid!

http://newsbusters.org/blogs/brad-wilmouth/2008/02/13/matthews-obama-speech-caused-thrill-going-my-leg

Okay Beachman, here you go. Three things that Obama did. Let's stack them up against Palin. FWIW, I'm ONLY focusing on experience here, as the "successes" claimed by most politicians are generally team efforts and are, quite rarely, the result of their work alone.

First, Obama was elected three times as a state senator from the fifth largest (pop. 12,852,548) state in the union - Illinois. This certainly doesn't not qualify him to be president.

Palin's comparable experience was to be elected to two terms on the city council and two terms as mayor of Wasillia, Alaska (pop. 8,471). This certainly doesn't qualify her to be vice-president.

I give the advantage to Obama due to the size and complexity of the constituency he had to serve.

Second, Obama was elected to the U.S. Senate. Again, being elected alone does not qualify him to be president. However, it does give him a LITTLE bit of experience with national-level politics. As we all know, experience doesn't ensure success (or else Lyndon Johnson would be considered one of our greatest presidents) in the same vein that a lack of experience does not ensure failure (use Abraham Lincoln as your example here.)

Palin's comparable experience would be her appointment to the Alaska Oil and Gas Conservation Commission. Although she did apparently did try to fight corruption while on the committee, she also resigned rather than push through any changes. It would appear that her real contribution came AFTER her resignation when she brought charges against various state officials for corruption which actually stuck.

This is a difficult one for me to call. I'm tempting to push. But when I look at the variety of issues that a U.S. Senator must deal with as opposed to the issues involved in a state-level commission I will give the SLIGHTEST of edges to Obama in spite of his rather short tenure although I am impressed with Palin's willingness to fight the system if only as an outsider.

Third, Obama defeated what most experts believed to be the un-defeatable - the Clinton campaign juggernaut. Again, this does not qualify him to be president. However, it does show that he had the wherewithal to hire, coordinate and manage a team that ran a successful campaign - in all 50 states - which accomplished what I thought was unimaginable during my lifetime - getting a black man to be nominated as a major party candidate for President.

Palin's comparable experience was to be elected governor of the 48th largest state (population-wise) in the union, Alaska. Certainly, I applaud any woman who is able to be elected as an executive and her role as governor gives her at least SOME experience as an executive. But when you consider that she serves a constituency of about 685,000 people in a state that actually has a budget SURPLUS, I am not sure how valuable that experience will be on a national level.

I give the nod here to Obama.

Some people might think that it is unfair to compare Obama, a presidential nominee, to Palin, a vice-president nominee. However, when you talk about experience this is the comparison that will be made as the experience of McCain and Biden virtually cancel each other out. And please note that I made NO mention of the alleged associations and/or political high handedness of which both of these people have been accused. It is safe to say that any politician of any ilk has made mistakes and had errors in judgment. We should not be looking at their mistakes, but how they responded to them. In this, I think the jury is still out on both.

Beachman obviously does not like Obama. And, according to the most recent poll that I saw, 42% of Americans agree with him. However, to claim that any national- or state-level politician has accomplished nothing is as ludicrous as it is laughable. They may not have accomplished what you would have liked for them to, but simply being elected to high-level positions and maintaining is often accomplishment enough.

EA

As Dan Quayle would spell it, Obama went to an I V leege skool.

So voat 4 himm!

Re: governors and bass-ackward states, Phil Hartman's legendary skit about WJC being the "education president" said it ALL:

"As governor of Arkansas, we were ranked 50th in the nation in literacy. I'm proud to say that while I was governor, we moved up to 49th! We passed Alabama, and LOOK OUT MISSISSPPI, WE'RE COMING AFTER YA!!!"

I predict that IF Palin stays on the ticket, the Republicans will carry Alaska.

LOOK OUT OBAMA!

Bitch REALLY ought to shut up about confronting oil companies and talk more about religion?

I SWEAR I've seen 'Sin'dy McCain in MILF porn on the web?

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080904/ap_on_el_pr/cvn_palin_iraq_war

God wants us to vote Elephant and strike down the infidels...

I have decided to vote for McCain mainly because Pailin's daughter is a slut and will probably be working in a whore house somewhere as soon as she hits 18 and since these are family values I strongly support, I feel obligated to vote McCain.

Plus I have now fully converted to Catholicism since last night so I would have to support Pailin's anti-condom stance.

I guess this is the Vice President we all need.

Republican VP candidates with three possible exceptions since 1952 (George Bush, Sr.; Henry Cabot Lodge (good name and lineage anyway) and OK, I'll give you Jack Kemp too) seem always calculated to make their Presidential candidate unimpeachable when they win the national election. What an amazing array of evil geniuses, non-notable nobodies, flim-flam failures, and just plain dunces. If you believe in the February Surprise conspiracy theory (i.e. former chief spook Bush, Sr. with the assistance of intelligence and/or military elements secretly negotiated with Ayatollah Khomeini to hold the U.S. hostages in Iran through the Carter/Ronny Raygun campaign and if RR were to win, release them right after inauguration in return for certain considerations) - well if you believe this (I do based on evidence I certainly have no memory of), then Bush the semi-coherent joins the evil genius list or maybe the list of outright traitors to the nation having countered Carter's foreign policy prior to the election.

So here's the rest of the motley crew who more then set a low bar precedent for Madame Governor's selection: Richard Nixon (Eisenhower), William (come again?) Miller (AuH2O), Spiro ("no contest") Agnew (Nixon), R-R-R-Rocky (Gerald Ford), Dan Quail....dudes, let me say it one more time, DAN QUAIL!!! (Bush - the semi-coherent one), and the winner is....Dick Cheney and his whole evil empire, Mr.12% approval rating! Applausa Amigos!!!

Personally I though McCain would choose either Dog the Bounty Hunter or Hulk Hogan's kid (if he's out of jail by now).

(Message edited by erip on September 04, 2008)

Nobody can can name 3 major accomplishments Obama has achieved! Being elected to office in a predominantly black district to the Illinois senate isn't really an achievement. Being elected to the US Senate in a predominantly Democrat State with no real opponent is not really an achievement. What stands out as an accomplishment as a result as those elections!

And what about the religious right. It seems that Obama prays to God to be an instrument of God's will. What do all of you liberals think of Obama praying to God to be an instrument of God's will.

http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/World/2008/07/25/6264826-ap.html

It looks like Palin is every bit as effective as delivering a speech as Obama is. As Hillary said.....McCain has years of experience....Obama has a speech he gave!

You're such a fucking moron, Beachman. Do you do nothing other than watch Fox News?

Obama wrote and secured bipartisan support and a badly divided state legislature (in a REAL state, with lots of people!) to reform state ethics and health laws. As co-chairman of a joint legislative committee on administrative reform, he worked with the governor to pass reforms on predatory mortgage and "payday" loan practices. He sponsored and led unanimous passage of legislation dealing with racial profiling, and also, after winning the chair of the Senate's Health and Human Services Committee, worked with police organizations to reform the death penalty in Illinois. He received praise from the police for his work on both these issues!

And Palin? She fought for funding for the Bridge to Nowhere until the Feds pulled out. She hired a lobbyist to go after pork for her city. She expanded the size of government in her city, and gave up day-to-day administration of the city to a hired administrator when faced with a citizen recall petition.

Worst campaign slogan ever.
"You're a fucking moron if you don't think like us and worship our guy".

No wonder you guys have have lost so many national elections in the past and are only tenuously holding on to a slim lead in what should easily be a year where you guys should have a 20% or more lead at this point.

Branquinho

Looks like Obamas payday laon reform was a real success....403% APR on a 2 week loan!

http://www.mypaydaycashadvanceloans.com/payday-loans/illinois



Looks like Obama has real ethics having a political supporter pay him $8,000 a month for legal advice after he had neglected his law practice....WHERE IS THE ETHICS IN THAT!
http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-killerspin27apr27,0,7333598,full.story

By Chuck Neubauer and Tom Hamburger, Los Angeles Times Staff Writers
April 27, 2008
WASHINGTON -- After an unsuccessful campaign for Congress in 2000, Illinois state Sen. Barack Obama faced serious financial pressure: numerous debts, limited cash and a law practice he had neglected for a year. Help arrived in early 2001 from a significant new legal client -- a longtime political supporter.

Chicago entrepreneur Robert Blackwell Jr. paid Obama an $8,000-a-month retainer to give legal advice to his growing technology firm, Electronic Knowledge Interchange. It allowed Obama to supplement his $58,000 part-time state Senate salary for over a year with regular payments from Blackwell's firm that eventually totaled $112,000.

Looks like once again the Democrats are at risk of losing the fucking moron vote. Add that to having lost the racist vote and one begins to understand why Obama doesn't have a 20 percent lead.

I don't know what to make of this, but it sure does make entertaining reading!

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/09/03/mccain-camp-battles-natio_n_123696.html

Beachman sounds like one hand clapping.

This Palin lady looks like a moose caught in the headlights of an oncoming car.

Just more hypocrisy and posing this attempt by Repugnacants to tag Obama with the "inexperience" label as if policy and ideology play no part in their own voting decisions. As if a pro-life conservative would ever vote for a pro-choice democrat on top of the ticket no matter if that democrat had the most immaculate resumé to lead.

U.S. elections are just game playing and the real issues are ignored. And we don't elect dictators and Presidents actually do less in the way of being executives than corporate CEOs. Instead they front an administration that represents an ideological viewpoint as to what direction the country should go.

Bottom line Beachman, and you goddamn know it's true, is that you will vote for McCain/Palin because they stand for what you stand for more than Obama/Biden, and if the "experience" factor that you portray such concern for between McCain and Obama were completely reversed, you would still vote for McCain and find something else to harp on Obama about while trying to defend "no experience" charges hurled at McCain. Likewise, even though I didn't support him in the primaries, I will vote for Obama because I generally share his views, and I will do so if you completely convince me that he does not have the qualifications to be President because I know that he is just the front man as the entirely failure prone Bush, Jr. was for the GOP disaster of the previous 8 years. I could not vote to install an administration which is completely antithetical to my social and political views no matter how impressive and competent their front person was. I will vote for the person who stands for what I stand for and appoints judges and federal administrators, and processes the counsel of advisers who stand for what I stand for. So the discussion points that matter are why do we believe that one ideology or the other is better for the country.

Dubya's largest failures in office don't as much stem from his poor personal qualities as the ideology that he brought to office and people who he appointed to serve who shared that ideology. So the ideology that the U.S. can go it alone leads to Iraq and the dissolution of U.S. prestige, international alliances and power and of course destabilizes the oil markets leading to painful inflation and economic chaos and confusion in the minds of previously environmentally concerned americans as to whether we should reduce the Rocky Mountains to a pile of played out oil shale rubble, drill drill drill, and bring back nuclear power en masse; the view that religious values should restrict scientific advancement (e.g. stem cell research); the view that the government can eliminate cherished civil liberties and classic american values regarding fairness and freedom as the most important anti-terrorism weapon; the view that Global Warming ain't happening. McCain is certainly ahead of Bush on some of these issues but the very fact of his party association makes him vulnerable to acquiescing to Bush/Cheney ideology as his selection of stacked Sarah for VP is indicative of.

So if the campaign is going to be a major subject on this whoreboard for the next 2 months, it would be great if we can get real and not mouth the empty slogans and attacks of the spin doctors, and instead discuss real issues like war and peace and international relations, environment, civil liberties, imposition of religious ideologies into political ideologies and all the sub-issues that flow from that such as abortion, et al. The process of electing candidates in the U.S. disrespects us with its Madison Avenue assaults completely designed to have us take our eyes off the ball.

Could the ANTI-CHRIST be a woman from Alaska. That unqualified vile bitch sure knows how to read a pack of lies written by Karl Rove from a teleprompter while smiling like an evil, hate spewing, idiot.

If SARAH is not SATAN, then she is certainly the next Ann Coulter. This entire republican convention is the most disgusting thing I have ever watched. Thank God for Friday when I can go back to watching pornos.

McCain will destroy America. He must be rejected and the republican party must be destroyed.

I dont know why this isnt all over the media!! I figured it would be top story, after Palin's speech.

Prominent Republican analysts Peggy Noonan and Mike Murphy became the latest victims of an open microphone Wednesday, caught after a segment on MSNBC trashing John McCain's pick of Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin as his running mate.

Noonan, a Wall Street Journal columnist and former speechwriter for Ronald Reagan, and Murphy, a campaign strategist and onetime aide to John McCain, can both be heard expressing disbelief with the pick of Palin after they apparently thought they were in a commercial break.

Here is what they were caught saying about Miss 5 colleges in 6 years!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CrG8w4bb3kg

McCain's an idiot. He can't even pronounce the word Nuke-U-Lar!

At least McCain was honest enough to admit that the Bush Administration has failed miserably the past 8 years. He has my respect for that!!

Honest enough, or politically calculating enough?

Or maybe vindictive enough, given what Bush did to him in South Carolina when they ran against each other in the Republican primary there.

(Message edited by LAguy on September 04, 2008)

God I love Jon Stewart.

My favorite ones are the O'Reilly quotes followed the Rove quotes that, when played back to back, make him sound quite stupid.

Jon Stewart Annihilates Sarah Palin's Media Surrogates

http://ccinsider.comedycentral.com/cc_insider/2008/09/jon-stewart-ann.html

Xenono, I was JUST going to post the exact same thing!!! I guess great minds think alike!!!

McCain to lose by 6 points, you heard it here first.

I'd like to agree with you, but no one really "wins" by "points." Remember the fucking Electoral College? What you have to predict is how many EC votes McCain will lose by.

Yes and no. If he gets six percent more votes than McCain, he wins the electoral college no questions asked. If he wins by one or maybe two percentage points, then the electoral college becomes important.

As much as I like to make predictions, this one is too hard to predict. There are just too many questions about what will be revealed about the various candidates between now and the election.

But if I had to make a prediction just for fun, Obama wins by 3 percent and gets 311 electoral votes. What is my prize if I get it right? How about a potentially reasonable and competent president?

Objectivly, (and I am well known for my objectivity) I am giving Obama 60% odds of winning, McCain 40% odds. Whoever wins I believe it will probably be by the slimmist margin and 80% odds neither will hit the 50% mark.

Never under-estimate the stupidity of the American voter.

Obama has so many factors in his favor, most arising from the unpopularity of Bush, the War, and Republicans in general.

It appears that Obama is holding most of the red states and that a number of blue states are leaning his way or toss ups.

However, the polls are going to be hard to follow since there is no way they will pick up those who won't vote for him due to his skin color or his Islamic name. Also polls do not generally pick up conservative sentiment.

Need to try posting a pic again. When is Hombre going to post clear unambiguous instructions on how to upload pictures? Every time I try to interpret the instructions on this board re posting pictures it is a challenge.

(Message edited by LAguy on September 06, 2008)

What a dick.

In the next few days, Obama / Biden will release their own pitbull dog with lipstick on to attack Palin. The Democratic Party's pitbull dog is named Hillary. It won't be pretty, but Hillary is going to rip Sarah apart.

For those of you who are drinking the Obama Cool Aid....do you really know your canidate?

http://www.ibdeditorials.com/IBDArticles.aspx?id=302137342405551

Last time I saw a slew of hit pieces using similar innuendo about Marxism and socialism about a Democratic candidate, the far-right fascists were predicting similar economic disaster should Bill Clinton become President. What I get, if anything, from Beachman's transparent and misleading propaganda piece (at least it had the good graces to call itself an "editorial") is if we elect Obama we will get in return the same sort of economic prosperity we had under Clinton.