Beachman - lol

Quoting from Bill O'Neil's paper - PRICELESS. I also read IBD and must say I laugh at the editorials before using them as toilet paper but it's STILL a free country (the religious right's not squashed all freedoms yet) and you're allowed to read anything you like. Methinks the rest of us like the idea of not driving over dead people on the way to work so we'll accept prosperity for America, not just prosperity for a few...

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Hillary is NOT going to rip another female apart, it would not bode well for her political future. She will focus her attacks on McCain.

I read something on Huffingtonpost.com, politico.com, or some other such site that said pretty much the same thing as CFK. Given the number of reasonably visible female Democratic politicians (e.g., Sebelius, Hillary, McCaskill, maybe Feinstein or Pelosi), I would expect the task of tearing into Palin to be divided in such a way that no one of these Democrats looks like a pit bull, but in combination the job gets done.

This may be easier said than effectively done, however.

A rather scary development: the Gallup tracking poll just released today has McCain at 48 percent and Obama at 45. Although this poll seems to often differ from other national polls, and may be a bit aberational, it still is a development that should be worrisome for those who support Obama.

I agree, they need to take the collar off of Hillary and let her rip Palin to shreds!! It would show party untiy if she came in and destroyed Palin, so Obama and Biden dont have to get dirty.

Re: Polls

Back in 2004, Kerry led Bush right up until September. Then the 527's came around and Kerry almost never led again.

It will be something to watch this time around. Kerry also received almost no convention bounce. At least Obama did, even if it was relatively short lived.

Here is the chart:

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/bush_vs_kerry_hth.html


(Message edited by xenono on September 07, 2008)

Never let 'em see you sweat.

However, polls at this point in the game are basically worthless since historically they usually have little relation to who actually wins on election day. So I wouldn't worry to much just yet.

Still, I bet you guys would be sleeping easier if you had chosen a "good" candidate and were simply seeing what should be your 20 point lead slipping to a 15 point lead on McCain's convention bump.

Hey, did you guys see the sound bite where Obama slips up and says "My Islamic faith". True story. Not making it up. Does that mean Obama is a racist? Since apparently making "Barak Hussein Obama is a Moslem jokes", even in jest, makes you a racist.

Yes I did see the interview where Obama discusses how he is often smeared by the false allegation that he is a Moslem.

By the way, the comment I made a while back about how I couldn't decide whether your comment was racist, or simply not funny, was about your "joke" about Michelle Obama, not Barrack Obama. It would have been interesting to see how funny you would have thought it was had the joke tried to attribute a Moslem faith to lily-white Cindy McCain.

Based on your comment above, it looks like my comment appropriately hit a nerve.

I stand by my original statement that Michelle Obama would look better in a burqa. Nothing to do with race, just an observation. Others are entitled to their own opinion.

If someone had joked about Cindy McCain being a Moslem I would possibly be confused, but would hardly be offended. Perhaps it would be more analogous to make "Cindy McCain is a Nazi" jokes. I would not be offended by that either. In fact I am rather difficult to offend since I do not take any of this stuff to seriously.

Well, when perhaps 10 percent of the voting public still believes Obama is Muslim, and the election likely will be decided by a couple of points, I do take this stuff seriously.

And while we are at it, how about providing us with a funny "Cindy McCain is a Nazi" joke, just so we can add to the hilarity?

(Message edited by LAguy on September 08, 2008)

Keith Olberman and Chris Matthews fired/deleted
from the Obama networked. I guess Obama finally has put the pressure on the head hochos at MSNBC to cut the obvious liberal bullshit of the air!


He is beginning to panic.....he stammered his wau on the Sunday morning rounds and watch him fold to O'Reilly's interview tonight..

Beachman,

I am Sancho seems to be stumped. Perhaps you could make a useful contribution to this board for a change and come up with a really good Cindy McCain is a Nazi joke.

Waiting in anticipation.

Laguy, I doubt that 10% of people who actually go to the polls believe now or will believe on election day that Obama is Muslim. The most ignorant and apathetic don't go to the polls, and those who do go will surely have enough information to know the truth. I'm more concerned about poll and count rigging!

I was going to accuse I am Sancho of being a Christian, but I decided not to hit that far below the belt!

I told you all that I have converted to Catholicism since last Wednesday night. Ironically, I will probably burn in hell for all eternity specifically because of my actions last Wednesday night. None the less, I believe it was worth eternal damnation.

"Holy Mary, Mother of God, pray for us sinners, now and at the hour of our death."

Breachman,

We wouldn't want any liberal stuff on the air. Just like we wouldn't want any conservative stuff on the air. I assume you must believe that all media should be neutral given the offense you take with Olberman (sic) and Matthews. So you'll be writing to Fox to make sure that pundits/analysts with a conservative bent, such as O'Really?, Hannity, Limburger, and Rove are removed from any election eve coverage. Right? Because you're a fair and balanced kind of guy.

BTW, are you involved in the hobby that is the raison d'être for this board. I haven't seen a post dealing with pussy from you in many years. With the real estate market being in the shitter, I imagine you're making due with handjobs and prostate massages from Korean masseuses.

"With the real estate market being in the shitter, I imagine you're making due with handjobs and prostate massages from Korean masseuses."

Please say it isn't so: Beachman is Don Gringo??

(Message edited by LAguy on September 08, 2008)

Please say it isn't so: Beachman is Don Gringo??

No. It's just a Florida thing. On his worst days Don Gringo can't be as inarticulate nor spell as badly as Breachman. And while the great DG has been rather silent for a while, he has made the occasional mongering-related post. Brother BM hasn't posted anything on his own mongering experiences since....well...maybe never! But nothing even remotely related to mongering in the past 7 years! He seems to prefer playing political troll.

As unofficial board historian, I can tell you that in the way things go, this board might not exist now but for Beachman. To his great credit, he aggressively took on Lakers on Redsnake, and to an extent NC Snake himself for oddly being more protective of Lakers than Lakers' opponents on the board. For all you newcomers, Lakers was a profound irritant on the TJ mongering boards preceeding this one, and basically played a part in the death of all of them. He was not a troll, just an incredible pain in the ass and distraction in virtually every discussion thread over several years.

I know NC Snake had considered exploding Redsnake for a long time, but the Beachman v. Lakers battle was the last straw - especially when the Snake himself became the subject of criticism.

Redsnake abruptly disappeared, and of all the wannabe successors which emerged immediately, the "TJ Hombre" board emerged as the winner - and Hombre refused to allow Lakers to register as Lakers on the new board causing Lakers to start his own message board (ushering in the era of charging a membership fee for TJ forums as TJ Hombre was at the start-up, entirely free).

So you know the rest of the story - Hombre starts traveling around the world and decides to remake TJ Hombre into Club Hombre and here we are. If Redsnake goes on for another 6 months or a year, perhaps Hombre's circumstances and thought patterns are different and this board never gets started.

My 600 page version should be available in bookstores and on Amazon shortly.

(Message edited by erip on September 08, 2008)

Is Lakers still acting as a "guide" for guys in TJ? Does he still know all the best places to get haircuts? I wonder if he's still wearing the same shitty Lakers jacket he used to?

2000-2001 was certainly a simpler time, and the TJ crowd was still at full force.

By the way, I forgot to do my annual mid-August shout-out for WestFargo's passing back around that time.

Last I heard Lakers is splitting his time between the PI and SD/TJ. He still has his site and the last time I saw him roaming around the zona norte he was guiding a presumably terrified newbie. It would appear that he's mellowed a degree or two after all these years, but I am too happily insulated from his web presence to know if the demons are still kicking.

LA Guy, I have seen palin twice and both times I thought it was a trailer for an old Saturday Night Live rerun with Ms Church Lady in full rant. The same tone of voice, the same hairdoo, the same sarcastic bitch whine designed to infuriate all but those who had finished their second glass of the republican aid coolaid. And the party fathers, I predict will be dressing all in brown soon, except for the "special ones" that qualify for special missions. They will be wearing grey and march funny.

Her likely reply to an opponents question in a debate?" "Isn'that SPECIAL!!!".

Well it looks like the Palin choice accomplished one thing and that is to take attention away from McCain. It just proves to me that McCain knows this is his last shot at becoming President and if he does it will be one term presidency anyway unless we want a really old fart in the White House.

I lost respect for McCain when he coddled and sucked up to Bush and the Bush team that tore him apart in 2000. Have some self respect. It is also disturbing that everytime there is a major financial / banking crisis either he or his son is in the middle of it (S&L / Siverstate Mortgage). Except for his POW years , he's relied on family connections his whole life.

As for Obama , I sick of hearing the GOP referring to "community organizer" like a derogatory comment. Why don't they get off their dead asses and try to do some community organizing in an impoverished nieghborhood. It's hard thankless work.

Erip-

Wow...you have a great memory....Redsnake seems like a lifetime ago! Lakers was a pain and if I remember correctly Porker had some problems with Lakers also. Hombre did a great job with this site and was wise to not allow Lakers to register. Didn't Lakers try to register under a different handle at one time. You are probaly right...if Redsnake hadn't of shut down Hombre probaly wouldn't of started this site. Only Hombre can answered that.....this site is 100 times better than Redsnake ever was!

Blissman:

When I saw her speech before the RNC, I thought she was imitating you imitating a redneck from Alabama. The way she scrunched her nose and contorted her face when she read those "zingers" that had been prepared and packaged for her by a Bush speechwriter made me wonder whether you were one of her media consultants.

Although if true that would have been rather shocking, what really strained credulity was the number of American bozos who (if the polls are to be believed) ate it all up. Then again, part of the reason they may have done so was because they were listening to and being influenced by the highly complimentary things the liberal elite media (these days aka Fox News wannabes) said about her speech immediately after it was finished.

Obama look out!


http://www.inews3.com/topstory.php?id=42656163687c4d616e

Beachman, all the TJ vets knew Lakers and all battled with him on the boards for many years including his friends. Porker had been a friend at one time to Lakers but he attacked with steam coming out of his head when Lakers started his website and offered tours - and then he was pimping it all over the net. But your attacks were the catalyst because the owner was at the end of his patience - and when he gave you shit for persisting in the offensive, you gave it back to him and said, hey - why are you talking to me - what about that other guy? I don't know if NC Snake was thin skinned or what, but that was it for him. Redsnake wasn't going to go on very much longer as Snake himself had lost interest in TJ, but if things had been more peaceful it would have survived for a longer time.

Lakers did use other handles in the early days of TJ Hombre, but he wasn't happy being forced to post without the full notoriety of the Lakers handle. He added a message board to the site he had created to pimp his tours, and soon voluntary donations became mandatory - the TJ community had its first meaningful fracture. This board evolved from a free TJ site - the natural successor to ASPT, JR's, Redsnake - into a world wide for pay monger board for access to all the features - and most of the TJ guys scatterred to other sites - though only a small number have ever been on Lakers's site.

I remember I got booted off of Laker's board because I made a post here about of his flame wars on his site.

Also, he had so many different handles, he was having conversations with himself sometimes.

Whatever become of Red I wonder? Still in Nevada somewhere?

Looks like Obama is going to keep the Bush tax cuts...at least for a year. Talk about change!

You build your whole campaign on the "ufair" tax system that Bush put in place and now he says....oh its not so bad now.

Did you see that revenues have increased 19% under Bush versus Clinton.

But spending has increased to and the Republican Congress was held accountable for that in 2006. What has the Democratic Congress done since 2008......NADA!

Obama can talk all he wants that the average family has less disposable income now.

The reality is our government is a reflection of it's people when it comes to spending.

Credit card debt! The average American thinks they are entitled to all the technical toys and luxuries on the market. Plasma TV's, cell phones for every member in the family, 500 channels of cable, highest speed internet, a new computer every time new bells and whistles comes out, Starbucks, eating out at restaurants more than they eat at home, the list goes on!

The Democractic Congress has done very little SINCE 2008. But, since 2006, they have accomplished quite a bit. Some of the best stuff was vetoed by Bush, however.

This election is very simple:

If you support the oil companies, vote for McCain.

If you liked George Bush, vote for McCain.

If you want a war in Iraq for 100 years, vote for McCain.

Otherwise, throw out the Republicans, and vote for Obama.

McCain is such a sleaze. Obama makes a comment about McCain's idea of change being like putting lipstick on a pig - a very common phrase that McCain also used about Hillary - and immediately there is an ad that spins the comment to make it look like Obama was specifically talking about Palin in making the remark !! Talk about flat out lying ! This should become a black eye for McLame but --
Unfortunately too many Amearicans are like beachman and too dense to seperate out the bullshit form the real issues.

Breachman,

Rail all you want against the rampant consumerism of the average American. Can't argue the point. The worst part is that Americans feel compelled to buy such big, energy-wasting homes! The scum in the real estate industry push people to buy more than they need, and the scum in the financial industry give them loans they shouldn't be given. Well, at least they used to.

While Americans may be overspending at their own peril, that hardly changes the fact that the income of middle- and lower-SES Americans has been squeezed significantly. Obama is right on.

McCain doesn't get it. Obama at least sort of gets it. As the sign in the Clinton war room said, "It's the Economy, Stupid." The Republicans don't have a leg to stand on with respect to arguing that they are the better stewards of the economy:

I think Obama and his supporters are missing out entirely on McCain's tactic with lipstick-on-a-pig-gate or the Britney ad or lots of the really silly shots McCain's folks are making at him. The American public could really care less about any of that silliness. But Obama quite literally tends to get his panties all in a bunch over that kind of stuff and he starts whining like a girl about it, which makes him look bad to the American public. No one likes a whiner. A humorous comeback, perhaps with a turnaround would be a much better for Obama than sniveling and becoming defensive. But the McCain camp recognizes it is all to easy to get a defensive reaction out of Obama.

Okay, let's see. If you are Kerry and fail to respond quickly or aggressively to the Swift Boat ads, you are a wuss and lose the election. If you are Obama, and respond quickly and aggressively to Republican smears and lies, you are a sniveling girl and defensive.

I guess you just can't win against these far-right fascist attacks.

Here is what McCain said about 100years in Iraq.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VFknKVjuyNk


Why does nobody complain about troops in Germany, Japan and Korea after all these years. Why didn't Clinton/Gore remove all the troops from those countries.

Obama distorts the truth on what McCain said about 100 years in Iraq but now he wants to whine about the pig on a lipstick remark!

Le'me explain how I would do it if I were Obama. McCain makes a stupid shot at me over an obviously innocuous lipstick on a pig comment. Instead of getting my panties in a bunch, whining and having everyone start calling people fascists and morons, which is a sure way NOT to bring in crossover voters, I would instead go get a big giant, ugly, dirty hog from a farm somewhere. Paint "8 years of Bush" on the side of it in big block letters. Roll a web cam, and I would actually put lipstick on that big ugly dirty hog with "8 years of Bush" painted on the side of it and say "See, I was right, you can try putting put lipstick on it, but it IS still a pig". Then I would post it on YouTube. . Situation defused. Majority of voters will yawn at the boringness and stupidity of the whole deal but a few will think it was the funniest damn thing they ever saw. I'd get a few humorous punchlines in the evening news. The focus of the remark would be graphically put back on 8 years of Bush. Easy, no whining like a bitch, no insulting half the voters in the country by calling them fascist and morons. Keep it positive, or if you do attack, smile when you do it. Whining will get you nowhere and if your opponent see's he can easily get you defensive and whining, he will probably take advantage.

Finally!!!

Sarah Palin's Policy Positions:

Health Care: Whatever Mr. McCain thinks is best

Iraq War: Just wants son to have a chance to shoot something smaller and more Muslim than the usual moose in the backyard

Abortion: Will personally carry any unwanted fetuses to term

Immigration: Whatever Mr. McCain thinks is best

Economy: "If running the US economy is anything like running Alaska's, things will be fine once we reduce the number of caribou in the streets"

Climate: Whatever Mr. McCain thinks is best

Foreign Affairs: Boasts strong relationships made over the past 20 months with numerous dignitaries from the continental United States

Major legislative initiative: The Bridge to Nowhere

Most disappointing legislative failure: Congress' defunding of the Wasilla Pipeline to God

(pieces compliments of The Onion)

Beachman: It is very simple, but I doubt you will understand. The culture of Iraqis (and Arabs in general) is different from that of Germany, Japan, and Korea. Simply stating we may be in Iraq for 100 years is highly inflammatory to most Iraqs as well as the Arab world, irrespective of whether you are talking about a war or simply the presence of military bases. If McCain had a modicum of competency, he would not have said such a thing.

Whereas many, if not most, Japanese consider MacArthur a hero, in Iraqi and Arab history George Bush will go down as an occupier and blood enemy. Should McCain follow in his footsteps, he will too, and this in no way is going to benefit the U.S.

"Why does nobody complain about troops in Germany, Japan and Korea after all these years."

If you mean "why doesn't anybody complain..." (are you an illegal alien?)...that would be because we stay in those countries in part because the host nations continue to invite our presence. They see strategic advantages to our presence. The same is not true in Iraq. The Iraq government--democratically elected--wants us out. And our presence there has had more of a destabilizing than stabilizing effect in the region.

I had the pleasure of visiting Baghdad a couple of years ago. Many residents expressed their appreciation for the support of the US, but clearly resented the continuing military presence. The Iraqi political establishment feels the same way. When we insist on maintaining a presence well after the invitation has been withdrawn, we transition from protector to occupier.

KM:

You hit the nail right on the head. But that is what the Republicans are masters of. They simply can't win an honest debate on the issues because they know their positions are unpopular.

So they seize on little things that don't really matter and make them into big issues. This distracts the easily distracted American voter and always works.

So we, the media, and everyone else ends up talking about a fucking expression that McCain, Palin and now Obama have all used instead of the economy, Iraq, health care, taxes, etc.

If I had a dollar for every time the political correctness police made a way over the top federal case because I quite inocently used some word or other in some obscure way that they have decided should be offensive to some other group........

And here is the irony about all this. The Republicans are the ones that rail about political correctness and how people just need to "toughen up" a bit.

If Palin and McCain campaign can't handle a lipstick on a pig comment (a complete and total non issue, by the way), how are they going to handle North Korea, Iraq, Iran, Russia?

To quote Dick Morris when Hillary once complained about alleged sexism on the campaign....

"I'm going to take my toys and go home, because the big boys are picking on me. What happens when the boys in the middle east, or the boys in Russia, or the boys in China, start picking on you? Are we going to have the Vice (I added that) President of the United States saying the boys are picking on me"?

Only when it suits the Republicans political interests and makes for a good sound bite...

IAS: And you think Obama sounds like a crybaby? Wouldn't it be better if rather than bitching and moaning about what people say about you you went to a pig farm and put lipstick on a pig? LOL.

Biden questions Obama's choice foe Vice-President.
Pandering for Hillary voter's!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GM537BgCsMg

This is how both Democrats and Republicans spin everything that is wrong and this is the way the media questions them and let them bullshit and talk around the real problems. The Politicians and the media are in this together.... and the American people have been bribed with a standard of living that is so good that we will complain.....but we we never make any real sacrifices to change the way the politicians and the media play with our future.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WcU4t6zRAKg

Now McCain is really picking up on the serious issues facing America. His latest ad attacks Obama, claiming he's more interested in teaching kindergartners about sex than how to read. And where does this claim come from? Obama voted for (not sponsored, but voted for) a bill supporting voluntary comprehensive sex education when he was a state senator. So how do you get from that to the claim in the ad? And what does the issue have to do with what's important? McCain is sinking into Karl Rove territory now.

Meanwhile, the latest figures show the deficit is growing, and the market is faltering again despite the Fannie/Freddie bailout. There are serious problems all around, and McCain wants to talk about sex education. Talk about pandering to the Religious Right!

Fuck McCain. At one point I gave him his due as a serious candidate. I disagreed with his positions, but thought he wanted what's best for the country. I don't believe that any longer.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wr8GW7bCyMQ

So, Beachman, do you endorse McCain's new enthusiasm for abstinence education? I couldn't quite understand why you posted the link above. Certainly you don't disagree with the idea that sex ed ought to be age-appropriate and science-based. Or maybe you do. Palin, and now apparently McCain, support abstinence-only until marriage sex ed, funded by the federal government, despite the fact that the government's own 5-year experimental study showed that the programs don't work.

http://www.mathematica-mpr.com/abstinencereport.asp

Why talk about science when you could be talking about creationism, fundamentalism, and your underage children could be making babies?