Hot4ass2: I'm going to have to give you a demerit for posting a link--from Rolling Stone--I posted two weeks ago in this thread, see above around Oct. 5. But if such repetition is what it takes to get Beachman and IAS to read, and more importantly comprehend, the Rolling Stones article, my hat is off to you.

Then again IAS has earlier admitted he is retarded so posting the link even 100 times may do him no good. And Beachman has made an even more damaging admission, namely that he is Beachman. Some really have it tough!

Hotass and Laguy-


How can you take this article seriously from the Rolling Stone.


McCain saw that Bush had a fail Presidency after 8 months and saw 9/11 gave Bush a second chance.

The missing piece of this puzzle, says a former McCain confidant who has fallen out with the senator over his neoconservatism, is a third, never realized, campaign that McCain intended to run against Bush in 2004. "McCain wanted a rematch, based on ethics, campaign finance and Enron — the corrupt relationship between Bush's team and the corporate sector," says the former friend, a prominent conservative thinker with whom McCain shared his plans over the course of several dinners in 2001. "But when 9/11 happened, McCain saw his chance to challenge Bush again was robbed. He saw 9/11 gave Bush and his failed presidency a second life. He saw Bush and Cheney's ability to draw stark contrasts between black and white, villains and good guys. And that's why McCain changed." (The McCain campaign did not respond to numerous requests for comment from Rolling Stone.)

"Rolling Stone, no. Fox 'News', Limbaugh, Drudge, yes."

The mantra of a madman.

I can take the Rolling Stone article seriously because I am a citizen of Arizona and even sadder, John McCain is my senator.

I have been watching this lying peice of shit deceive everybody, even myself at some point, for many years while doing absolutely noting for our state or his constituents.

Rolling Stone has got him nailed. I knew just about every one of those facts well before McCain ever became the republican nominee.

In fact, about a year ago I told my mother (a clueless RNC supporter) that I did not believe the republicans would be stupid enough to nominate a complete fraud like McCain.

My other motto is "Never underestimate the stupidity of the American voter" and you, beachworm, certainly add credence to that supposition.

You gotta love your VP choice bigmouth Biden. Guaranteeing there will be an international crisis in the first six months if Obama is elected. Looks like he is challenging any bad country or organization to "bring it on."

Biden is admitting that Obama is not experienced enough and an international crisis is guaranteed to happen. Now if Biden and Obama were really patriotic ....they would spare our country from a certain international crisis and conceded the election.


And Obama picked Biden for his foreign affairs experience and he is challenging the word to create a generated international crisis to test Obama.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=keEsJVrlw6I

Kind of like the Bush/Cheney team screaming "a recession is on the way and we need to cut taxes today" about a half-hour after they took office?

Beachman: I thought the Rolling Stone article had some good information in it and the title "Make-Believe Maverick, A closer look at the life and career of John McCain reveals a disturbing record of recklessness and dishonesty," very appropriate.

Now if they had instead used the alternate title under consideration: "McCain, the Candidate who Gave Melanoma a Bad Name," I would have had to begrudgingly agree they were going too far.

Looks like CNN is finally seeing the fraud Obama is:

http://cosmos.bcst.yahoo.com/up/player/popup/?rn=3906861&cl=10311968&ch=4226716&src=news

He is a fraud? Is that your opinion? I don't think he's a fraud. I've seen no evidence to support that he's a fraud. If you decide that he is a fraud on Day One and then look to construct evidence around your feelings, then your opinions are basically worthless. Blind ideology sets us all back one step.

Democrats for McCain!

Looks like Beachman really is losing his tenuous grip on reality.

You know... If Obama wins this thing I'm leaving the country. That's it.

I gotta hand it to Beachman, he's the only water carrier left I know of that's not being paid to do it. Everyone of the Republicans that I know have, over the last eight years, one by one shut up in the face of one catastrophic clusterf@#ck after the other, most of them are either not voting or voting for Obama. Yet here's our boy growling and barking like we're just getting ready to invade Iraq. It doesn't really speak to his intelligence but loyalty is worth something I guess, Kudos Beachman.

IAS:

Let me guess . . . you'll leave the country for a mongering trip, return, leave again, return, and so forth.

I will do the same thing if Obama wins. There is common ground after all.

The Handy Reference Guide to Bush Disasters, Incompetencies, and Lies

http://www.commondreams.org/archive/2008/05/13/8923

Larry David's (the real one) take on the coming election:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/larry-david/waiting-for-nov-4th_b_137029.html

I am Sancho: You know... If Obama wins this thing I'm leaving the country. That's it.

Wow! Another good reason to go to the polls and vote against McPain. Thanks to your promise I am going to the polls and vote for OBaman seven times.

No hard feelings, though. Here, have a nut from an oak tree, just to ensure that you understand the jovial, brotherly way that I accepted your promise.

Blissman, I'll bet Sancho is leaving the country whether Obama wins or not. In fact, I'm betting that he will be leaving the country numerous times over the coming year.

After all...he never said he wasn't coming back.

Obama " Ayers, just a guy in the neighborhood.:

Ayers, self admitted domestic terrorist who wishes he did more bombing.


Do you really believe Obama had no association with Ayers.

http://www.zombietime.com/zomblog/?p=64

http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/10/20/obama-praised-searing-timely-book-ayers/

Beachman is beginning to remind me of a monkey in a zoo who looks forward to defecating every day so he can fling his shit at whoever is walking by.

I don't pretend to understand such monkey behavior and I certainly don't pretend to understand Beachman's.

Obama endorsed Ayers book.....Ayers is a self confessed terrorist.


If McCain would have endorsed a book by David Duke can you imagine the outrage by the press.

Regardless of if you are for Obama or McCain the press is corrupt and doesn't even make an attempt to be fair.

Tell us..... is this the cost you are ready to pay to put the Democrats in power... You are so in love with the taste of the Democratic left wing media Kool Aid they serve and the failure of the press to inform the public of all the facts and omitting facts.

You accuse Bush of lying and omitting facts.... but let Obama and the media control what you can hear and can not hear!


You have no problem with Obama spending 600 million to get elected ....but if it was McCain we wouldn't be hearing the last of it.

Imagine.....if Obama is friends with Ayers....who will he be giving Presidential pardons to!

William Ayers has a past that has that includes ugly facts and great accomplishments. He's managed to garner accolades from his community and the power elite including many Republicans. His place in the Chicago educational system makes it very difficult for a young politician to avoid him and why should he? In spite of his past he's done wonderful things and, as far as society goes, is a free man. If he is a criminal he would be in jail. The american public has looked at the facts seen them for what they are, a desperate ploy from a desperate man and more in a long line of evidence that neither he nor his party deserve to be trusted. Those are the facts and no amount of lipstick will dress up that bulldog.


William Ayers was one of three co-authors of the Chicago Annenberg Challenge grant proposal that in 1995 won $49.2 million over five years for public school reform. In 1997 Chicago awarded him its Citizen of the Year award for his work on the project. Since 1999 he has served on the board of directors of the Woods Fund of Chicago, an anti-poverty, philanthropic foundation established as the Woods Charitable Fund in 1941.

Let's see, what should everyone know about McCain that they don't know? That he was a principle cause of the fire on the USS Forrestal back in the 60's that killed many sailors and took a carrier out of commission for a year? That he cheated on his wife and left her for a younger, prettier, richer model? That his current, second wife, the rich ex-mistress, was a drug addict? That he's guilty of accepting bribes? That in order to try and win the presidency in 2008 he's nuzzled up to the machine that destroyed him in 2000? That he and his minions are, at this very moment, calling Obama a terrorist, a socialist, a marxist, anti-American, un-patriotic, so on and so forth?

And it's Obama telling lies? Beachman, you're just not a very smart guy.

What proof do you have of McCain being guilty of accepting bribes.


You mean the kind of bribes Obama has taken from Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac!

Again Beachman I admire your consistency if not your intelligence. At least America seems to be waking up. I think that they knew better in 00 and 04 but when things were good it was fun to see someone they thought was like them beating up on smart people. Now that the teenagers have trashed the house with their party they know they need an adult to clean it up, Thank God for Obama. I just hope it's not to late. The next few years won't be about Republican or Democrats because both parties are morally bankrupt. It'll be about the whole country taking a good look at it self and asking "What have I been doing?" and "What Now?". I really hope Obama can deliver on his potential and inspire America to great things again. We'll need at least eight years of FDR like leadership to see daylight and that sure isn't McCain/Palin.

What proof do you have of McCain being guilty of accepting bribes.

Did John McCain take bribes from Charles Keating?

Yes.

Keep in mind, the legal standard for indicting someone for bribery, and knowing someone took a bribe, are two different things. While it's quite certain that John McCain took money from Keating and performed favors on his behalf, the legal standard of proving a quid pro quo is higher than the obvious exchange that took place.

McCain took money and got away with it. He's still doing it today. He took money("campaign contributions") from the oil companies, and then changed his position on offshore drilling. Again, an obvious bribe, but difficult to prove in a court of law, as long as the transaction takes place without tangible evidence.

It was Flavor Aid. Kool Aid is not even historically correct. These right wing parrots just repeat anything that O'Reilly puts in their skulls.

NOTE TO FLORIDIANS: VOTE FOR OBAMA. YOU WILL BE SORRY IF YOU WRITE IN ONE OF THE BUTTHOLE SURFERS(and for those who don't know, there is a reason for this admonishment).

On the other hand, if you are Beachman, you may write in whomever you please. That is how much we respect your political judgment.

Bonus comment:

Here are some clarifications on the Kool Aid/Flavor Aid controversy:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flavor_Aid

"That he cheated on his wife and left her for a younger, prettier, richer model?"

And this is a bad thing??????

I'm shocked!!!!!

You guys are so childish! You get so emotional over one or the other, when in fact, neither cares a fucking shit about any of you or your family. It's just a contest to see who gets to fuck the population for the next four years.
Real change would be to do away with the scum bag IRS and all the fucking blood sucking accountants, and go to a flat tax. But you will never see real change, only "spin to get in"! So you guys can keep on snipping at each other, it only shows your ignorance of the situation at the highest level.

Yep that is right. It doesn't matter who is President. Al Gore would have started the Iraq war and mis-managed it the same way George W. Bush did.

And he would have appointed a bunch of Clarence Thomas clones to the Supreme Court. We are all ignorant for thinking who is President matters. Thanks for the insight.

La Guy,
I understand your a good guy, and we have some mutual friends. But you better get off the left coast dude, its fucking turning your brain to mush. Stop watching the View in your local Starbucks and start forming your own opinion, instead of quoting Woopie Funkin Goldberg!
Your not hurting my feelings with Bush Bashing, I lump all of them together. But seriously...Al Gore?? ROTFLMAO! He's laughing all the way to the bank with this global warming thing. Peace!

BUTTHOLE SURFERS Rule!!! Gibby Haynes should be King.
CG

Consider it done Laguy. Good memory.

LL,

I heard the last Presidential candidate you supported was Rutherford B. Hayes, back in your younger days. Do you feel he would be a good selection for candidate now?

It's funny, I've never watched the View (except when a short segment is passed off on a news show and I can't turn the channel fast enough); I avoid overpriced coffee at Starbucks (but yes, I do have an espresso machine) and Whoopie Goldberg gives me the creeps.

Actually so too does Al Gore although at one time I thought he might be okay as Obama's VP candidate largely because it would have helped Obama win the election (guess that idea was unnecessary). But as much as I don't particularly like Al Gore, I know he would not have gotten us into the Iraq war nor appoint arch conservatives like Alito and Roberts.

Now LL I know we have some mutual friends. But I don't think the way to expand the range of friends on this board is to declare that those of us who care about who becomes our next President all are showing our ignorance at the highest level by thinking the next election is consequential. Nor is it very friendly to "ROTFLMAO" when somone suggests (as support for the notion that elections matter) that Al Gore would not have gotten us into the Iraq war.

Perhaps instead of taking your next mongering trip you should take a tour of the U.S. and visit the families of the more than 4,000 servicemen and women who were killed in that war and then try ROTFLMAO should any of them tell you who the President is has consequences.

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The flat tax as proposed, would completely eliminate any capital gains taxes. While there is an initial emotional surge at this idea, the reality is it would eliminate those who do absolutely nothing for a living from paying any taxes. They would not pay any income taxes at all. The final polish would have be buffed out and the establisment of a royal class would be complete.

If any politician actually proposed a true flat tax, sans deductions and loopholes, he would be found with so many pickaxe wounds he would be mistaken for a plus-sized sponge.

A true flat tax would tax every last penny from every person at the same rate. Anything else would be just another deception that is shoved up the ass of all of the truly productive people in what is left of our country.

If you do not believe me, look at Shelby's proposal, among the most revered of all of the baited steel-trap flat tax conspiracies. Btw, he is a little less intellectually gifted than georgie; his wife routinely gives him scripts to parrot. He is the ultimate slave to his gringa spouse. And if you have ever seen him speak, the only thing that is certain is that he does not "speak out of both sides of his mouth." LOL!

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A true flat tax would tax all income the same - so sales of stock, etc would be taxed as income. But, agreed, no more mortgage deductions, no more charity deductions, nothing.

LL, you nailed it dead on.

Laguy:
"Now Joe there you go again"... Unless you are clairvoyant, there is no way for you to know how Gore or (the people he takes his orders from) would have reacted to the 911 tragedy. At least our solders know they are in a kill or be killed situation, something my cousin never knew before he died in the 1st tower on 911. So if we have to go there and root out the guilty, so be it!

I stand by my feelings about Al Gore.......His lifestyle is incongruent with his preachings. That leads me to believe he is in it for the money and celebrity and not a genuine commitment to being a "green" inhabitant of this planet.

Gore’s home uses more than 20 times the national average. The average household in America consumes 10,656 kilowatt-hours (kWh) per year, according to the Department of Energy. In 2006, Gore devoured nearly 221,000 kWh—more than 20 times the national average. Also he has been attacked numerous times about his use of a private jet to and from his heartfelt speeches about our planet.

But all this chatter only proves my point. You, Me NONE OF US... have any control of what the real decision makers are going to do. So if Obama gets in, maybe we replace Haliburton a company with republican ties with a General Dynamics or another company with democratic ties.
Don't you see it??? The only thing that changes is the names of the thieves.

Bliss:
Sorry I meant National Sales Tax. That way EVERYONE pays tax, you, me, LaGuy (when he buys his new Latte machine), drug dealers, illegals tourists. Right now, the people who pay the most have bad accounts and the people who pay the least have good accounts.

LL: I never thought I was clairvoyant, but if the definition of clairvoyant is knowing the absurdly obvious--that Gore would not have started a war in Iraq to avenge destructive acts against the U.S. that were performed by enemies of Iraq--I guess I am now a certified clairvoyant.

But I have no idea why you are talking so much about Al Gore when I used his name simply to illustrate that Presidential elections have important consequences; I don't even particularly like the guy but I do believe he would have made a better President than dirt (aka Bush). OTOH, is he running for something and I don't know about it, thereby justifying continuing a discussion about him here??

If we were starting out from scratch I might consider a national sales tax a good idea; I haven't given it enough thought though to know for certain.

However, perhaps LL or someone else could address one of the problems that would result from the fact we are not starting out from scratch. Many of us have (or given the current financial crisis "had") a fair amount of savings we earned and already paid income tax on. How do you avoid the double taxation problem, namely having to pay a national sales tax on top of the income tax already paid on our previous earnings? Only someone who prays to the tax gods would want that.

I suppose the problem could be mitigated by phasing out the income tax over 100 years (by a fixed percentage a year) and phasing in the national sales tax by a similar percentage for a number of years, but then you have to maintain two bureaucracies, and there would be very little advantage in making the change to most who are presently alive (and you would need even more clairvoyance than LL has already attributed to me to know whether it would benefit those who would be living 50 or 100 years from now).

Or maybe I've missed something.

Your turn LL. And since you channeled Palin in your penultimate post, I suppose I should use language you will understand: "BETCHA can't answer this question without referring to Al Gore DOGGONEIT."

If you look at the state of America prior to the depression and than watch how thoroughly FDR completely reorganized the whole thing I think you would have a hard time saying that one president is pretty much the same as the other. FDR, and Theodore Roosevelt for that matter, stood up to corporate America and the political elite creating new paradigms. If you want to fool yourself to say that's exactly what the powers that be wanted,party on. Eventually every governmental power structure falls apart, ask Rome, France or Britain. A lot of the time the whole change is initiated by one person or a small group of people. Change is inevitable, it's Darwinian. You're fooling yourself if you think everything we do doesn't matter including whose president. The truth is we've averaged one or two extraordinary presidents every century, more often than not the circumstances make the man. I would say we are way over due and in dire need, don't forget to vote.

Muuuussstttt.......rreeeesssssiiisssst.....engaging in FDR debate. 'Cept to say, no one here ever answered my question how am I better off with paying 6% of my gross income and my employer paying a matching 6% of my gross income to Social Security, for the wobbly promise of a meager pittance when I reach retirement age, than I would be if instead, that 12% of my lifelong gross income was put into a "401k-like" program. Even in a bear market, in a truly awful time in the stock market, I would still be WAY up over what I can expect from Social Security. Thanks FDR for taking HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS in potential lifelong expansion of my personal wealth away from me ;-) I will appreciate my pittance when I retire.

FDR had World World Two to bail him out. Talk about a President who lied to the American people. And do you forget how he tried to expand the Supreme Court and stack it with his own appointments. Looks like FDR was forming his own mini dictatorship by controlling all branches of government and a censured press that he wanted to control. With an appointed Surpreme Court he would have controlled everything!

Is the FDR administration a prelude to what we can expect with Obama.

Biden is telling the truth of a international crisis happening with an Obama election. And that we won't understand or agree with how they will handle the international crisis.

Can't imagine what an international crisis would look like under the Bush Adminstration.

Incidentally, does anyone know where my money has gone the last month? It seems to have disappeared and I'm having trouble finding it.

You can't underestimate the value of the freedom of speech, knowing what people really think can shock the hell out of you. Here is an interesting example of some of Pallin's People.

Man, Americans are getting frighteningly stupid.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vagD-4AH4Vc

Mongerx: I hope Beachman doesn't get mad at you for posting a video of him and his extended family. LOL

More seriously Mongerx, I'm not sure I agree that Americans are GETTING frighteningly stupid. You are talking about a country that had slavery, segregation, lynchings, "colored" water fountains, the Ku Klux Klan, and so forth. It has always had a substantial "frighteningly stupid" element.

Although some may want to believe there was an "enlightened period" at some point, I don't think there ever was in the U.S. Enlightened people constituting a portion of the population, yes. Overall, hard to make the case.

What has happened is with the advent of youtube, more extensive news coverage, and so forth, the underbelly of the U.S. is becoming more apparent and harder to ignore.

Given Obama is a credible candidate for President, and almost certainly the next President, it appears we are making progress (even if one doesn't like his politics, one would still have to acknowledge his becoming President would represent substantial racial progress compared to the past). But there still is a lot of work that needs to be done, some of which I am afraid will never be finished.

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