Diet? Vacation? Can you use those two words in the same sentance?

Personally, I'd just let the diet go while you're in the LoS.

Just MHO.


StrikeEagle

I did not watch my diet much in SE Asia, and neither gained nor lost weight. I ate mostly native food, which included a lot of rice and noodles, and had at least two sodas each day. I have no idea if this info helps you or not.

I have no plans to eat anything other than American food while overseas. I do drink two gallons of water per day which, it seems, is about the extent of my diet implementation until I return home to fight off Thai pussy withdrawal symptoms. If I can force myself to exercise a little (push ups, sit ups), I can help not get any WORSE than I am now while eating at the Pattaya buffets. OK fine, I will wait in the food portion of my diet until mid-March. Did I mention I will be screwing Thais for a month? Poor me...

Eat Thai rice and and Thai girls. Both taste great. This exercise diet will take off pounds.

Just tried a "pure protein" shake from Trader Joe's. It comes in a can and has 21 grams protein with only 5 carbs.. 100 calories and no fat.. The "cappuccino" flavor is the one I tried and it tasted pretty good considering there is no sugar.. There may be info at sprotnutrition.com

DT turned me on to a 2 CARB bar recently which was tasty as well called Ultimate Low Carb made by BioChem.

Anyone know of other low carb snacks similar to these? I'm not really counting carbs but avoiding large amounts such as found in bread and oatmeal that I was eating way too much of up until recently..

How's everyone's battle with the gut going? ;o)

I actually lost about 6 pounds in 2 weeks while in Thailand, i attribute this to healthier food as everything there is cooked from fresh ingredients, more exercise (bedroom and otherwise), and quite possibly i sweated some of it off

Naut

I lost 30 pounds in one year. It wasn't from the food or shakes, it was just from having sex with Baby in Nogales. The best weight loss program I have ever found.

High-Fat Diet Shows Promise in Study

CHICAGO (AP) - After years of dismissing the high-fat, low-carbohydrate Atkins diet, the medical establishment is at last putting it to a careful test and finding it might not be the nutritional folly they long assumed.



A small study released Monday found that contrary to expectations, dieters' cholesterol levels do not shoot through the roof, and they take off more weight — at least in the short term — than do people on a standard low-fat regimen.


"More study is necessary before such a diet can be recommended," said Dr. Eric Westman of Duke University. "However, a concern about serum lipid (cholesterol) elevations should not impede such research."


Experts caution that the number of overweight people studied on the Atkins diet is small, and the research does not examine possible long-term ills or advantages, including how long people keep the pounds off.


At least three formal studies of the Atkins diet have been presented at medical conferences over the past year, and all have reached similar results. The latest, conducted by Westman, was presented at the annual scientific meeting of the American Heart Association (news - web sites), long a stronghold of support for the traditional low-fat approach.


Westman, an internist at Duke's diet and fitness center, said he decided to study the Atkins approach because of concern over so many patients and friends taking it up on their own. He approached the Robert C. Atkins foundation in New York City to finance the research.


Westman studied 120 overweight volunteers, who were randomly assigned to the Atkins diet or the heart association's Step 1 diet, a widely used low-fat approach. On the Atkins diet, people limited their carbs to less than 20 grams a day, and 60 percent of their calories came from fat.


"It was high fat, off the scale," he said.


After six months, the people on the Atkins diet had lost 31 pounds, compared with 20 pounds on the AHA diet, and more people stuck with the Atkins regimen.


Total cholesterol fell slightly in both groups. However, those on the Atkins diet had an 11 percent increase in HDL, the good cholesterol, and a 49 percent drop in triglycerides. On the AHA diet, HDL was unchanged, and triglycerides dropped 22 percent. High triglycerides may raise the risk of heart disease.


While the volunteers' total amounts of LDL, the bad cholesterol, did not change much on either diet, there was evidence that it had shifted to a form that may be less likely to clog the arteries.

No single study is likely to change minds on the issue, especially since an initial weight loss is hard to maintain on any diet. Some answers could come from a yearlong study being sponsored by the National Institutes of Health (news - web sites). That experiment, being directed by Dr. Gary Foster of the University of Pennsylvania, will test the Atkins diet on 360 patients.

In the meantime, the heart association's president, Dr. Robert Bonow of Northwestern University, said the organization will reconsider the Atkins diet as more research results become available.

"Having our top academic centers look at this is wonderful," he said. "We are still dealing with small numbers of patients. We just need more data."

Dr. Sidney Smith, the heart association's research director, said it was a surprise that the Atkins diet did not raise LDL cholesterol. "One small study like this flies in the face of so much evidence. We can't change dietary recommendations on the spot," he said.

Dr. Alice Lichtenstein, a nutrition expert at Tufts University, said she thinks too much is made of the amounts of carbohydrates and fats in people's diets as they try to shed weight.

"There is no magic combination of fat versus carbs versus protein," she said. "It doesn't matter in the long run. The bottom line is calories, calories, calories."

I used Atkins a few years back and shed off a lot of weight.
I might be headed back on the diet to lose another 20 pounds. I am almost at 165 when i moved here I was 145. I can't "wait" any longer i must do the atkins.
Before I pretty much mastered the diet and was still able to cheat on the weekends and lose a few pounds each week
I nearly weighed 190 at one point and my only exercise consisted of walking to and from the buffet table at Pizza hut and Hometown Buffet.

I am lucky latinas don't mind chunky men
Anyone who hasnt tried the Atkins should consider it !

Good Luck
Milkfat

I am currently on the Atkins thing ... I find it invigorating.

The best part is the "eat as much as you want" volume thing. Having the freedom to "gorge" on something like extra bacon at breakfast has meant that most of the other parts that I disliked about diet-maintenance are avoided. I'm no longer woozy or light-headed when I'm managing my weight, and I'm MORE rather than less energized to do my workouts -- I actually WANT to get out there and go for a run! And if I don't, then what do I have to do to improve my attitude? HAVE A SNACK!! WHEEEEE ...

I have naturally very low cholesterol absorption in the first place (my first bilirubin test was so low they sent me home with explicit directions to eat three eggs for breakfast and come back tomorrow). But I suspect that even people with normal cholesterol response won't have all the doom and gloom predictions of death that the established medical community thrust upon Atkins initially (and naturally, with great assertions of empirical evidence being primary in their thought processes, but absolutely no empirical evidence to back up their witchdoctory ... reminds me somewhat of the scaremongering around certain venerally transmitted diseases).

I like Atkins cuz it's not about self-denial. The only thing I really miss are my morning fruit-cups ... I used to have bananas and strawberries (and blueberries in season!) nearly every day, and now I don't get the sweet start, and probably not the micro-nutrients either. (Supplement! You must supplement with multivitamins when on Atkins!) I haven't exactly solved the breakfast riddle -- bacon and eggs doesn't feel right every day.

Another thing that's tricky, but that I don't really mind giving up, is the sugar and caffeine. You have to change your buying patterns a little bit. Iced tea can surprise you, for example, and who's ever heard of "Splenda" brand sugar substitute? And you can lace your decaf Starbucks with loads of creme! Try the "cafe breve" ... mmm creamy. Once you've mastered those minor specifics, it's a piece of ... well, not cake ... pork.

Atkins is very satisfying. I can get that belly-drooping full feeling whenever I want with some nitrate-laced beef jerky , but moreover I don't want it in the same way -- often, big glasses of water or decaf diet soda suffice to droop the belly properly. Likewise, my appetite decreased quite naturally, to the point that I no longer want a double-serving of a full Hooter's-sized bucket just to fill me up.

Basically, I'm amazed at how "natural" it feels, after about the second day. I absolutely loathe potatoes, grits, and other "empty" carbs now, and I didn't really have any attitude about them beforehand. They just departed right out of my taste-bud preferences, all on their own.

Also, the fat has started to shed. In 16 days of Atkins I've lost about 4 or 6 pounds or so ... haven't actually used a scale, but I have seen the belly tighten and a few of the wrinkles of my tool-shed disappear. These are the bottom "vanity pounds," for I am only marginally overweight -- goal is to lose 15 lbs maximum, at which point I should appear emaciated. Exercise purists say those are the most difficult pounds to shed, but I haven't really had much trouble. Just started the Atkins and watched it happen.

I'll keep the board apprised if something goes haywire. I had been running, most of the Spring and early Summer, but then it got too hot here in Florida. Now that it's cooling down again Atkins has helped me kick-start myself back into running quite naturally, as I said. I still find most exercise mentally unchallenging, and yet don't enjoy soft-core team sports (at least, of the public kind ...), so finding exercise options is frustrating. Competitive sports are great for kids, but I'm getting to where any team that allows my age-group is a "let's get drunk after the game, what game?" type of team. So I still haven't solved that riddle either.

Anyone else doing Atkins?

Men dieting!! The feminization of man continues ... next thing you know guys will be plucking and shaping their eyebrows and shaving their genitalia ... oops, Lakers already does that ...

-Superman-

Hey, I shave my nuts, and the chicks in Brazil love it (had a few even comment: "I like your shave", lol)...

I was on Atkins for about a year, and it is amazing how effective it is. I find though, that the first 3 days to 2 weeks can be VERY tough however, as your body adjusts to the new regimen. Bad breath, a terrible taste in the mouth, burning eyes, sensitive skin, constipation and headaches were all side effects for me initially.

Once I was fully in ketosis and my body was on track to convert proteins to energy (much slower process than converting carbs) I did feel more energetic, without any of the noticeable post-meal slumps...

I agree that it is imperative to supplement, there is no way you will get all your vital nutrients from a diet so heavy in meats and fats...you also must drink a TON of water...with so much sodium in a lot of meats and cheeses, you really need to flush your system constantly...try to avoid the prepackaged meats and sausages, as the nitrates and nitrites in these are terrible for you in the long run (colon cancer anyone?)

The only problem with Atkins, I found, is a lack of variety. Beyond a certain point, you become sick of the same textures and the same savoury flavors...the minute you drop off of atkins, you can expect to gain the lion's share of your weight back, so be forewarned...

Another really helpful habit to get into is using keto-stix or some other brand of ketone strips (used by diabetics to measure blood sugar in urine) to insure that you are in, and stay in, ketosis. This is the actual metabolic process (binine dietary ketosis...a safe imitation of what severe diabetics experience) that causes your body to feed on your stored fat for energy...

Rexxx,

You seem to understand a goodly amount of the under-the-scenes stuff. Can you post a more complete explanation, or at least give us all some links to explanations? Especially in light of the recent announcements that all the independent studies seem to have thrown their hands up and said, "Well, looks like it works, and it won't kill you any faster!"

Thanks,

Dem Gnomes

Thanks for the compliment, but the majority of my post was based on my personal experience with the diet, so YMMV...unlike most folks who just "go on atkins", I actually read two of atkins books and took copious notes before going on the diet...I also consulted my doctor and went thru a rigorous battery of tests, including a complete blood work-up and physical, prior to, and during my time on atkins...any time you are doing such radical things to your body, I think you should do your homework first...most of what I wrote about is available in Dr. Atkins books...let me know if there is something specific you had a question about, and I will try to answer it...hope that helps...

Personally, I read his books and website before "going on" as well, but I didn't find the initiation of Atkins-onset-meal-behavior LOL to be that radical. It was very similar to what I was already eating, just MINUS the crap-carbs. I still go to ribfest and Boston Market, I just skip the potatoes.

The website is quite comprehensive, and offers all the info that you usually have to buy the book to get. I guess they make their money off of mail-in grocery orders.

http://www.atkinscenter.com/

My biggest worry now, is when I start to "go off of" the low-carb regime. Everyone I know has suggested that I will gain all my weight back. Why is this? Is the lost weight somehow more recidivist? LOL If I actually stay active and healthy, is there any reason I should regain weight lost by Atkins any faster than weight lost by any other method -- starvation, influenza, whatnot?

Good info, guys, thanks.

BG,

Now I am the student and you are the master ...

(sound of a distant gong...)

The reason most weight comes back is that the eating pattern you have is what drives your weight. If you don't change the eating patterns, or change the metabolic rate, you go back to where you were.

OTOH, if you change what or how much you eat, or if you go ahead and start exercising (esp. strength training) you'll have a different metabolic consumption, and so different results.

(FWIW: Strength training, by which I mean what you think I mean -- sweaty guys with "big iron", is hideously effective at increasing your metabolism because big muscles burn more food. The best thing is the biggest thing, so squats, legs, torso, then arms. Running/jogging, which also works the legs hard, fits in here, too.)

OK, Dem Gnomes, you answered my question about the "recidivism" inherent in Atkins. I don't think I personally will have large problems as I nudge back into carbo-consumption, for several personal specific reasons. But I do now understand why many people, perhaps mostly inexperienced with personal fitness or lifestyle health management, might actually see detriment from Atkins after the initial easy benefits ...

Because it's NOT a lifestyle change. Makes perfect sense.

For me, familiar as I am with exercising, and also only slightly overweight (it's mostly a vanity issue, not a health issue) from a short period of excess carbo's and excessively under-exercising after a long period of excellent weight maintenance and health, the Atkins solution is near ideal. It puts me back where I used to be quite directly. The rest of the puzzle -- regular exercise; larger muscle-mass on my body in the first place; rapid metabolism; a "lifestyle" of not gorging on beer / pizza / wings -- is all already in place, as long as I continue to do my pushups and laps.

I think I can give up the home fries forever. It's the bread pudding at Christmas I'm looking forward to, just once in a while.

I went to the doctor a few moons ago and the doctor told me Atkins is perfect for tuff guys that had a decent build in thier youth and gained weight over the years. I cannot remember the exact term he used but it was something like normal weight to height frame.
He told me it should work for me at that time i was about 45 pounds overwieght and lost nearly all that in about 6 months and stayed on the diet off and on for almost 1 year.
I did eat a lot of wings which had zero carbs and flooded them with blue cheese.
I will give you my diet while i was on the Atkins
For breakfast I had eggs with Bacon or sausage with Decaf coffee with cream

Lunch I would have hearty portion of salad or sometimes tuna and sometimes both

For dinner I would have Wings on the weekend and during the week lots of chicken cooked every friggin way possible ! Only once a week i would have red meat even though you can eat as much as you want I left the Red meat to a minimum.

I never really got sick of the same foods but for the first week or 2 it was very hard not to fill my fat face with carbs which is in tons of food.

It was funny cause in the beginning of the diet i didnt shit for like 3 or 4 days i got scared but then i noticed a change in my bathroom habits. Sorry to gross anyone out but they do tell you that you may have constipation at the start of the diet.
i always checked my diet with those wacky strips you buy and piss on.

After losing a bunch of weight within just a few months a lot of my friends noticed the loss and you can tell in the pictures from last year that I no longer had a chubby face and i could see my small dick again !

Of course when i got out here I couldnt hold the diet

After the holidays i will go back on it full blast to lose another 30 pounds

good luck
Milk

How did you have wings without carbs? I thought that they would be fried or barbecued, hence either (a) the barbecue sauce or (b) the breading would be carboholic?

Wings are not normally breaded,

They are either baked and then dipped in a combination of butter(no carbs) and hot sauace(no carbs) or deep fried in grease(no carbs) and then dipped in the butter/hotsauce(no carbs) mixture. Lots of fat and zero carbs,which is the whole idea behind Atkins diet. No flour, bread, rice, potatoes, pasta etc.

One of the popular snacks on this diet is fried pork skin, also jerky. I use to make deviled eggs and eat to my hearts(trying to be funny) content.

IT REALLY WORKS!!!

My cholesterol which has never been high actually went down when I was on this diet. Also you appetite seems to drop dramatically after a couple of weeks.

Side effects are supposedly kidney and liver stress.

Book guy
everything that Ben said

Milky

Yeah, some people experience kidney problems (especially if predisposed to them) because protein metabolisis affects the kidneys (keep in mind, you are recreating a binine version of ketosis, which is what severe diabetics experience, and this can result in their death due to renal/ kidney failure)...don't wanna scare anyone, but that's the science behind the scare...since the liver plays a large part in how fat is metabolized, atkins puts a bit of extra strain on the liver as you shed your lard...once things balance out though, most people have not exhibited any long term damage...just stay away from synthetic proteins which are REALLY bad for your kidneys, and take your supplements to insure good organ health in general...

Biggest problem with this diet is you usually put it back on when you stop. A good excersize program and then salads will help.

My biggest problem is the cerveza

doesn't miller have that low carb gimmicky light beer now?

I think the reason people including myself put weight back on is centered around the refrig. You start eating carbs and you still eat bacon, cheese,heavy cream, butter,salid dressings,etc.
I really think that a two stage diet would work the best. Atkins till you burn out, then low fat with lots of fruits and veggies till you burn out then back to Atkins again,etc. Stay on one then the other but don't mix. Keep two shelves in the frig for low carbs and one for lo-fat.

Rexxx - Michelop has their new Ultra beer out. At 2.6 grams per bottle, it is great to be able to slam more than one or two and not worry about the gut. I've been drinking them now for 3 or 4 months, and have still managed to loose weight while doing so.

Ben & Kink - I've made every effort to limit my fat intake to healthy fats. Avocado is an excellent natural fat that is good for you. Many groceries sell a guacamole dip in the refrigerated section that makes a great salad dressing.

My version of Atkins says:
1. Eat all the carbs you want for breakfast, then try to avoid carbs the rest of the day.
2. Make your morning carbs be healthy, ie fruit and fresh fruit juices
3. One or two days each week you should load up on clean carbs to prevent your body from going into ongoing full blown ketosis.
4. Avoid focusing on foods that are high in animal fat.
5. Do not eat after 8 pm.

I must tip my hat to GCL for much of the carb advice. He's perhaps one of the most disciplined diet control guys I've ever met.

By following these general rules, I've been able to maintain my college weight for some time. Now if I could only maintain my college libido levels

People seem to be using the term "ketosis" for what I had understood would be more correctly termed "ketoacidosis." Ketosis is not a toxic state -- it simply means, you're buring fat rather than sugar, producing ketones (which appear in your urine, and render the p.H. testing strips purple) as a by-product. Ketoacidosis is a bad condition often experienced by diabetics, seldom experienced by Atkins participants, in which you are inappropriately burning bodily stores (of protein from muscles, probably) rather than digestive stores of fuel, probably due to a lack of appropriate levels of insulin in the bloodstream.

Hence, as I understood it, ketosis = goal of Atkins program. Ketoacidosis = bad condition with confusing name, not created by Atkins program.

Is there someone out there who can give a definitive answer?

PS - am delighted about the wings. To Hooters I go!

binine dietary ketosis is the metabolic state that atkins tries to achieve...it is essentially, a "safe" version of ketoacidosis from my understanding...

As a general rule, I recommned guys interested in getting leaner limit their carbs to under 30 grams a day--and eat them in the morning. Get your calories from meat (4 calories per gram) and fat (9 calories per gram). THen on weekends lower fat intake and carb load with low glycemic index foods--eat oatmeal, rice, sweetpotatos. I recommend one cheat meal a week, but do it on a high carb day. If you eat 4 or 5 times a day you should feel full, and probably lose. Try not to eat after 8 pm--and at night is the only time you might feel hungery (try sipping hot tea to fight the hunger). YOu can tweek this once you found what works for you.

If you are going to do some cardio, you will see best results in the morning before breakfast. And speaking of that, eat breakfast. Noone cares of you are hungry--eat your meals to see results. Skipping breakfast causes the metabolism to slow, and additional leaves you vulernable to eating potato chips or some other garbage.

Rexx: By "binine" do you mean "benign" or "binary"? Sorry, not to correct yer grammar, I hate sticklers, I'm just not sure we're communicating. Thanks.

If you do mean "benign", then I agree, that's what ketosis is. But just don't confuse it for ketoacidosis.

GCL: I totally agree. Excellent advice all 'round! That's pretty much what I'm trying to do.

Could you give more pointers on how to figure out which of the carbohydrates are low-glycemic as opposed to high? I can't quite figger it out for myself yet, and it's a pain in the ass to keep having to look stuff up by pulling a chart out every time I go to a restaurant ...

sorry, benign...it was early...what the hell is "binary" dietary ketosis? Is that the R2-D2 low carb robotic diet or something, lol...

After the holidays I will go back on the diet for a few months.
My goal is to shed another 15 20 pounds

Good Luck guys on the diet
Milkman

EAT LESS, EXERCISE MORE. Perhaps the simplest concept in all the universe, yet apparently one of the hardest to grasp ...

-Superman-

Two types:

1. Shit more than you eat - Lose weight

2. Eat more than you shit, Gain weight

Wisdom of a Type-2 kind of guy

Superman
I agree with you but I cant stop eating
If I do get another 20 pounds shed off my John Candy size ass i will eat less and exercise more
The other week Me and Ootie hit the Pizza Hut buffet and between the 2 of us cleaned out the table !
And for exercise I home and pulled it
I can bench about 40 pounds with someone spotting for me

Are you going to the Xmas fiesta ?
Take care
Milky

Milkman/Sr. Guapo

Where does Pizza Hut still have a buffet? There use to be lots of places but many have closed - I know of one on Mira Mesa.

As to 'Lose the Gut', I've had a similar experience to your 11/23 post and have done Atkins. The first two days are the hardest and then, after seeing results, you want to keep on it. I ate a lot of canned tuna, good deli meat slices, and cheese sticks. It's too hard to give up great foods like pizza and pasta so I've found that I limit my breads a lot and excerise more.

Yes, eat less, excersise more is the best advice.

So, is anyone able to help on the subject of "glycemic"? Which sugars and carbs are bad / high-glycemic, and which are good / low-glycemic? Is there a good rule of thumb, or any particular concept that will make it clear how to distinguish among glycemicness?

Hi
Its in national City
We went on a holiday and the place was so packed that there was a line of fat bastards out the door waiting for a table no lie !
Yes the first few days are the hardest. The scary part is when you do not shit for a while
That must be the shitty part of the diet ?
On the diet I was a 23 pound salad master during the day and a 15 a wing eating master at night

Good Luck
Lechero

I'm assuming the National City Pizza Hut he is referring to is the on Sweetwater just west of the 805. This place seems to always be filled with screaming brats, but the buffet is decent - lunch only, I believe.

Bookguy,
You can look up an index online, or buy a book. Personally, I avoid bread, battered food, carrots, potatos, chips, sugar. The carbs I eat during the week are from 1/2 a grapefruit and green vegetables. On weekends I eat lots of healthy carbs like oatmeal, rice, Yams. Good luck.

Hippie
you hit the head right on the nail !
We couldnt beleive it there was like 20 different groups of kids from some sports league and a huge Bday party going on.
I tripped a few of them as they ran towards the buffet table thats just the kind of guy I am
As they brought out 3 or 4 pizzas they were gona within seconds -no lie.
There was a line at the buffet table just to get the new pizzes coming out.- lol

Take care
Milkman

First off there is no diet solutions or Gut reducing majic. anyone who really want to lose a gut or lost weither whatever needs to study the tried and true results of bodybuilders. Hit the gym,do some cardio type excercise and study the effects of food. Its all about self-discipline and if you don't have it you'll just keep putting on weight for the rest of your life. The effects of food take time to understand. but in the end you and your body will benefit.

I use a program called Dietpower to track all my calories and nutrients. This program also keeps track of calories expended during exercise. You can set a target date for a goal weight and the program will tell you how many calories you need to eat each day. It's a great motivational tool and you can download a trial copy it at Dietpower.com. I've used this program for the past three years and now it's a daily habit. Keeping a log is a good way of keeping you conscious about what you're putting in your mouth. This program makes it easier to do that.

I love it when I go to TJ and the chicks ask me, "Are you a stripper?" That keeps me motivated to stay on my diet and exercise program (Yeah, I'm probably gong to get flamed for this comment. But they ask me that on EVERY trip. Or maybe they say that to everybody as some sort of line.)

Cantinflas,

I believe you and thanks for the Dietpower.com

I am really sloppy right now as i have not been doing any excersize for the last nine months.

I need to lose 35 pounds and I am starting my first workout tomorrow. About two years ago I lost 20 lbs in three months by just slightly cutting down on my intake of calories, but was up to 45-60 minutes per day on a stationary bike and 30 minutes of weights 3 times a week. Felt great and my sexual stamina was significant for a guy almost 60.

It does require a lot of self discipline.

Update to the lose-the-gut routine. A. My willpower disappeared over several trips to New Orleans during the holidays. That's OK, I'd planned for that. Largely, Atkins and similar carbo-busting plans aren't at odds with Cajun / Creole, which includes a lot of meat and seafood, so I wasn't as far off the diet as if I'd been on a calorie-counting plan alone. I always get more exercise on vacation, because I leave the car in a different city and take public or walk everywhere.

B. Some excellent meal-replacement bars. 1. Atkins bars. They aren't half-bad, no really! 2. Myoplex Carb Solutions and / or Low Carb bars. The raspberry or strawberry coated with chocolate, and the apple-cinnamon-spice, are both excellent tasting (to me ...). Be careful, either Carb-Sol or Lo-Carb is actually quite high in sugars -- read the label, I can't remember which is which, but they're slightly misleading because of the two different lines by the same company.

Hello. This is my first post on this board. I really didn't expect it to be about dieting, but this was extremely topical for me, as I just started the Atkins diet on Sunday. Bread and Coffee. That's what I miss. Interesting to read your experiences with the diet here. So far, I have not taken any supplements, in a bout of Homer like thinking, I figured I could put that money towards Hobbying!

Make sure you keep track of your keatone levels.
Atkins talks about it in the book. Too high will cause kidney damage!

Lucky
You can have decaf
I used top dwink lots of Decaf while on the diet and i was fine

Milk

Thanks Milkster. I hate decaf, or thought I did, until I found a brand that's delicious. It's called Lavazza, an Italian coffee. Three times the price, but worth it.

Atkins wings question. I read here that some guys ate a lot of chicken wings when they were on the Atkins diet, and I've tried to find a wing-house around here that would make that possible. But they all seem to have sugar in their sauce. Is there something I don't know about this? Also, generally the blue-cheese dressing that they offer has sugar in it, too. That's not Atkins! Thanks for any advice ... so far, the only eat-out options I've figured out are to remove the bun from very dry McDonald's burgers, or to have a steak. Other suggestions?