What should I use to wrap my Viagra cut pieces? Saran wrap?

I've always used Saran wrap and then put the wrapped pieces in a mini zip lock bag. (you know the kind they use for jewlery at the wholesale shops?)


SE

Only 1 ziploc bag, two or more and you have a sales beef. ha ha.

Interesting.......

I never knew the little "blue devil" itself would go "limp" if you cut it in two! If you split a 100mg pill, how long before the other half goes "limp"?

Billy,

To be honest, I don't really know. I've cofirmed that the medication does oxidize, and if this is like most oxidation processes, there are LOTS of variables. (heat, humidity, surface exposure, etc.) So, as always, YMMV.

In my mind, it's just a case of minimizing the amount of air that can get to the open surface. Wrapping it seems like the easiest way to do that.


SE

I went to some local quack that advertises Viagra $4.95 a dose for 50 mg two years ago before a party vacation i went on.The doctor charged a consultation fee and the $4.95 doses were actually 100 mg cut in half.Using it to speed recovery for multiple sessions some of the several i had left sat in the pill bottle for about a year cut in half and unwrapped.I had not heard of them losing effectiveness before and the doctor never mentioned this.After i discovered redsnake then tj i used them up in mexico.possibly they were less effective than they could have been but they seemed to work fine to me.I'm sure it's still best to wrap them if you cut them but i doubt if they are going to dud out in the matter of hours or one day.
just an observation.
Taxibob

I buy the 50mg..they are individually wraped in a sealed phizer package...i swallow one..and i have problem free hard ons for 4-5 hours...that time is all i need to spend mongering for one evening. The Cost: $11.50...during the evening i fuck 5-6 girls spending about $275-$300 on the girls fees. The next evening i pop another Viagra from it's sealed package...i never have to worry about it going bad. The Point: $11.50 is a small price to pay considering the fun you will have without worring about if the 1/2 100mg you just swallowed is working because its been cut for 10 hrs etc. Im glad to see guys saving money and getting deals on V...but just spend the $11.50 and have the peace of mind that it's fresh and gonna work everytime...so you can focus on what it's all about...boneing the hotties. Consider this..you are saving about $4 by doing this with each pill..thats a pack of ciggaretes, #1 bigmac meal, etc...compare those items to the visualization of your dick in a hot chica..then you will realize how trivial saving $4 is.

Actually, counterpoint to your suggestion (which I like), is those of us that have prescriptions from Kaiser have to receive the 100 mg size and they cutely hand you a pill cutter when they first fill your prescription.

I would prefer that they issue the same total quantity of blue pills in 50's. But they don't. They are the ones saving $4 per pill.

5-6 times. Cool. You really know how to sport fuck. I usually run out of money after 3.

El Cabrio..ok i understand now. I wasn't aware that the insurance companies are telling you guys to get the 100mg. Hmmm...in that case i have a bunch of small airtight baggies that you can put your V into. These were made for that purpose..you can buy them at any head shop.

I recently shopped for V in TJ, but couldn't find it cheaper than $12.50 for 100 mg. One pharmacist told me that they are awaiting the release of the generic viagra which will go for $10. Has anybody else heard that, and is there any evidence that it is true?

$12.50-$10.00= $2.50= a candy bar and a pack of gum!...lol

Pocket change brother!..not worth the stress IMHO
focus on the chicas.

But then...again, I'm the last Monger to give financial advice...so take my thought with a grain of salt.

If you find it for $12.50 your probably getting as good as deal as it gets without going quantity.Last week i wasn't given the luxury of shopping around time and paid over $16 for one.

Never took viagra before...so from what I read take 50mg? How long before it starts to work?

Sayhey, If you have erectile dysfunction I would maybe take 50mg, but if you just take it to enhance your performance and give you a sure woody, than I would recommend to start with 25 mg. There is no 25 mg pill, so you need to cut a 50 or 100mg pill.
When I first took one, I bought a 50 mg pill and broke it into half. Since the pill is not scored this is pretty difficult. Since the 50 mg pill is about $10, but the 100 mg only $12 I now get the 100mg pill and cut it into 4 pieces. That is even more difficult and can only be done at home with a sharp knife or pill cutter.
Be aware once you broke them, you need to keep then in a good wrap, since air makes the V oxidate and the pill turms bad.

On a second note: if you have headaches like migraine V can give you a lot of trouble, also if you have high blood pressure or heart disease you can get trouble. Be careful with it, once in mx you can't rely on good medical help!

Controlled highblood pressure is not a big problem. Read Pfizers info on the link below. They do make 25, 50 and 100mg tabs but they may not carry the 25's. Even Kaiser, with a prescription gives you the 100's and a pill cutter. Wrap the pieces in Saran wrap so they do not oxidize.

Here is the current link to Pfizer’s pharmacology information. Be sure to read both the "For the Consumer" and "For Healthcare Professionals" before evaluating your own risk if you want to try this without a real prescription from
your doctor.

http://www.viagra.com

Here is a picture of a couple of pill cutters:

Here is the Kaiser pill cutter in action at Hotel Caesar. I actually cot a good 50/50 cut lining the pill up as shown. However, I get very uneven results pill to pill with the same or different brand cutters.

I've got a perscription from my doc, I asked for 100's cause they cost exactly the same at Vons pharmacy. 10 for $95.

It was fairly easy to ask the doc for them. He did do a testostorone test (his idea) but gave me the perscription right away and a sample of 5 50mg.

Sometimes they work, I AM SUPERMAN, sometimes they don't, I'm just an old dude with a semi.

Thanks for the info guys. I don't have an erectile dysfunction, but I was just thinking of being able to last longer than I do now even though that's not a problem necessarily. So, you recommend only 25 mg and how long does it take to kick in? Sometimes they work and sometimes they don't????

Sayhey
In a bind you can bite the viagra while it still is packaged in the plastic.It will probably break into between 3 and 8 pieces but just take what you like out of the package and use the rest later..If you are on a fuckfest mission like many of us longer distant mongers seem to be you may be stopping back for some more pieces for help with multi sessions in one day.Sometimes one doesn't have saran wrap and pill cutters handy.
Viagra always seem to cause my stomache to acid up but last year on redsnake there was a discussion thread which spoke of a common over the counter stomache pill"Cimetedine" extending the effects of viagra since it competes with Viagra for elimination from your body.
I always take cimetedine pills with viagra and it seems as if it may make the effects last somewhat longer but not anything like all day long.At least now i skip the churning gut action.
Did any one else test this out?

They say an hour before but that may be for the erect Dysfunctionals that they were made for.I have seen results in as little as twenty to twenty five minutes.Where it really seems to help is with heading into round two(or three).

I use Viagra with Cimetedine and notice the identical result. Increased duration of effect but not the mother of all hard-ons. I use less Viagra and am cautious on upping for another piece (interpet that as you want - I guess it can have more than one meaning, both correct).

Very good memory TB - word for word!

EC

Does Viagra increase desire? Me,I'm good for one shot and then I want to go home,which is ok cause I can go back the next day,but sometime I'd like to stick around and maybe Viagra would help?

Viagra doesn't really increase desire. It does increase your ability to deliver on round 2 or 3, especially on day 2 or 3. You will not produce more sperm, you will not be hornier, but you will be a little more confident about things and will be able to sustain a better hard on longer. I think that it also delays ejaculations a little. It seems to affect different people differently and booze does reduce the effect. I take a little over 25 mg. (I don't drink) and have noticed effects within 15 minutes. I don't take it very often and I believe there is a danger of psychological dependence. I don't think guys under 40 need it, but what the fuck do I know.

LOL. Alright Bushpilot,thanks,thats what I wanted to know,good info.I'm over 40 {physically anyway}mentally I've been accused of being anyware from 12 to 18,but thats another story. Anyway,funny things have been happening to Senor Panocha Jr. lately and I don't want him to miss out on anything that might help him find happiness,be it a little blue pill or a nice soft wet place to stay. THANKS!

I don't think viagra (25 to 50 mg) increases desire but it increases reaction to females, performance as in duration and wood quality.
If you want to impress ladies:
1. try peanut butter for semen volume, somehow some chicas enjoy checking condom after cum shot and see how they avoided your babies. Takes several days to take effect.
2. try Horny Goat weed for superior wood quality (like being 17 year old again or 21).
If horny goat weed in short supply, try Yohimbe Bark.
If both in short supply, try Gingko biloba and Ginseng.
I'd say Horny Goat weed is the sure thing. But Gingko Biloba helps your brain cells as well which is useful once in a while.
Finally with viagra, all a chica has to do is touch my arm or make me smell her perfume and I get an erection.

PMan,

Horny Goat Weed ? What the fuck is Horny Goat Weed ? Where do you find Yohimbe Bark and Horny Goat Weed ?

Those hard on reactions you describe are why I am a little carefull with Viagra. I was in AB one night and a really nice chica asked me to dance and I didn't dare get out of my chair for fear of ripping my pants. Straight to the room.

BP

BP

Yohimbe Bark you can get it from your regular vitamin and herb provider. It comes from a tree in Africa. It is called the natural viagra, it game me a stronger woodie, take it only the day of activities.
Horny Goat Weed available at specialized vitamins store which sell those vitamins for exercise. I have a good web site for cheapest horny goat weed, I'll email it to you if interested.
I'd say I prefer HGW, it contains also some Maca.
Never try both at same time as how hard can you get? Ah to be young again. Same thing with HGW, take it 90 mn before exercise.

PMan,

Yeah, e-mail the HGW site. I don't see how I can get by without it.

BP

BP,

You horny ol' goat!

PMAN,
Where did you hear that peanut butter increases your load volume? I read a statement from Peter North(porn star) theres a pollen(ceritan, I think it's called) from europe that has the same effect. Saw Palmentto and Zinc is also good for for male health. Yohomibe works...guys at my gym use it for all kinds of reasons. Horny goat weed is becoming popular.

Quinoa (Pronounced kwen-wa) is a So. American seed that increases sperm production.

The seeds are kind of hard. If you eat some dry (like baked in brownies) they will pass on through as hard seeds. It can be microwaved with twice as much water, to an oatmeal consistency. I got best results cooking it in milk in the microwave and then mixing the cooked seeds into brownie mix. After a couple of days it seems to double sperm production. Health food stores may have it with their organic grains, etc.

I have tried peanut butter with no noticable effect.

I want the HGW address too!

EC

Salsa Boy
The peanut butter thing is not scientific, I had just met this gringa a couple of years ago and a work buddy told me jokingly to remember to eat my peanut butter. So that's how I tried PB, it works but after a few days, cum shot has more volume.
I will email people the url, i just did a search and used the cheapest place, which also had maca btw.
Stores sell HGW at regular price as well as web sites except for the one I used.
I read somewhere in vitamin web site, Yohimbe Bark is not to be used on a daily basis. I'll probably stick with HGW, Ginseng and Gingko Biloba.
PB is fattening so I take it once in a while when I feel like impressing in my mind my fav.
But HGW and V, chicas will be impressed no doubt.

I have not noticed any positive effect from Yohimbe, and I've taken the pure extract. Perhaps YMMV. I did notice a significant difference with Horny Goat Weed. I've also tested pure Maca powder combined with Gingko for Gingko's ability to circulate the herbs throughout the body as well as the positive brain effects and acheived good results, but it took a few days to a week to build in the body.

Ginseng's effects vary greatly depending on the grade or source. Not only are there different grades (fresh ginseng is BY FAR the best in my experience), but the effects will vary by where it is grown. Ginseng can vary from powerful roots that sell for thousands of $$$, to the ineffective cheap stuff in bottles on store shelves. Fresh root from my local herb store provides the best effect for sexual results for me.

Zinc has helped, but not as dramatically as HGW. I find it helps with regards to faster recovery time for round two. Also, if you're sexually active, make sure your protein intake is adequate to meet the demands you place on your body. All these things have helped me to this point. I've never needed viagra and don't feel the need with my herbal supplements, and I'm no spring chicken anymore.

Celtics

Hey all this stuff about herbal suppliments and I never see listings of contraindications or pharmacology info...since this stuff is often classified as a food or something instead of a drug the laws are a little more lax about what they put in their advertising, ESPECIALLY the BS you see on the 'net. Hope you guys are doing your homework.

As for the peanut butter thing, I tried that...smeared it all over myself, other than the weird stains it left in my underwear (hard to explain to chicas) it did feel pretty good.

That's an excellent point you make about being careful. I can't speak for anyone else, but I'm in excellent health and the herbal "tonics" that we're discussing have had powerful effects on my body such as building energy, better health, not to mention increased sexual energy, desire, stamina, hardons in the morning, etc... However, herbs are not generally as strong or fast acting as medicine.

I would highly recommend anybody see a doctor skilled in herbal medicine if you have health concerns and want to take herbs. The above herbs are generally pretty safe, but check with an herbalist or Chinese doctor to see if genseng, gingko, or other tonics are appropriate for your needs. A Chinese doc once told me, for example, that you shouldn't take ginseng when sick. I would think some mongers have more serious health concerns than a simple cold, so it is always good to consult with a medical doctor for medicine like viagra and a qualified alternative medical practioner like a doctor of oriental medicine for herbs. If appropriate for a mongers health condition, herbal tonics can be very effective.

Celtics

hmmm...interesting
I went to GNC with a list of some of the recommended herbs listed in this thread.
The girl at the counter pointed me towards a bottle of "herbal viagra"...I cant believe they make this stuff! But after comparing the ingedients, I found that all of the recommended herbs were represented in this fine supplement. And it seems that its cheaper than buying each herb seperatly.
Side Note: A lady friend of mine makes her b/f drink pinnapple juice religiously, she claims it sweetens the taste of his load...this sounds stupid to me...but have you guys heard this before?!

I've never heard that pineapple juice sweetens the cum shot, but have heard that peanut butter does. And you don't even need to mix the two in a bowl.

Im sorry but I can't help but LMAO at the thought of eating pints of peanut butter or smearing some peanut butter on my shlong hahaha. Let alone consume a herb called "Horney Goat Weed" hahaha.

Thats some funny shit!

Anyways I think I will just be content with my Viagra...it's better than getting a bellyache from all that stuff...and i bet it cost less than all that stuff combined into a peanut butter and herb sandwich.

I got a Rx from my doctor ($10 for the visit) and filled 5 100 mg pills at Priority Pharmacy for $42.90.
The pharmacy charges a onetime member fee of $15, but is cheaper than every other pharmacy.
http://www.prioritypharmacy.com/index2.asp
1-800-487-7115
You can fax the Rx to them and do everything over the phone.
On you first buy it comes to $ 11.58 for 100mg or 13.58 with the doctors copayment.
On repeat visits it is $8.58 for 100mg.
I have not found 100mg for under 12,50 in TJ recently.

Yes, a prescription and health plan is the way to go. You are only paying your heath plan's co-pays; not market rates.

Mine is Zero co-pay with the doc. $5 for the script. 4x100 to be cut in to two; so 8 50's every 30 days. For $5 out of pocket. But I had to ask several docs in the same health plan. The chic doc's were actually MORE understanding!.

EC

Great discussion, guys! Very interesting. There is a mixture of myth and fact here, and I'd like to shed some light. I have a Ph.D. in pharmacology, and allow me to list some medically oriented items about Viagra:

--Viagra peaks in the bloodstream 30-60 mins post ingestion. Viagra has linear pharmacology (meaning blood levels are directly proportional to the drug's actions), so accordingly, that is also hardon primetime.

--Viagra is cleared significantly two hrs post ingestion, meaning you'd better ring the bell by then. Supposedly, Viagra's effects are good for up to 4 hrs, but don't count on it. That figure is EXTREMELY optimistic.

--Taking Cimetidine (Tagamet) 800 mg the same time as a Viagra decreases the clearance of Viagra (both drugs, actually) because they both compete for the same "drain" in the livers metabolic pathway called the P-450 cytochrome system. This is good in that Viagra blood levels are increased 58% higher with Viagra/Cimetidine than with Viagra alone. This is generally a pretty safe practice, drug wise.

--50mg is the ideal dose. You start to get severely diminishing returns after that. Meaning, 100 is better, but not twice as good. On the other hand, 25mg is inadequate and has trouble exceeding its own placebo. Waste of money at that dose.

--Other stuff: ZINC. Very important re: semen volume. Semen is rich in zinc, and every time you cum, you shoot a load of zinc, starting a downward spiral of less and less zinc producing less and less semen, etc. Take zinc, 50 mg a day, very important to maintain semen volume. Men need zinc like women need iron.

--Ginseng, Horny Weed, etc (peanut butter? jesus! . No medical/scientific proof, but I s'pose keep an open mind.

Regards,
Southpaw

Hey guys..

I found you guys here while i was looking for tourist info about a possible donkey show while i was visiting san diego last weekend. gotta say, this is the biggest hoot on the web. hope you don't mind that i've sent the link to other pervie friends of mine so we can live a little vicariously through your exploits. (btw, no zoophile here, just trying to absorb the culture).

anyway, to stay on topic, thought i'd file a consumer report. i tried to find the "fourth" pharmacy referred to by El Cabrio, but wound up going a couple of doors down. To reiterate, after you pass the three pharmacies in a row and turn right to the pedestrian area, you go down the 3-4 steps and the pharmacy there seems to be open more hours. i was priced and bought 4 pills of 50 mg for $40, with no negotiation. the chica pharmacist made a phone call and a nino on a bicycle fetched them in about 60 seconds from some mass viagra distribution warehouse i guess. the package was marked with 503 peso price, which is in the $45 hood, so i got a good price without trying.
i decided to get some more the next morning and they wanted $52 the next morning. it took little convincing that this was "demasiado", and after a phone call, she sold me another packet for $40.

anyhow, kudos to you dudes. i'll make a SG posting later, but i have little to add for the veterans. i can tell the newbies, that the safest i felt in the street was hanging near the street musicians in front of the miami bar. why would ANYONE mug me when there is a much more deserving target in the accordian player?

Regarding herbal medicine, here is a relevant true story.

My former doctor diagnosed High Blood Pressure, high cholesterol and also told me that a pain I had in my gut, combined with my test results and lifestyle indicated a gall bladder problem in the future. I know people who have had operations for this.

A chinese friend of mine was told by his wife that he needed help to make junior and she recommended that he see a chinese herb doctor. He picked is own doc in a different area than where he lives. He got an examination and was prescribed a concoction of herbs, seeds, bark, twigs, and most importantly, shaved deer horn (white ribbons).

He came to work one day and was a new man.
Junior was born some time later. He told me about the herb doctor and suggested I go with him next time and he would get me some of the deer horn stuff. I was intrigued and thought it was worth a try, and I like chinese food in chinatown.

He told the doctor, in chinese, that I was impotent (I was not). I got an examination and was told about my blood pressure, cholestorol (fatty white stuff on the tongue - need more hot fluid and ginger for stomach), etc. I was prescribed a long list of seeds, twigs, shells, bark, etc, etc. And the deer horn (I did not know yet about this). They assembled packets on butcher paper, weighing with hand beam scales. I followed the instructions and boiled the stuff down; each one of the three identical packets was good for two days boiling down to one cup each morning and night. I think it had cinnamon and maybe nutmeg and did not taste too bad with a dollop of honey.

After the first full day of morning and night herb tea, I spent a mostly sleepless night with my wood pointing to the heavens. Lets just say my arms hurt alot. And I felt great.

A couple of years later, the pain in my gut returned. I remembered both my former doctor, and the herb doctor. I went back to the herb doctor. Without me telling him what I thought was wrong, he did his version of a physical and told me I was developing gall stones. And . . . That he could cure it with herbs, and had a big stack of files of successes. I gave him the go ahead, thinking I would try this first before seeking a western science remedy of cut out the "bad organ" and hope that is all they cut out.

It took six packets, not three. All prescribed at the same time and identical. He advised that a repeat of he process might be needed. I cooked the herbs, et al, down and drank the tea. My urine turned very dark for about 10 days. And the pain quickly faded away. I still have my gall bladder.

Western Sciences approach, valid of course, is based on extencive research on isolated compounds and their specific individual effects. Thus Viagra. However, I think there is great value in the ancient and sometimes not so ancient, art of herbal medicine.

This post is too long already, so I will post my observations about yohimbe, maca and HGW later. BTW the concoction did seem to have a positive effect. A different, yet effective, efffect . . . next time . . .

When taking 100 mgs of Viagra the night before, and putting it to good and frequent use, I still wake up (UP) with morning wood. I think the effect does linger, but then 100 mgs may take longer to clear, and there is undoubtably some psychological effect.

50 mg lasts me over four hours but peak is after an hour or so.
Morning wood is different imho, when I get a good lay then a good night sleep, I always wake up with a hard on. Give me an average lay, I probably won't have one in the morning.

I take a cab in from the border and pop 50mg with my first drink at AB. Then I keep taking 50mg every 4 or 5 hours, capping myself at 150mg total for 1 day. Does anyone else "pre-load" themselves or do you take it when you are ready to "strike"?

Billy
I preload sometimes but i also take Cimetidine(Tagamet) with it to extend it.It also stops that Viagra/alcohol stomache churn i tend to get.I had not used as much tagamet as was suggested in southpaws post about seven posts back but will increase the dosage and see if it works even better.
Taxibob

Did viagra for the first time this past weekend in the Zona. Did 50mg. Geez, I was like a f'ing stallion. This stuff is great!!!!!!!!!!

Don't know if it is psychological or physiological, (does it matter?) but regular doses (weekly) of V at the AB has sure brightened my outlook on life. Of course performing like I was 18 again with beautiful women who are 10 to 20 years younger may have something to do with it :-)

I usually buy it at drugs 4 less right across the border, about $13, 100mg, take 1/2 in the cab on the way to the bar.