Nothing too new to talk about now. I am still hovering at 186-188. I woke up this morning at 186. I need to start exercising again. I haven't had much chance to do so the past couple of days.

D'art

why the f are you on the diet ?
Your like J.J. Walker from Goodtimes
Your mocking me ?

I need the diet more than ever now

I am all talk no action

Milkfat

I've been on the <20>> 215.
Some of you are losing it much faster~~~??

JJ? I have a gut. I want to eliminate that, then I don't think I'll have problems maintaining.

I'm down about 10 lbs after 15 days. I'm somewhere between 17%-18% body fat I think. A CC chica was my motivation, she said I wasn't as beautiful as before. She saw me after the 10th day and was impressed. I still have a ways to go, I'm shooting for maybe 13%. I'll probably switch to a regular diet at the end of the month and start weight training, or does anyone think I should train while on Atkins?

BTW, my energy levels seem back up. My workouts weren't as intense at first but I think I've gotten used to the "alternate" energy.

I bought some Carbolite bars (http://www.carbolitedirect.com) and enjoy those a lot. They are basically candy, not meal bars. Net Effective Carbs = 0 and as far as I could tell, they fit well into the Atkins plan. Toffee is really good, I'll try some other flavors soon. I bought mine at Walmart.

On my last trip to Trader Joe's (they are all over the place on the West Coast) I noticed they have greatly expanded their stock of sugarless (low carb) candies, and the prices were quite reasonable. I believe this includes the Carbolite bars.

chomp chomp chomp

Just went for my first long bike ride in about six months. The old bike still works, it's just the legs connected to it that are questionable ...

Day 10 or so of (yet another) Atkins induction plan. I enjoy going to Mr. Gyro and getting a gyro sandwich with all the toppings (or two!) and not eating the bread.

(I think gyro meat would qualify as protein based, don't you? Hmm, the world probably will never know.)

Plateau: ????

I lost 15 lbs on Atkins the first 3 1/2 weeks and only 1.5 the last week. I stayed on induction the whole time.

Ever happen to others?

Book_guy, if you are having the real gyro that is sliced from the brisket then it would have a lot of carbs as that brisk is made from meat, startch, and some lentis. If it is just meat that is grilled (the fake gyro) then it should be OK.

My 2 cents.

Define "from the brisket"? What I'm eating is those oblong slices of meat that they cut off of that huge meat thingamajigger that rotates in its own vertical broiling machine, at Mister Gyro. I think that's a "real" gyro and therefore has starch and carbo? Damn ...

Yup, that is the real gyro. Here are the commom ingridients:
ground lamb, veal & beef (or just beef), Plain bread crumbs (or startch), Gramm lentil (chickpeas lentil), garlic, Thyme, Organo, Basil, Parsley, Salt, Pepper, eggs, and
milk. For commercial use I bet they add more stuff to fluff it up.

JKarp

Had the Atkin's ice cream tonight. It was good...6 carbs.

I have a love for orange chicken. I was out tonight so I figured what the fuck and had some at my favorite chinese fast food place. I had hoped there wasn't enough sugar in the orange sause to knock me out of Ketosis. Boy was I wrong. Bam! Instantly out. We'll see how long it takes now to get back in.

You Atkins boys ought to get yourselves over to FitDay.com, sign up (free) and start recording your meals. I started using it two weeks ago and am astounded at what I've learned. The idea is that you enter what you eat and the site will tell you how much protein, fat and carbs you're consuming. You can also record specialty foods if you have the nutrients listed on the package. It will also give you reports on your progress. If you want to know more, take a look at the FitDay thread. (THREAD? Hell, it's just one post right now.)

For the record, I'm down about 15lbs in about four weeks.

Xenono
you big silly Orange chicken is a Atkins killer
If i am not mistaken just having a few tablespoons of Sugar will throw everything off and its like starting again.

I still havent been on the Atkins again but i have been through a big exercise program and i will see how that does in a few months

Good Luck
Milktuff

That's one thing that I'm finding difficult about the Atkins induction phase ... staying inducted (so to speak). If ONE single serving of, for example, potato salad can ruin THREE WEEKS (twenty days) of planning, you got a weak system.

I need something where I can get into ketosis and not so easily get out of it. Suggestions?

Well, a cup of potato salad contains ~33g of carbs. If you want to stay in induction, you should be aiming for less than 50g carbs per day. It won't ruin your induction if you eat something like fish for the rest of the day (not very likely). You're going to have to cut all the starchy foods (potato, bread, pasta, rice, etc.). It's tough, especially when you try to go out to eat, but after a while, you'll get into the habit.

Instead of potato salad, have a can of tuna with some chopped up fresh spinach mixed with a couple of heaping tablespoons of real mayonaise. Yum!

Guys I just weighed myself and I am at a all time high for my weight while living in San Diego.

I weighed in at 174 !! I am a big phat fuck and now will go back on the atkins diet as soon as i finish off the food I have in my fridge.

When you have a regular girlfriend and a few on the side you really don't care about losing weight but if I dont do something fast I will be a tub of undigested lard.

I will pick up a new copy of the atkins book and should begin in about 2 weeks. Wish me luck !

Milkywholookslikeabeachedwhaleonagoodday

When I lose the extra pounds, am I going to start getting laid? Curious what my payoff will be.

Blood pressure drop ... Whoo hoo!

I've been borderline high blood pressure for a couple of years. At my last checkup back in March, my doc was threatening to put me on meds if I didn't do something about it. That would really suck as I'd no longer be able to use one of my favorite "recreational" drugs (vitamin V). I just got tested today and my BP is wayyyy down. I'm well inside the normal range. I got tested twice because I didn't believe it the first time. Doc Atkins, where ever you are, thanks!

I found the following words regarding Atkins and other low-carb hi-protein diets elsewhere on the 'net, and thought I'd share them. I'll be looking in to the specifics next time I hit a bookstore.

-----start quote-----

Actually... The ketogenic diet isnīt a bad way to go if you want to drop some weight quickly, but Atkins really got a lot of his science backwards...

The guy who will explain how it all actually works is Lyle McDonald - articles available on the web, or get his book at amazon "The Ketogenic Diet" with over 600 scientific studies referenced.

(An easier book on the ketogenic diet is Eades "Protein Power", and they have a better understanding of how the body works than Atkins.)

Lyle has expanded upon the low-carb theories of Dr. Atkins, with an eye toward weight training. He warns that the standard Atkin's style low carb will hurt your weight training after a fairly short period of time as there's not enough muscle glycogen to fuel a strong workout not long after beginning a ketosis-based diet.

The Atkins diet is what Lyle calls a "SKD" - standard ketogenic diet. Lyle's training-geared diets are called "CKD" - cyclical ketogenic diet, or "TKD" - targeted ketogenic diet. CKD is a 5-6 day low-carb diet, followed by 24-48 hours of high carb to refill glycogen stores for the week. TKD is a full time low carb diet, except that extra carbs are taken 30 minutes prior to workouts.


...also ketogenic isnīt the only way to go... many people get good results with the two other big types of diets - zone type isocaloric diets (40/30/30 percent to 33/33/33) or your basic high carb low fat diet. It depends on how you as an individual function. For me personally, the zone diet is the only way to go. I get fat on a high carb/low fat diet and I get nauseous from a ketogenic diet...

There is a GREAT article by Lyle McDonald somewhere outlining the pros and cons of these three main diet types somewhere on the internet (was originally published on cyberpump.com)...

-----end quote-----

So, waddayathink? And, I'm posting elsewhere a new thread regarding home gym equipment. Recommendations?

No doubt that Atkins induction phase is of little import to someone who is doing serious body building; but then, I doubt a serious athlete would need to go into induction. The goal of induction is to drop fat stores, after all.

If you look around, you'll find PLENTY of nay-sayers telling us how the Atkins diet is bad for our health in the long term. Hell, in the long term, we're all dead anyway. All I know is that this is a diet I can live with and it works for me.

Another interesting diet I just stumbled upon is the Neanderthin diet. I don't know much about it other than that the proponents say that it's all about eating what we had 20,000+ years ago (i.e. no refined foods). It's an interesting twist.

I think the no refined food idea ia an excellent idea. That gets you down to fresh fruits, vegetables, eggs and meat, which is obviously a healthy diet.

Gotta have ice cream once in a while tho 8^).

I'm down about 10 pounds on a not so strict Atkins diet. I have stayed completely away from baked goods and cheese.

I lost the initial 15 lbs on Atkins induction, but have found that the final 5 to 10 vanity lbs will not disappear as easily. I think the people who advocate a varied low-carb-hi-protein diet might be on to something, especially since fresh fruits are so obviously healthy in so many other ways. Strawberries are practically the wonder food but illegal on Atkins, for example.

I'm still reading up on it.

I have not noticed a dramatic decrease in weight since I lost the first 10 pounds, going from 200 to 190. The path from 190 to 180 has been much slower. But I am still losing weight. I now hover between 180-185 depending on the time of day I check. I woke up this morning at 182. 180 is another major barrier for me to pass. I still have a month and half, so we'll see if I can stick with it until then and how much I can lose total.

X,

Plateaus happen in every diet. The only way to keep up the rate of weight loss is to eat less and less. Pick a food that you've been eating on a regular basis, stop eating it, and don't replace the calories with something else.

Watermelon is a good filler with almost no calories. Cheap too.

175 is my barrier, I can get there, but going lower is tough.

Good luck!

I just had a checkup after being on Atkins for 54 days. I have lost 27 lbs, but interestingly my Cholosterol is down (156 > 130). He reduced my Lipitor to 10 mg /day. Triglycerides went from 233 to 105. Same for others?

Nonetheless he wants me off the diet after 3 months ...don't know why?

He wants you off it cuz his name ain't "Atkins." He went to traditional medical school ... tell him to think instead of to spout rote memorized remedies.

Watermelon is bad for Atkins dieters! One cup contains 10 grams of carbs! Remember, you can only have 20/day on induction.

Gregory, ask your doctor why a diet that helps you lose weight and lower your cholesterol is bad for you. If he can't back up his reasoning, you may need a new doc.

Alright fellow fatties

My b day just passed and that was the only thing holding up my diet.
Monday starts my Aktins part 2 diet.

I am at a phatty 170 right now 33 1/3 in my fat gut and my goal is to luz 30 pounds in 4 -5 months.

I have sum rekwests for you guise if you pleaze

Write down some of your favorite dishes so i can add sum variety to my diet

I mostly did eggs with cheese and 2 to 3 cups of coffee in the am and salad with 30 pounds of Blue Cheeze for my lunch or Tuna

Nighttime was either chicken , steak or buffalo Wings with 35 pounds of blue cheese.

Also there are very good deals for Real Atkins products on ebay you can get some of them for 1/3 the white people price at GNC

thanks guys
take care
Milkphatty

One more things I fourgot. I had one loser tell me beer really doesnt have that many killer carbs in them so i looked up a carb site for beer and most mexican beer only had like 4 to 7 carbs per bottle. Have any of you guys tested beer out on the diet?

Just Curious
Milky

Beer is bread in a bottle, as far as I know. I recommend hard brown liquors -- scotch, bourbon, moonshine (I guess that's sorta clear, but anyway ...) but not beer, if you intend to try to be ketogenic by limiting carbohydrate intake.

As far as recipes, try bulk breakfast sausage (check the label to make sure it isn't sugared), try chicken wings (no breading please, no sauce with sugars -- bring your own blue cheese dressing!), try steak, pork loin, chicken breasts, and deli-style (no sugar added) peanut butter.

I sometimes dine on sticks of celery, a tub of cream cheese, a plate of smoked salmon or fish spread or kippers or sardines in a tin, some capers, and some peanut butter. No utensils necessary.

From the Atkins website "Alcoholic beverages are also not permitted during Induction; those low in carbohydrates are an option, in moderation, in later phases."

One of my buddies told me this and i did not beleive him. But I guess if you only suck down a few coldies its ok after your unduction phase.

For sugar substitute it does not reccomend Sweet and low and Equal. I bought Splenda which is a little more money but safe and just as sweet.

I am trying to do the 20 grams of Carbs a day now and should be right on track.

I am stunned that none of the diet caffiene free soft drinks are Atkins friendly. They all use Asperteme which is not recomended.

I remember dwinking this stuff on the atkins before and did just fine.

I see in these later addtions of the Atkins books they now have limits on certian foods and such like cream and bacon.

My piss strips should be in tomorrow

take care
milktuboflard

Count carbs? A brew for you

MIAMI — Bored with the world's paltry choices of regular beer, Lite beer, light beer, white beer, wheat beer, near beer, bock beer, alt beer, chili beer, berry beer, garlic beer and ice beer?

Buck up, Bunky. The latest thing is low-carb beer.

Michelob Ultra, recently rolled out in Florida, Baltimore, Chicago and Washington, D.C., is a "smooth, refreshing lager" with 96 calories, 4.1 percent alcohol and a measly 2.9 grams of carbohydrates per 12 ounces. It costs about $4.99 a six-pack.

Compare that with 150 calories, 5 percent alcohol and 5 to 7 grams of carbs for regular beer, or 96 calories, 4.1 percent alcohol and 3.2 grams of carbs for many light beers, or a stunning 240 calories, who knows how much alcohol and 40 grams of carbs for your average Harvey Wallbanger.

What's it like? Well, if light beer isn't light enough in your opinion, this brew's for you, Stu. It's light as a feather. It is, however, nicely crisp when ice-cold, with a rich flavor and a hoppy, if not lingering, finish.

How do they low-carb a beer? Easy. They cook the grain mash longer to break down more carbohydrates into sugars. Those ferment into carbon dioxide, the excess of which giddily bubbles away, leaving only that superb flavor created by the superior ingredients, said Dave Peacock, Anheuser-Busch's vice president for high-end brands.

Still, they're corporately cautious about Ultra.

"We're not after the hard-core dieters," Peacock said. They're just aiming at you exercise-intensive, health-conscious folks who want to count carbs.

Good thing. The Dr. Atkins Web site — which pushes low-carb eating because it says a deficiency of carbs encourages your body to burn fat and lose weight without those annoying hunger pangs — is not kind to beer of any sort.

"Alcohol consumption may increase yeast-related symptoms, such as bloating, gas and cravings for sweets, and can therefore interfere with weight loss," it says. "Beer, which contains yeast, probably has the most yeast-forming components of any alcohol."

Bookguy

I am on a quest to find the most perfect bottle of Blue cheese
I just bought Big Boys Big bottle of Blue cheese and i would rate that a 6 overall.
the taste is fine but not enuff big chunks of blue cheese for me.

i want my blue cheese chunky !!

Any recomendations ? And make sure to read the back some Blue cheese dressing have mnore carbs than others. This one has 1 carb per serving

Also you said soemthing about peanut butter being ok. What kinds ?
i thought Peanuts had carbs in them

thanks for your help
Milktuff

Peanuts do have carbs, and peanut-butter by Jiffy or Skippy has sugar added. But the nuts are OK for a snack, if they're from a deli where all they do is put plain peanuts into a grinder and don't add sugar. In moderation.

I drink the Aspartame diet colas; and I go hog-wild on bacon and sausage. But I manage induction just fine.

My only foray into blue cheese is plain old Kraft dressing, I rate it a 7 out of 10. It's not chunky.

Hansen's diet sodas are made with Splenda and not Aspartame. Check out your local grocery store for Hansen Diet Soda. It has many flavors, but no caffiene, with sucrolose (Splenda). Now there is Splanda hot choclate available as well.

Just add some blue cheese chunks to your dressing, Milkman. Sure, Kraft wants you to eat what they put in the bottle, but nothing stops you from concocting your own mix.

Wonderfully, I have a trip to BKK next month. In the past I drink beer - lot's of it. Can I get decent scotch there?

The stickman report always refers to 'liver wasters'. What are they?

For those on the West Coast, Trader Joeīs is the best place to purchase Hansenīs diet sodas (with Splenda); I particularly like the Cherry and the Tangerine (or Manderin, canīt remember) Lime.

Laguy

What other flavs they got ?
I will check them out this week.

The first day back on this diet was a lot harder than the first time.
I am on my 3rd day and I am just doing fine.
In Tj there is a meat market near my girlfriends house and we bought a bunch of meat and buffalo wings and I chowed down Mexican Atkins style

I hope to be back at 145 or even lower within 3 months

take care
Milky

I suspect ketogenic diets would benefit from "Mexican style", meaning some jalapeno or other hot spices. I don't know all the Atkins rules about spiciness, but I do know garlic, cayenne, and other irritants are mildly thermogenic, and that can't be bad, right?

I've been off Atkins for a while now. I don't think it works well for my particular lifestyle. I occasionally engage in some high-intensity exercise and there was a very distinct difference in my energy levels, it was most noticeable after getting off the diet.

A low-cal diet with exercise seems to be the best for me. The only problem is that it's hard to stick to when traveling and when I get invited out.

Me thinks Dart is just being a big wuss about doing Atkins and looked for an excuse to bow out of the diet.

I, too, have engaged in some high intensity exercise and I think my energy levels are fine. In fact, I find I have more energy when on the Atkins diet.

I was down to 178 this morning. I've been in and out of Ketosis a few times since my last update because I have cheated a few times with the Orange Chicken and a few too many cashews. Weight loss has slowed very dramatically but I knew 180 was a barrier.

Well guys Week one in over
When I got on the diet i weighed in at 173 1/2
I just weighed myself and I am at 169
On the piss strips I am at 30ish reading.
I still need another week for the first part of my atkins diet. My goal is to lose 4 pounds a weak and to be on the diet no more than 3 months. Thanks Wombat I made your little dish but instead of Tuna I used Row-Tiss-a-ree chicken and chopped it up and added Spinach dip, Manaise and blue cheese dwessing along with chopped celerey and it was great.

For potatoe chip alternitives how bout fried pork cracklings ? zero carbs. I bought a bag of hot and spicy but havent tried them out yet

I gotta run now i will add moar l8ter

take care
Milky

The fried pork skin is right up the Atkins diet alley.

Mixed up scramble eggs cooked in butter with cheese and put on the fried pork skin and called me in the morning from the cardiac ward.

I hope to be back at 145 or even lower within 3 months

That's fat girl weight. What are you, about 5'7"? You should be able bulk up nice and carry 170 with ease. Hit the gym and abandon this quack diet where you gain all the weight back as soon as you start eating carbs again.

Enlighten me as to what these piss strips are.

-Superman-

Superman, it ain't a quack diet. Yes, you need to hit the gym ... most North Americans with sedentary lifestyles do ... but ketogenic diets are the most intelligent way to build healthy body fat measurements. If your traditional medical training doesn't recommend it, maybe that's because the textbooks were printed in 1947.

"Superman" gets his protein supplements from Kendricks.

Superman

It took me 3 years to gain back 2/3's the weight and thats eating like a big fat pig ask anybody

I am doing 40 pushups along with 40 situps twice a day now. Next weak I plan to run up my hill and obviously down it since I need to get back home.
Its a good size hill and with the heat I should be able to lose 5 or 6 pound a weak. When I hit my fat girl weight I will work out so I can look like Ari Hoffman from OV7.

My mommy is here now and she says I don't look that bad either but Ben says i look like a fat pig and that hurts my feelings.

Light Beer is ok on the diet on the lifetime maintenance plan. Some light beers only have 3 or 4 carbs a pop and i only dwink 2 to 4 when i go out anyway There are pwenty of places that vende light beer in TJ I just have to swtich bottles so the chicas still think I am a tuff guy

I can't wait to be tuff again
take care guys and keep those suggestions cumming
Milky