You are correct Superman. At least about my bootleg Chinese Cialis, but I never claimed to be in my right mind :D . Notice I didn't list my sources because I don't feel comfortable enough with these sources to recommend it to anyone else yet but I really do believe it is legit or I wouldn't test it myself. The Indian Viagra though is 100 percent legit and made by large reputable multinational pharmaceutical companies. I have as much confidence in the Indian Viagra as I do in Pfizer on that one. As for the Chinese Cialis from shady sources. :D After I receive it I will proceed to test it by obtaining a few cervezas from even shadier sources and then perhaps some sexual services from several shady chicas. It is a risky hobby I have, full of shady sources. Life is full of risk. I figure Chinese Cialis is no more risky than buying a few tacos from the street vendors. Probably if I was smart I wouldn't eat those tacos but it hasn't killed me yet, I only got sick once, and the tacos are really good Now if there will be wagering on wether the Chinese Cialis will kill me or not, I expect to know one way or the other in the next couple weeks. Place your bets.

Erip the standard dosage for Cialis is 20mg. I assume but do not know for sure that it would be 20mg per 24 hours. Dosages up to 40mg were tested with no major complications but 20mg was decided to be the maximum recommended dosage. I have read for Viagra the maximum recommended dosage is 100mg per 24hr. Pfizer tested up to 800mg in healthy men with no serious complications. Just increasing frequency and severity of the standard side effects. That doesn't mean higher doses of Viagra is a good idea and the effect will diminish with more than one does in 24hr period.

As for crossing the border with Viagra from a farmacia. I have done it. Declared it and had no prescription. The Border agent didn't even care. I think if there is a seizure it would either be because it wasn't declared or maybe someone just got an asshole border agent who was being a dick on purpose. As for the Indian generic Viagra or Chinese Cialis, no way in a million years would I carry that stuff to Mexico. I'd hate to have to explain to the policia what those unidentified pills were. I take it before crossing.

Erip wrote: "I really think it is stupid to use V if you have no medical need for it."

Erip, can you define medical need? For example, I noticed that the couple of times I took V before going for the second orgasm of the evening, it seemed to give me a little extra length and staying power versus had I not taken it; length and orgasmness that may not have occurred without V. It was also comforting to not have any worries about becoming erect or orgasming again. Is that a medical need?

Also, I've heard that Viagra helps men who suffer from premature ejaculation because since it takes longer to come when on V, it is an offset to their condition. Do those men have a medical need?

My initial take on your meaning was that you think it's stupid just for the young "sport fuckers" who are trying to do as many chicas a night as possible.

An Approaching the age when taking V more often may become more likely kind of guy,

Out-of-Towner

I am Erip , I agree with you on the use of Viagra.
My friend who is a big athletic guy has been taking it for the last 2 years.
He is 24 and in very good shape. he took it when a friend gave it to him and he said he never felt so much energy and fucked away the night.
Now he is dependant on it for sex.
he also noticing that his heart races from time to time while on it and it scares him.

I havent talked to him the past few months to see what he did about it.
It was almost like he was addicted to it.

I never have used it and dont plan to until bobbyknobby stops working

Milky

"I never have used it and dont plan to until bobbyknobby stops working"

When you say "stops working", do mean 100% stops working, or a lesser percentage?

A Thinks 10% stops working may be a tempting figure kind of guy,

Out-of-Towner

Ootie, I'm not competent to define what "medical need" is when it comes to Viagra...i.e. the process that medical doctors undertake before they write a prescription. However, incompetence has never stopped me before from expressing an opinion or making a best guess.

Viagra is prescribed for "erectile disfunction" which I suppose means that a man isn't capable of performing NORMALLY...whatever that means. So we've got all kinds of terms to define. I doubt that the medical establishment considers inability to successfully impale multiple partners per day as disfunction. Most of us are built for sexual failure after a trip or three up the stairs during a waking day, so it wouldn't seem that your boy's reluctance to work hard in the later rounds is abnormal...probably not what the doc has in mind when you tell him your weenie is roasted. Still, if you've got the appetite and the opportunities, I don't think a doctor will be reluctant to endorse your use of V for "sport-fucking" so long as you aren't using the drugs that interract dangerously with V (i.e. "nitrates") or have other physical conditions that can make the use of V dangerous (e.g. certain cardiac patients; out of control hypertension). So that's really all I'm saying...get the appropriate medical clearances based on other medications you may be taking and your medical history.

I used to have to take viagra every time before sex. But I've been taking 2 caps of Cobra and 1 cap of Uropian (natural viagra sub) and man I feel like a now man. Get hard ons all the time. I'm not sure which one does it whether its the Cobra or the uropian but try it.

Pecs: Could you please tell us more about Cobra and uropian, and where we could buy it? I'm very interested. Thanks.

I tried the Indian generic Viagra (the blue Silagra) for the first time last night. It was one of the smoothest V-rides I've ever taken. I didn't experience some of the side effects I usually get from V...most noticeably nasal congestion, heat flushing and Vigara "tan". Unfortunately I also didn't experience the usual side effect of desensitization - I could have used some of that last night since my partner had me just a little too excited. I expect to encounter the side effects in the future. For whatever reason, they vary for me from use to use.

This is a fantastic development...50mg erector kit for roughly $1.50.

Erip
I believe as we get used to using v., side effects decrease with time.

Athos, that is not my personal experience. I've been taking the stuff for almost as long as it has been available...though of course you get more tail and take V more in any given month than I do over an entire year! My most recent use prior to last night I got the full suite of effects...not that they are ever intense enough to be bothersome. My experiences just vary from use to use. I wasn't in TJ last night and was alcohol free (my V use comes with alcohol more often than not) - maybe that had something to do with having an unusually smooth ride.

Anybody know why Nevada is not in the choice of states on the statestide websites?

Hi,
I have ONE YEAR old Viagra pills which I never consumed. The pharmacy label on the container says that the pills "expire" a year later which in my case was last month (October 2002).

Questions:
i) Is it safe to consume these pills? All along they were stored in a cool and shady place.
ii) Why does pharmacy medication only have a one year expiration?

Comments/thoughts appreciated. Thanks!

Bkkguru, Viagra normally expires in two years so I don't know why they would list one year unless it was a year old when you got it or they were just being overly cautious. Old Viagra may loose some potency but is not dangerous to take and if stored properly will probably last well past the expiration date. Basically it is safe, and if it still makes your dick hard, it is good. If you need a guinea pig, send it my way ;)

most expiration dates on pharmaceuticals, in my opinion, are there to insure you pay for a new prescription...heh...outside of a potential loss of potency, I don't think I've heard of any drugs going "bad" if stored properly...

I recently received my first shipment of silagra from http://www.generics-online-pharmacy.com. Waited about 12 days and there it was....and @ $2.50 including freight.

It's the same except the side effects are less, it kicks in a little quicker and seemed to last past 24 hours. And, they split much better (I take 25mg)

Thanks, your tips well paid for my membership here.

Question - is all genuine, Pfizer Viagra stamped with the Pfizer name on the pill?

I ask because I've bought what I thought was Viagra at a farmacia in Nogales a couple times. They take it out of a small, white bottle that is labeled Pfizer Viagra, but the pills do not have the Pfizer stamp on them. The pills are blue and the same diamond shape as Viagra. They seemed to work just fine, however. Am I actually buying Vimax or something?

Thanks!

If it doesn't say Pfizer on the tablet, it definitely isn't Viagra. Does it look like this? http://www.praveentech.com/amm/pdetails.asp?pid=53 (DO NOT ORDER FROM THAT SITE. I just posted the URL so you can see one. The site is not reliable or honest)

It probably is genuine sildenafil and more than likely is safe and effective but if you are paying Pfizer prices and receiving something that doesn't say Pfizer, you are being seriously overcharged. In fact even if it does say Pfizer you have no way of knowing for sure that it is really genuine. There are very high quality fakes coming out of China blisterpacked and boxed with Pfizer holograms and everything.

Personally I no longer consider Mexico a good source of Viagra. Prices for Pfizer stuff is generally better at the local Wal-Mart and at least there I know there it is genuine or better yet the Indian generics are very high quality, never counterfeit, very cheap and require no prescription.

Sancho, that is the pill I bought. Actually, I went to the same pharmacy I was talking about last night, and they gave me the choice between Pfizer viagra or the generic. The generic looked exactly like the picture you posted.

I have taken the generic a couple of times, and it seemed just as good, as far as I could tell. (It's hard to tell how well it's working after 14 beers and some chronic...) If anything, the generic gave me less of that "flushed" feeling.

Thanks for the info, Sancho! I will certainly look into getting the Indian generic.

can anyone explain to me what nitrates are? I don't want to mix something I should not with viagra. I sometimes take ripped fuel for working out and take efedrine to keep me up late on the weekends. Should I not use these when taking V? Also does alcohol alter how effective V is?

Nitrates are used to control high blood pressure. Viagra also lowers BP and the combination can kill yoe.
Alcohol reduces the effect of V, as does food. Better to take V 4 hours before eating and have sex during this period.
You can look up the do and dont of Viagra on the Pfizer web site.

MrBill's stupid question of the day:

Anyone else out there take 200 mg viagra in one night, and if so, how long did it take you to cum?

Thank you for your participation in MrBill's stupid question of the day.

MrBill

Who the hell would want to or need to take 200mg?

By the way for you all V users. When you stop using it are your erections not as hard...?

DickJohnson (great handle btw), well... I guess I got scared - I lost a boner a few times with a fav and ever since I've been scared to death to fuck w/o Viagra. I suppose I went nuts on the dosage because even Viagra failed to help one time. But in retrospect, I'm not sure if that was the generic or not.

Anyway, what I was getting at... whether other hombres experience dulled sensation in their willies with viagra, esp. high doses.

MrBill - ~ Your flacid lapdance reporter... ~

I can buy my Viagra through Kaiser at about 5 bucks per 100mg pill.

Can I get a better price in Tijuana ?

Easy answer, Pauncho - NO

Unless you buy those little blue chiclets like milkman does.

I just started using Viagra, so far the 50mg works fine with no real side effects. Anyone have any experience with 2 doses in 24 hours...1 at non or so 2nd in evening. going south (BA & Rio)and wondering bout doubling up if a day of mongering is followed by a TLN?

I do that all the time, macmac - shouldn't be a problem unless you've had 3 quarduple bypasses like Ben. But it might be overkill. I find that Viagra seems to work for 18 hours or so.

Where in TJ can I get V? How much should I expect to pay? Will I need to see a doctor?

It's been about a year since I bought V. It was very easy and required no Rx. Most Pharmacies will have it. I went to one of the many places near the border (take a right after going through the metal turny thingy) before taking a cab to the Zona. I generally only bought one or two pills at a time so the price I got was probably not the best. I think it was roughly $20 for one or two pills. At such a small quantity I really didn't care to go searching for a better price.

Question: Does V give you a headache? I tried it twice and both times it gave me a splitting headache. Anyone know how to deal with it?

From a large bottle, $10 for 100 mg. Single wrap $14 to $16.
It makes my mouth dry but no headaches. I only use it if I plan to do three pops.

How many in a bottle? How should I ask for it? Then what price should I look for? Thanks for the last response...

Srfrog

Hey guys - Thanks for the great info. I have a question. I have looked on the net and tried to find this info but couldn't find an exact anwer. I have high blood pressure and I am taking Avapro and I wanted to try Vit V for the first time. I was wondering, are there any problems or drug interactions that I need to know about with Avapro and Vit. V?

Any info would help. Thanks

Charmed I take about a dozen different kind of pills a day including high blood pressure pills.
The Dr also gave me Viagra and stated ok to take but DO NOT take with Nitrate Nitroglycerine. Any Doctors out there than can advise Charmed? - Hemp

Hey Hemp,

Thanks for the info!

Charmed

Hello Friends

I have no problems getting and maintaining erections but I do cum too fast. I am thinking about using a 25mg dose of the V for helping me delay...anyone here using Viagra for that purpose?

Calif. Man Indicted for Trafficking in Fake Viagra

Fri Jan 9,2004

LOS ANGELES (Reuters) - A federal grand jury on Friday indicted a Los Angeles man on charges of trafficking in counterfeit tablets of the anti-impotence drug Viagra that he purportedly obtained from a drug company in China, a U.S. Attorney's Office spokesman said.

The three-count indictment names Chris Do, also known as Khoa Twan Do, and accuses the Glendale, California, man of conspiring with a Beijing drug maker to import at least 40,000 bogus Viagra tablets.


Link/URL... http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=571&ncid=751&e=7&u=/nm/20040110/hl_nm/crime_viagra_dc

I've noticed for the past couple of months that 50 mg is not sufficient. I suspect the quality of the generic viagra, and will try to confirm by buying genuine(?) viagra.

I've got a prescription from my Doc and buy all my V through pharmacies in the USA. I've noticed that over the course of several years of occasional use that V comes on quicker, stronger and with milder side effects than it did when I first began using it. I mentioned this to my doctor last time I had the prescription renewed and he said that this is not uncommon.

Mcdijj
The side effects do ease up with continued use, especially with frequent use. The stronger effect is a new one though . Cannot say I have heard any patients tell me about that.
I get all my V,C, and L right from the source and the price cannot be beat !!

Let me rephrase that "stronger" comment ... It takes less V to get THE effect.

Khun mor, I'm envious of your situation. Not only do you have all sorts of data at your finger tips but free samples as well!

KM, what are your thoughts about generic Viagra vs. Cialis....which gives you less side effects and which gives you better results. I am still relatively youn but might need to take some in Cambodia for the multiple sessions.

I have no experience with generic Viagra, but it must be similar to the proprietary drug to pass FDA requirements. Therefore I would think side effects would also be the same as V. I prefer Cialis-- less side effect and definitely at least 30-36 hour effect. Being a youngun though you could probably do just as well with multiple 25-50 mg doses of V. Very few side effects if any at the lower doses. The 100 mg dose is the worst. Do not worry about the 100 mg per day max dose. In divided doses of 25-50 you could safely use up to 200 mg per 24 hrs if you needed it. Unless you take blood pressure meds or have cardiac problems which I doubt.
I would recommend daily Cialis supplemented as needed by 25 mg viagra or 10 mg Levitra as needed for the optimal effect !!!

Pfizer tested Viagra with single dosages of up to 800mg in healthy men during early trials. They had no adverse reactions other than a worsening of the usual minor side effects. They found no great benefit in a single dose of more than 100mg and a worsening of side effects so that is how they arrived at the 100mg max dosage. Multiple doses makes sense and does work for me. Unless you have some heart condition or other preexisting health problem, there is no way a healthy man is going to OD on Viagra.

In India for a few weeks. Picked up 10 100g generic V dosses. 4 bucks America, total. Scary huh. I guess I'll check levetra and cialis. But not for mongering here. Just too scary(dirty)

Viagra's Wild Side

The impotence drug is all the rage in nightclubs, and that has many people worried.

By Marc Levenson, Tech Live

From the club scene to the gay scene, there's a new kind of drug scene. It's embodied in a little blue pill that's already helping older, impotent men restore their sex lives.

That pill, Viagra, is now a popular club drug that helps push sex to the limit.

'Blue diamonds' aren't almonds

"Walk into sex clubs in different cities, go online to different sex sites, and it's all about Viagra," says Dr. Jeffrey Klausner, deputy director of San Francisco's Department of Public Health.


Link/URL... http://www.techtv.com/news/culture/story/0,24195,3597139,00.html

Pfizer to reward regular Viagra users with free seventh prescription
Wed Apr 14, 2004

NEW YORK (AFP) - US drug giant Pfizer said it would mark the sixth anniversary of the launch of its erectile dysfunction drug Viagra by giving a free prescription to men "every time they fill six eligible prescriptions."

"This unique savings program gives the more than 30 million men with erectile dysfunction ... a new reason to talk to their physicians about sexual health," the company said in a statement.

Regular Viagra users will be able to benefit from the company's "value card" program in much the same way as airline passengers benefit from frequent flyer programs.

The company stipulated that the size of the free seventh prescription would not be based on that of the sixth, but on an average of the six preceding prescriptions.

It said the program would be offered at more than 33,000 retail pharmacies, including many of the large chains.

Link/URL...
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=1508&ncid=751&e=7&u=/afp/20040414/hl_afp/us_health_viagra

Possibly a good deal--Viagra was more expensive in Brazil than at Costco (a few months ago)--but no prescription was needed.

Study: Anti-impotence drug may have lasting benefit

Tuesday, May 11, 2004 Posted: 8:56 AM EDT (1256 GMT)

WASHINGTON (Reuters) -- Anti-impotence drugs could offer long-term help to some men who have had prostate surgery or who otherwise lose their sexual potency, researchers reported.

A U.S. study found 30 percent of men who had a radical prostate removal procedure regained their ability to have an erection without drugs after taking Viagra for nine months.

A German study of men who took the drug every night for a year found 58 percent regained full ability to perform.

"Our study suggests that sustained, long-term rehabilitation of erectile function is possible," Dr. Laurence Levine, a urologist at Rush University Medical Center in Chicago, who led the U.S. study, said in a statement Monday.

Levine's team studied prostate cancer patients who had undergone an operation called a bilateral nerve-sparing retropubic radical prostatectomy.

More than 90 percent of men who have the operation suffer from erectile dysfunction afterward, they told a meeting of the American Urological Association in San Francisco.

That could be related to nocturnal erections, which men normally have every night. No one understands why but it seems to be an exercise for the penis that, when disturbed, can result in erectile dysfunction, Levine said.

The operation may disrupt the regular nightly exercise, said Levine. Use of Viagra or similar drugs could restore it.

"The implications of this study are that physicians may have a dramatic, one-shot chance to prevent erectile dysfunction following a radical prostatectomy," Levine said.

For the study, Levine's group watched 54 men for 36 weeks. They were tested for nocturnal erection using a specially designed machine.

After nine months, spontaneous erectile function returned in 29 percent of the patients treated with Viagra, made by Pfizer under the chemical name sildenafil.

For the second study, Frank Sommer and colleagues at the University Medical Center in Cologne, Germany, tested 76 patients who had suffered erectile dysfunction for more than six months.

They found 58.8 percent of the patients who took Viagra every night for a year enjoyed a full return of sexual function, compared with 9.7 percent of those who only took it when they wanted to.

"After only one year, sildenafil taken regularly at bedtime may be able to bring about regression of erectile dysfunction or can be a useful tool for curing erectile dysfunction," they told the meeting.

Copyright 2004 Reuters. All rights reserved.This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten, or redistributed.

http://www.cnn.com/2004/HEALTH/05/11/viagra.reut/index.html

Your tax dollars at work

I just checked http://www.generics-online-pharmacy.com/ and they no longer ship to the U.S.