Viagra 101 - My Thoughts on Viagra: I was very reluctant to try Viagra. I don't have impotence and didn't understand why I would have to take something a fuck a girl who doesn't arouse me otherwise. However, after trying it once out of curiosity I realized that there is something very arousing to the fact that almost anything arouses you.
Most information I got on Viagra said to take it 1-2 hours before intercourse and not to exceed 100 mg per day.
In my experience over the last year I noticed the following:
1) The danger of immediate arousal.
Besides the side effects of headache, dizziness and flushing I noticed the danger of immediate irresistible horniness:
On my first try I took 25 mg while in the bathroom of AB. 30 minutes later I got an erection from any short skirt walking by and became a victim of one of the worst hustlers at that time (she retired since) who just sat down on my lap and started rubbing me all over. The fuck was so fast that my beer was still untouched on the counter when I came down again. From there on I swore never to take Viagra without a plan who to fuck and especially not while in the bathroom of Adelitas.
2) Alternate dosing schedule.
I continued to take the drug intermittently over the next months and noticed that I would still have much stronger erection on days after taking 40-50 mg of Viagra. This meant to me that I didn’t have to be worried about taking Viagra too soon before having intercourse. For example if I took the drug one day but didn’t find a suitable chica I would still “run” on the remaining drug level in my system when I had sex the following day.
If you take the drug as recommended 1-2 hours before sex, you go through the initial flush and highest drug level, often while sitting with the girl in a TJ brothel. However, if you take the drug about 2-3 hours before meeting with the date and 4-8 hours before actual intercourse the initial response to Viagra happens when you’re still alone and you can drink fluids and relax to avoid dizziness.
3) My dosing schedule.
Take 40-50 mg Viagra about 2-3 hours before meeting the date, or hitting the ZN. If I monger for more than one day in a row, I take a booster of 20-30 mg at one time after 24 hours (all vague and depending on how I cut the 100 mg pills).
The boost kicks in within 10-15 minutes and does not give me a flush or dizziness. I never take more than 50 mg over 24 hours, but noticed that by spacing the drug out like this I rarely need more than 40-50 the first day and 25 mg the following days. I am not a pharmacist, but it appears that some of the drug stays in my system for more than 24 hours and once I reach some level in my body, boosting it is much easier than taking all of the drug upfront.
Further more, I never take cimetidine that supposed to prolong the action of Viagra. In my experience the length of the Viagra action is not a problem. However, this may be different for someone who suffers from impotency.
4) Mental dependence:
After all the talk about physical side effects and the best dosing schedule, I want to say something about mental dependence. The drug itself has no abusive features, but the ease of reaching full erections is clearly addictive. Once you feel the ease of reaching full erection, it is difficult to difficult to stop. I force myself, mainly when I’m with my novia, to hold off on the drug and so far have not noticed any true physical dependence. My erection and the sex with my novia is the same as before starting Viagra. IMHO, mental dependence can be a major side effect.

Altough I have tried many herbal V alternatives, I find myself in much the same situation in terms of emotional dependence. An anxiety sometimes stirs up when I miss a dose of the herbal stuff, even though I am not entirely convinced of its efficacy. Any doctors reading this thread might comment on whether there is any V research about emotional dependence.

I love that phrase. "Immediate irrisitable horniness"

I have done the "V" 5 times.
Superman-like results.
Don't need it yet but what a freaking party drug.
Paid $16 for 100mg and did 1/2 each time.
IT'S THE BOMB!!!!!!!!!!!!

Mana,
Maybe to save you a few dollars try ordering online at www.pharmacymex.com/ You can get 12 100mg Viagra for $159 - with current conversion rate it comes out to be about $13.50 a pill - free delivery (mailed to your home)
regards,
locale

Yes but how much for the ...ummmm.. in depth online doctor consultation in order to get the prescription to place an online order?

No indepth consultation nor interview. Check out the site.

Has anyone bought vitamin V from an on-line pharmacy? If so.... could you please post the link. I saw the one mentioned above but I would feel safer ordering from a USA source.

Thanks, SB

I haven't used these guys but they spammed my email with an offer of free shipping and free doctor consultation.They aren't cheap.
http://www.usaprescription.com/usaprices.asp

Putanero

Have you thought about just asking your doctor? I've got a great doc, but I simply told him I was planning on going to Brazil and having a lot of sex and wanted a little pharmaceutical help (though I'm only 29, heh)...he tossed me a box of 6 50 mg samples and said "have fun, but be safe..." Viagra and prozac are two of the most highly promoted pharmaceuticals out there, odds are, your doc has a ton in his desk drawer just waiting for you to ask...

Also something to leaf through the drawers for while you wait in the exam room for what seems like forever!

Robertx writes: I don't have impotence and didn't understand why I would have to take something a fuck a girl who doesn't arouse me otherwise.

What about when you can't find anyone in la Zona Norte worth fucking? Like Monday noon? This happens to me way to often as I prefer Asian girls. But to quote one of the great philosophers on this board, Hippie, TJ isn't the best place to monger it's just convenient.

This still cracks me up: Robertx warns of the danger of immediate arousal and immediate irresistible horniness with Viagra usage.

Aneeemal studies:Viagra reduces heart attack damage!
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Viagra May Protect Heart

Animal Studies: Impotence Pill Reduces Heart Attack Damage
By Daniel DeNoon


Aug. 23, 2002 -- That little blue pill may do more than help men achieve erections. Viagra may protect against heart attack damage, animal studies show.


Rabbits given Viagra don't suffer nearly as much damage from induced heart attacks as animals that do not get the drug. The difference is huge: as much as 68% less damage to heart muscle, according to the report in the September issue of the American Journal of Physiology -- Heart and Circulatory Physiology.


"We were very excited when we saw that Viagra given to rabbits resulted in dramatic reduction of heart damage," study leader Rakesh C. Kukreja, PhD, tells WebMD. Kukreja is professor of cardiology at Virginia Commonwealth University in Richmond.


Kukreja studied Viagra because the drug lowers blood flow to the heart. Normally, that's not such a good thing. In fact, heart patients taking blood pressure-lowering drugs are warned to avoid the impotence pills. But there's a paradox known to cardiologists -- a puzzle that goes by the name ischemic preconditioning.


Robert Alan Kloner, MD, PhD, has studied this phenomenon. Kloner is director of research at the Heart Institute of Good Samaritan Hospital and professor of cardiology at the University of Southern California.


"When blood flow to the heart gets cut off, heart muscle dies. This is a heart attack," Kloner tells WebMD. "But if the heart sees brief periods of low blood flow for a few minutes before it sees a longer blockage, the size of the heart attack is markedly reduced. The heart is more resilient when it has seen a brief period of low blood flow. It is a natural way for the heart to protect itself."


Kukreja's team looked at whether Viagra was able to precondition rabbit hearts. The animals were given doses equivalent to those taken by men with erectile dysfunction.


"This is one of the few drugs which I have seen that work as effectively as preconditioning -- or even better," Kukreja says. "Chances are it will become the therapy of choice for treating heart diseases or minimizing damage from bypass surgery and angioplasty."


Kloner is not so sure. His laboratory is also testing Viagra in animal models of heart attack.


"We are not getting results in same scale as he reported," Kloner says. "It is a very interesting study, but I'd like to see other researchers confirm these findings. Our own animal studies are not yet completed, but so far we have not been able to duplicate this. We are not showing nearly as large an impact."


Neither Kukreja nor Kloner think that Viagra will do any harm to people who are taking the drug for impotence and who then suffer a heart attack. Both warn that nobody should start taking Viagra to protect against heart attacks.


"Continue to obey the warnings on the label," Kukreja says. "I am not encouraging people to start taking Viagra for heart protection."


Kloner seconds this warning. "It would be very premature to run out and take Viagra in the middle of a heart attack," he says. "It is probably safe to be on Viagra when a heart attack occurs, but one shouldn't take Viagra for this purpose."


The Kukreja study was funded in part by the National Institutes of Health. Viagra manufacturer Pfizer did not contribute to this work, although Kukreja says he plans to see whether the drug company is interested in funding future studies.


© 2002 WebMD Inc. All rights reserved.

Thanks for the info guys. I have few more questions. If I purchase my V at the local TJ pharmacy, should I get a prescription while I am there? And would this prescription be valid in the states?
Will the policia bust you if caught with V in TJ?

SB

I heard all those Viagara stories and wanted to try it out even though I don't need it. After finding a good price on http://www.e-scripts-md.com/ I placed an order, which was delivered next morning. I took 100 mg about an hour before the anticipated sex time and after 10 minutes or so I felt erection. I started wondering if Viagara was working or was it something psychological that I have take Viagara. Anyway, after the initial erection (without any sex) the Viagara had ran it course and nothing else happened all night long. Now I am wondering that is it just me who did not get a kick out of Viagara or is it just hype?

It's not hype. Why do you take it if you don't need it? When you have your first loss of erection with a girl then you might need it. It acts to prevent loss of erection. But you need sexual stimulation to get hard in the first place. Since you took it an hour before sex, what happened during sex? I've noticed it makes it harder for me to come.
Also 100 mg is a big dose to start with - I started on 25mg (quarter of one 100mg pill) and I'm now up to 50mg three years later. It doesn't really improve sex much for me, other than preventing embarrassment. But it does help me fuck my partner vaginally and get her off.

I took Viagara for 2 reasons, first was the curiosity and 2nd to see how easy it was to get it on the Net and at what price. Since I bought more than I should have, I took 100 mg. I took 100 mg an hour before sex and I did not feel any difference before, during, and after sex and then I asked my partner if she felt anything different than the night before and she said "not really". Now I would like to get some improvement out of the 5,000 mg of Viagara, 100mg * 50

Any suggestions?

I took Viagara for 2 reasons, first was the curiosity and 2nd to see how easy it was to get it on the Net and at what price. Since I bought more than I should have, I took 100 mg. I took 100 mg an hour before sex and I did not feel any difference before, during, and after sex and then I asked my partner if she felt anything different than the night before and she said "not really". Now I would like to get some improvement out of the 5,000 mg of Viagara, 100mg * 50

Any suggestions?

Salsa you do not need a prescription to buy Viagra in TJ.
A prescription in the US is only valid in the sate of the doctor that wrote it. If a CA doctor gave you a prescription you cannot get it filled in Arizona. I know because I tried.

694me, I have tried V once in TJ and it was great. I bought it to the right of the Taxi guys as you first cross over. I was just wondering if it was ok to carry on person w/o a prescription, and if the Mex. prescription would be valid in the USA, thanks for the feed-back.

SB

This says it all....I did not write it, found it at a Viagra site,

Viagra is a lifestyle drug just as a Porsche is a lifestyle vehicle. Men take it because they strive for excellence, not just on the road but also in bed. Viagra will make sex better for almost everyone, even a 25-year old who doesn't have a problem with having intercourse twice a day.
While for the 60 or 70-year-old, Viagra may be a matter of erection or no erection, the medication will, for the 25-year-old, just produce more firmness of the male organ. Viagra will certainly result in more staying power, and in a better capability to satisfy the female partner just by copulation and without the need for extra tricks.
Obviously, a 25-year-old will not need 100 milligram of Viagra for the desired effect. In the young and healthy man, a 100-miligram dose may even cause priapism, an erection that goes on for many hours and potentially damages the penile tissue. Even 50 milligram of Viagra may be too generous for a 25-year old, while just 25 milligram may be the right chemistry.

Generic Viagra from India, Genuine 100mg Sidenafil Citrate just like name brand Pfizer Viagra is only $2.40/100mg tablet at http://www.generics-online-pharmacy.com and does not require a prescription.

I am Sancho
Thanks mate. I already ordered 16 mg for $41.90 including shipping. Or 3 times cheaper than Vimax in TJ.
Now need to wait and see if it works...

I have ordered twice from http://www.generics-online-pharmacy.com . Both times it took 2 to 3 weeks to arrive. The package was mailed from India. I have also in the past ordered generic Viagra from http://www.medsmall.com . They shipped from Pakistan and it arrived in only 7 days but they are $3.40 per 100mg and have a min order of 64 tablets so in the future I will continue ording from generics-online-pharmacy unles I find someplace better. In all cases the generic viagra worked the same as Pfizer Viagra.

I Am Sancho
I'd like to thank you again for sharing info as this is way cheaper than any other means of getting v.
You made my day.
The other one too is cheap.

I Am Sancho...Athos...have either of you guys had an opportunity to use the generic Viagra from India yet? Any results to report? Any information on the timetable for the generic version to be available at our local pharmacies?

Erip
I received package from India 3 weeks after ordering this week so will try it out this sun after Chargers win.
I am Sancho had posted he had positive results with India.

Whoops...you're right Athos - he did report positive results. Athos, the website states that they are in short supply of the primary drug they have been selling and they reserve the right to ship an alternate brand in it's place. The alternate brand is manufactured by a subsidiary of the primary brand's manufacturer. I suppose they are the same content and quality, but can you identify the name of the drug they shipped to you?

I wonder when the generics will become available from our local pharmacies in the U.S.?

I received something called Silagra 100 which contains Sildenafil Citrate equivalent to Sildenafil, manufactured by Cipla, India.

Erip: The expiry on Viagra patents is about 20 more years - Till then no generics.

India has different patent laws than the US. In India you can patent a process for producing a drug, but the drug itself is considered a substance, the confluence of the laws of nature, so as such it cannot be patented. All the Indian drug companies had to do was find a different way to produce the active ingredient in Viagra and thus avoid Pfizers patents. Pfizer already sued and lost in Indian courts. There will be no generic Viagra at your local pharmacy for a long time though because US patent laws work differently. Cipla has a web page describing the Silagra product at http://www.cipla.com/ourproducts/38/silagra.htm The Suhagra brand they mention at http://www.generics-online-pharmacy.com is 100% identical to the Silagra brand except the tablets are red instead of blue. Only a cosmetic difference. I assume they prefer to ship blue tablets. I received the red ones the first time I ordered and the blue ones the second time I ordered. In both cases they worked exactly the same as real Pfizer Viagra right down to the side effects, flushed face, stuffy nose, swollen member. This stuff is great.

I Am Sancho
Did you notice the blue tablets are smaller than the Pfizer tablets?
I need to retest to confirm the effect. It seemed to work last nigth but am wondering about 100 mg size.

I did notice that. It said 100mg Sildenafil so I believe it is that. I would assume that even in India a major drug company would not put there brand name and reputation on underweight tablets. Cipla has US FDA approved manufacturing facilities for other drugs it exports to US. I attributed the difference to inert binders, and density. The Penegra brand tablets I got from Pakistan are closer to Pfizer Viagra in size and shape, just pink in color. The Suhagra brand is exactly the same size as the Silagra brand, just red instead of blue. All worked equally well for me. I can say for sure because I get a stuffy nose and flushed face at 100mg but not at 50mg. All brands caused the "correct" side effects on me. I have a couple of Pfizer Viagra here and some Silagra too. I will see if the shipping scale at work is accurate enough to weigh them for comparison. In the mean time I think much more "testing" is necessary. The more "testing" the better. I think I will test some more tomorrow ;)

I'll do the same I Am Sancho and report.

Gentlemen...I really appreciate all of this information. I read and posted about the Indian generics some time back, but these are the first reports I'm hearing about their use.

Athos: Regarding size of the pills...I can tell you that I purchase prescription medications in Mexico that are different in appearance and size from the equivalents I had previously purchased in the U.S. I asked my prescribing physician about it and his response was not to worry...that the considerably smaller size of the Mexican product does not indicate a lower dosage.

Btw, the photos of the Indian generics makes it appear that the 100mg pills are designed to be more easily cut into equal 50mg doses than the Phizer footballs.

Correct the pills have middle line so breaks easier.

Suhagra and Silagra are deeply scored and very easy to split. That makes 50mg only about $1.25. Penegra brand is about the same shape as Pfizer Viagra. The tablets aren't scored.

OK, out of curiosity I walked over to the lab dept. here at work and weighed on an accurate electronic scale, one 100mg Pfizer Viagra and one 100mg Cipla Silagra. The 100mg Pfizer Viagra weighed 632mg meaning it has 532mg of inert ingredients. The 100mg Cipla Silagra weighed only 357mg, meaning it can have 257mg of inert ingredients and still contain 100mg of Sildenafil as advertised. In actuality both tablets are mostly inert ingredients but I suppose that explains the difference in size of the tablets. The Silagra is just more concentrated than Pfizer Viagra.

There are differences in additives which change the absorbtion rates though the stomach walls. I find the mexican version is not as quick to work as the Pfizer. I have even tried two 50mg doses an hour apart, with no increase in affect. I think I need 200 mg

they should use cimetedine as the filler ingredient for these sildenafil tabs.
Put

This girl I've been fucking has told me her last 2 boyfriends each used Viagra ... not because they needed it, but because they wanted to be superstars. They were both younger than me. This is apparently a trend among the 20-something crowd ...

I tried it once, got really fucking hot, got a hardon that hurt, sweated all over the chick I was fucking, then kept getting random hardons for the next couple of hours like I was 14 again. Never again.

-Superman-

s-man:

did not have a pleasant experience with the two times I have used vit v - headache, stuffy nose and this blue haze over everything - did not have prolonged hard on but not again.

Lots of counterfeit Viagra out there. CBS news article:

Muchas gracias for the link Superman!!!
SB

Hmmm, the article doesn't say anything about what was in the pills they confiscated. Could have been real sildenafil tabs every bit as effective as the Pfizer brand - who knows? But not being made by Pfizer makes it "counterfeit" in this country.

Aren't you guys who are buying internationally taking a big chance, both legally and healthwise? Or am I being overly paranoid for some of my fellow hombres?

A Hoping none of my buddies end up in jail or the coffin prematurely kind of guy,

Out-of-Towner

The 2 web sites mentioned above sell more than just viagra.
And they do not sell viagra, they sell a generic viagra so Pfizer has nothing to gripe about.
I also read in Men's health mag, 2 new products Ciallis and another one work the same as viagra and will hit the US real soon. Ther second one happens to work over 2 days so people take it on fri and are set to romp for the whole weekend, already very popular in Europe.
Why pay $11 a pop when you can pay $2.50?
Both I am Sancho and myself have confirmed the Indian v. works the same as the Pfizer.
It's true if you read the CBS article that Superman mentioned, why can't terrorists target sexually active men? That'd be so smart, they could say they avoid attacking the women and children.

Legally. Viagra is not a "scheduled" drug. So it is not a crime to receive it. There is no criminal penalty unless they can prove an intent to distribute it or something. Worst case, unlikely scenario, is customs theoretically could at there discretion refuse to allow it into the country and confiscate it and then send you a letter outlining a lengthy and costly appeals process if you ever wanted to see your Viagra. If that happened (and it never does for Viagra) then you toss the letter, forget appealing the seizure and count the shipment as a loss. No other legal penalty since there has been nothing illegal. generics-online claims they will eat the loss and re ship for free if that ever happened. I don't know of any case of Viagra being seized so I don't think that promise has been tested with those guys. I have ordered allot of prescription drugs from countries all over the world. More than just Viagra. In maybe 20 packages I have had only 2 opened by customs and those were resealed with a customs sticker and allowed in no problem. I have never had a seizure and for Viagra I have never heard of anyone having a customs seizure. In reality customs could care less about Viagra. They are after the "Scheduled" drugs, Steroids, huge quantities, and the blatant name brand trademark counterfeits.

BTW, I found two sources for generic Cialis already. That stuff sounds really awesom. I am awaiting my first orders from the two sources. Because these sources seem very shady I will refrain from posting them until I receive my Cialis and test it. It is very cheap. One place only $1 per 20mg dose and one place only $2.50 per dose. This is allegedly bootleg from China. I am anxiously awaiting my orders. For those that don't know Cialis is supposed to work like Viagra with fewer side effects and lasts for up to 36 HOURS!!!!!! It will be available in America and Mexico probably Q1 next year.

You should worry more about your life than the legalities. Who in their right mind would test some unknown drug from "shady sources?"

At least test it on Dogst, errrr, your dog first.

-Superman-

I Am Sancho, do you know what the maximum safe dosage for Cialis may be over a period of time? I mean, if you have it in your system for 36 hours, is it safe to take another dose right after the 36 hours is expired...or perhaps 24 hours later?

I once read that it isn't safe to take more than 300mgs of Viagra within any one week period. Then recently while following up the reading of your posts with some of my own research about the generics, I saw reports of studies that indicated that side effects from extra dosing of Viagra are only negligibly increased from the effects of a prescribed dose. You seem so fluent with the subject...I'm wondering if you can sort this out for both Cialis and Viagra?

Btw, I have heard reports of Viagra seizures at the Mexican border from individuals crossing to the U.S. with unprescribed medication purchased at the farmacias. As you stated, there were no further consequences...just simple forfeitures. However, I don't doubt your statement that a V seizure by customs agents examining the mails is extremely unlikely. The agents at the border just feel the need to be assholes at times when we assholes are standing in front of them. Surely they must resent a bunch of wobbly legged, fat buttheads with no social skills like most of us mongers, appearing so contentedly oversexed!

Note to Ootie: I've said it a dozen times in the TJ forums...I really think it is stupid to use V if you have no medical need for it. Anybody who thinks they need it ought to consult with a real LIVE physician who knows your medical history, and get a prescription (not one of those online physician questionnaires). Once you get clearance from your doc that V is safe for you (and it is for most of us), it doesn't much matter where you get it and whether it's Pfizer or a reputable Indian generic.