Posted by Matiz on December 28, 2000 at 15:50:23:
In Reply to: Re: Thank you Billy posted by merenpapi on December 28, 2000 at 14:05:02:
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Actually my intention with BillyPV was a little of both: post whatever you want, but recognize that there may be consequences with this particular chica. There are always going to be consequences to posting, of course, some obvious, and some not so obvious. Only the poster can decide whether the consequences justify it or not. BillyPV is a big boy and if wants to "cover his tracks", fine. If he doesn't, fine. It's not going to affect my activities in the ZN in the least. He just seemed to be new enough that he might not be aware of the rather unique (IMO) situation with this particular chica and her almost paranoid aversion to posters. As always, what he decides to do with that information is his business, not mine. If recent history is any guide, you're right that this issue seems to be a hot-button one that divides guys much like abortion or school prayers or gun control does with the general population. Over the long haul, there has been a gradual decrease in details offered in specific reports. This coincides with rising concerns about chica privacy, but I think that's just one of many factors that contribute to the trend. If you look back at some of the old posts from 1995-1997 on the World Sex Guide, those were really the pioneer days when only a handful of guys were posting and there was a sense of intimacy about the posts, like you were swapping tales with your buds at a back table in a bar. There are posts that talk in great detail about Angela, Tanya, and others. No more. Somewhere along the way, TJ became "gringo-ified", altering in a basic way the customer profile for many bars. At the same time, these internet sites began to outgrow their homespun approach. I think it's part of a natural devolution for any medium to move in the direction of dynamics that reflect the lowest common denominators in the audience. It happens in newspapers, magazines, radio, TV, and the movies. Why not the internet? In this case, the lowest common denominator for "detailed reporting" is a finding some balance point between providing specific, useful information and being so specific that you're offensive, vulgar, and invasive. Posts, IMO, frequently fail to strike that balance. Naturally, when the posts lack specifics, those that want more information begin complaining, and when it goes the other way, those with more fragile sensibilities complain. I'd enjoy going back to a more intimate group of posters with more of a sense of comraderie. I miss that; it's what attracted me in the first place. But realistically, those days are gone and we won't see them again. The nature of the beast has changed. At the fringes there will always be guys who bite the bullet and tell everything, and those that say nothing. But the balance point is slowly shifting and, eventually, most really specific content will be communicated by private email and in person. I don't know if that's good or bad, it's just the way it is. Having said that, I personally find the debate about specifics to be really boring. This is because I don't believe there is a significant correllation between knowing additional specific details and having a good time in TJ. It's like going to the ballpark to watch a great baseball game, and spending the entire game complaining that the announcer isn't giving you enough information about the players, or that the printed program doesn't contain enough batting statistics. Just sit back, sip your beer, watch the game and enjoy it. After all these years, I am more convinced than ever that a newbie can get everything he needs from the BOT FAQ and a little reading on this board. After that, everything else is just gravy. IMO, the greatest value to these boards is their currency, not their access/availability--it provides immediate up-to-the-minute information about conditions that change rapidly. If Molino Rojo gets shut down, I know about it that day. If a guy gets mugged, I find out within hours. If the TJ police are targeting guys who take chicas to the room on Revolucion, we get the straight poop almost in real time. But, for the most part, the chicas' situations don't change rapidly. Some have been standing in the same spot, in the same bar, wearing the same dresses, ever since I started coming to the ZN. I'm still seeing the same SG I first saw 12 years ago. And even when the information is useful or interesting, it's almost impossible to relate it to a real person. I rarely read a report that describes the chica well enough to locate her. So, IMO, as far as learning about any given chica in the ZN, these sites are only rarely helpful. Having wasted many nights early in my career looking for a chica someone posted about while ignoring and then losing countless opportunities with other chicas that probably would have been better than one I was looking for, I really believe posting specifics (except for warnings about chicas who rip off guys or give consistently lousy service), is vastly overrated and more often than not a waste of time. I know others don't agree with that, and swear by the information they get here. That's fine. The key as always is mutual tolerance, a recognition that one guy's agenda may not necessarily be your's, and that maintaining a dialogue with each other in the midst of our disagreement is necessary if this forum is to survive. Sorry to ramble so much, but this thread is so far down the line, I think you and I are the only ones reading it. Just thought I'd air my opinions. Happy New Year.
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