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CASCADES UPDATE. . . .

As promised, I trolled the alley yesterday staring about noon and stopped by several girls I knew were using the hotel and after a short discussion, asked them if they can go to another hotel besides Cascades and they then asked WHY.

I went into the policy program as best I could and told them that I would no longer use Cascades because of this. They indicated that they had to use Cascades so I said "I am very sorry."

This took a bit of time because I talked to three girls. I could see they (the girls) were not pleased about losing the business and my plan was to cross the street and boink someone at another hotel but I met up with a bud and ended up at AB for a 2pop, but that's another post.

I then went to the check in desk at Cascades and asked for the manager to explain the new policy. Afterwards, I informed him that I would not be using Cascades or Cascades girls again becuase of this and it was an insult to all who left our money there in the past. With the bucks these boys pull in you'd think they'd invest in upgrading the comfort level a bit but hey, that's being a bit picky eh?

We really need members to follow up on this. The girls can be a pressure point for Cascades management because without the girls, it's all over right?

Broke my heart to leave Monica and Gabriella standing in the street. I actually felt bad for them.

Atta-Boy CJ.. You did good. I think it would be a hoot for each of us to ask a few Cascadas SG's the same question then give them the same sorry, no can do cause of the new rules..

Yama...that is the plan as of now.

CJ...good job dude. I will do my share on Sat or sun assuming I get over this nasty cold/cough I have.

Keep it up!!!

Thanks guys. If we do our thing, we'll hit 'em where it hurts. Even if we don't do enough damage to change the policy, they'll at least know their money is walking across the street.

I was so to turn down my Monica and to see the look in her eye when she knew something was up. All the girls said they were unaware of the policy but I'm not sure I believe that because they also all told me that I was the best they ever had!!

Ha..ha...that is funny CJ...

I had to skip on TJ this weekend since I got a bad cold but I will do the Cascadas intervention next week as well as next weekend.

I will make sure the 2 or 3 cascadas girls I am inclined to use on occassion know of the $$ they will lose to the Eduardo chicas.

Hey,

Did anyone here stay at Cascadas last Fri nite. A buddy of mine emailed me bitching about some noises and disturbances going on in the middle of the night (besides the usual talachero calls)...anyone know anything about it?

I told him he should have stuck to the boycott but I guess he no longer checks this site.

I did!


Just kidding. But, I did pass by there over the weekend to let all of my SG friends know that I won't use their services at Cascadas until their joiner fee is eliminated.

"SG 'friends'"?

Figuratively speaking, of course. I call them friends if I believe that they would move my corpse from the street to the sidewalk, before removing my wallet, whereas the others would simply remove my wallet, and leave me in the street.

Explorer, that's really funny man LOL LOL.

I often wondered how I would make it to the morgue if I collapsed. I guess it doesn't really REALLY matter, does it?

Some of the short time rooms now have working air conditioning.

Reytj

Hard to believe there's no photos of the rooms here. A small contribution:

I understand the boycot is going so well that friends who wanted to get rooms there these past two weekends were turned away because there were none available!

As I had stated before, there is little chance of the boycott affecting Cascadas during the weekends, its the weekday business that will be affected by their new pricing policy.

BTW, I went to Thailand with the $$ I saved from not going to Cascadas. On the other hand, your Thailand money is in the hands of the front desk guys at Cascadas. Speaking of which, how does Cascadas ownership know exactly how many dollars are extracted from their customers by the front desk guys? How do they know whether 10 or 500 chicas are brought up to the rooms by customers, and if so, how is the accounting done to ensure that the $5 or $12 extracted from customers actually flows up to ownership?

Probably they periodically review the video tapes of the front desk and lobby areas as a double check, much like any business would.

If they actually do that, then why is that some guys claim that they only pay the joiner fee once in a while, or their friends at the front desk let them slide? It would seem that we have a quandary: either these guys are lying or the front desk people simply take abuse from management for ineffectively applying the joiner fee, or management doesn't know about the joiner fee.

When has ANYTHING in the zona been exact or consistent? C'mon Explorer...why do you ask questions that you either a)already know the anwswer or b)write just to have something to write about? Do tou really think all of the monies collected at the front desk reach the top of the totem pole? The greedier the front desk employees get, the more the owners raise rates & change policies to increase their "revenues".

It's a "cash business"! Nuff said!

It may be possible that the new Cascadas policy is an invention of the front desk, a way to raise their salaries. I don't know, its just a thought.

The front desk knows exactly what the "higher ups" expect in their bag every morning so in turn know exactly how much they can safely skim without being noticed. That said, greed probably played a large part in both levels instituting this new policy/scam. Neither level is sophsticated enough to calculate their liabilities in this new procedure and whichever level started it, I'm 98% sure it had to do with a drop in revenue already. So, a "boycott" will just promote these guys into finding another way to get their $$. Unlike wise businesmen who slash prices to raise customer counts, these guys just see dollar signs and 10 people at $30 each is better then 20 people at $15 each BECAUSE IT'S $30!

There has got to be some skimming because "chica count" is not an item of inventory that can be controlled. However, it is not possible that the policy itself comes from anywhere but from the top. The Brisuela organization is huge, multi-layered and not unsophisticated...this is not some mom & pop operation without controls. No doubt they also employ some very damn tough enforcers and apply some uncomfortable sanctions to employees who fuck with them, including setting their own rules that may impact the overall business. Working for the Brisuelas has got to be a little bit like working for their buddies in the cartels...you limit your renegade activity if you know what's good for you.

This last weekend: Another $30 for my Thailand fund, BKK wins and Cascadas loss....

This last weekend: Another $30 for my Thailand fund, BKK wins and Cascadas loss....

Concarne

Even Explorer concedes that Cascadas sells out on the weekends so where is the loss?

Reytj

Reytj:

You are right I was not clear: the last weekend I continued my Cascada SG boycott so that would be $15 for my BKK trip (no short time room usage), thur stay avoided due to boycott so that would be $30 to the BKK fund (up to $42 if you count an extra chica and $54 if two extras, I usu. do 4-6 SG per TJ trip).

$45 for the week for the BKK fund at the min.

Sorry for being not clear...

My analysis has found that however small the loss is
Cascadas has definitely lost money from the boycot during the week for the last few weeks.

THe point is they are losing.

Even if they are not...sometimes you have to do it just as a matter of principle.

Even if they do not lose on Fri and Sat eves, they are losing the rest of the week both on long and short term rooms.

Thailand stash still growing, who will join me?

Concarne, I am ahead of you, I spent my savings in BKK already. There is no comparison with spending your cash in TJ vs spending it in BKK.

I was reading some posts in other sections, and realized that the rainmakers in front of Cascadas are steering guys to the front desk to make sure they pay the $5 extra chica charge. I wonder if some of the chicas are getting a kickback?

Upon another quick in-and-out overnight trip to TJ I decided to stay at the hotel across the street from the Las Cascadas, Hotel Rio de Oro. I no longer feel comfortable with giving my money to the Las Cascadas hotel as long as they keep up with this one-chica per night policy.

I realize both hotels are owned by the same family, but I hear it's the management of LC who've enforced this bullshit policy, therefore I don't feel it's right to patronize the place, especially after those assholes at the rear reception desk gave me such a hard time over bringing my first chica (SG) of the evening up to the room. Fuck them.

Masterbates! Masterbates! Hear, hear!

I am due for some fresh Mex con carne...I will be hitting TJ in a couple of weeks...and blow off Cascadas again as a matter of principle.

Thai stash steadely growing.

Cascadas management needs to go back to MBA school Ha!

The Rizo de Oro (that MAY be the correct name or not) is a run-down dump that mainly services Bar Tropical short-termers. For pure cheerless dingy slum accomodations, only the cheap rooms at Leyva are worse. I think I'd rather stay overnight at the Najera than the Rizo.

Although I stay outside of the zona norte at the Villa Zaragoza when I'm in TJ, I sympathize with you guys who have led the Cascadas lifestyle for so long and want to demonstrate your disapproval of the current pricing structure to management by staying away. I also think you're kidding yourself if you think you'll find an adequate substitute for all the options and conveniences of Las Cascadas within the zona norte. Cascadas management was counting on that when they started re-enforcing the multiple chica charges...a policy that was technically in place two years ago but was originally enforced for about a week and a half.

I think this company overall DOES understand business...they understand that Cascadas maintains a sort of niche-monopoly in TJ among mongers who don't mainly fetch their chicas from AB & CC. They are doing what monopolists always do...tightening the wrenches on your wallet because you don't have equally good alternative options. Microsoft would hardly do it any different.

The alternative to Cascadas is to tough it out elsewhere in TJ, save your cash, and spend it in Thailand. I learned that lesson. I stay in Enva or Leyva, in cheap rooms, and still have fun in TJ.

"Toughing it out" isn't an alternative to leisure time activity that is supposed to be all about relaxation and pleasure. The only point to any gringo with a halfway decent income to staying in depressing surroundings like the cheapest rooms at Levya is to send a message to Cascadas and hope they break before you do. A "strike" is not an alternative to working, it is a power struggle. That's what you have here. You hope it won't last long because while you may be having fun, you aren't having as MUCH fun. Others who aren't quite as adroit as Master Ex in the zona, or half as religious about being cheapasses won't be having much fun at all trying to duplicate resources offered by Cascadas at Leyva. I agree there are lots of ways to approach finding good times in TJ, but eliminating Cascadas and all it's emanations from your TJ universe really does shrink the zona down to size - especially when you also aren't doing AB/CC.

Don't deny it Ex. You know damn well that every attempted migration of a girl from ANY club during her shift in the zona to the Leyva is going to involve a negotiation first just to get her to agree to travel to an offsite hell hole...and if you get that far, then you have to negotiate to eliminate or reduce a bar fine that is greater than Cascadas's extra chica charge. And you know damn well that any of the truly hot numbers leaning along the alley walls between Valentina and Hong Kong are going to give you some serious resistance to going there and many just won't.

And are you looking back with any fondness on your well documented Jacuzzi parties at Cascadas...you know the ones that had the chicas so enthralled that they saved you hundreds of pesos that you would otherwise of had to pay them for extended sessions? Are the chicas tossing big discounts your way for the thrill of your company in the $17 Leyva rooms?

Ex, you are a stubborn coot and I'm happy you are still enjoying yourself in TJ, but don't even try to suggest that the average monger who was enjoying the Cascadas "lifestyle" to the max will have themselves an equally good time at Levya or Enva trying to do all the same things with the same pool of chicas. That is not an equal alternative, it is a giant plunge downwards. Again, this is how monopoly is defined.

Good thoughts here, I was in ZN in sept, and stayed at Cascades overnight as I always do, ussually 2 times a year. I think to underestimate the business savy of the owners is likely wrong. Under the chaos we see as Mexican business logic, there is a very well organized and very lucrative capitalistic ideology. In order to avoid another revolution, it presents itself as an unwritten an overly ilogical pricing model.
with that bullshit said, I was real pissed the last time in the ZN. I was in AB and started talking to some guy who had never seen the alley, or the girls, I was planning to get a room at Cascadas after some sightseeing at Adelitas. He took me up on my offer to cruise the alley and I showed him the Cascadas etc.. I went in to check in and the said they did not have any single rooms, so I ended up paying for a double, not a big deal, like $10 more. I asked if my friend could come up and see the place as he had never been and would likely be interested in staying there in the future. The desk dude said no prob, got the key technician to run us up, opened the door, tossed my toothbrush on the night table, and split, gave the tech a buck, and went down to reel in my first SG, the desk dude then asked me for the $5 you all have been discussing. I was like "what the F?" I then said since I am paying for a double room, seems like I should be able to have 2 people, and then this guy gives me the BS about how showing my friend the room counted as the first. OK, no more explanation as to what my thoughts were, probably required. this is still the best deal in the ZN, for safety, convenience etc..and I will prob use them on the next trip because as stated in previous posts, the other options just cut down on our enjoyment, and $5 more is not much,,however on principle, I just assume go to the $3-5 rooms and at least give the money to someone else.

I made the mistake of staying at the Las Cascadas again. Why, you ask? Well, the answer is simple: I was tired, I didn't want to drift too far and upon quick inspection of the Las Chavelas Bar, I was attracted to those newly arrived heard ranchero chicas which I was eager to sample quickly.

The one-chica-per-night policy is still very-much in effect. But now it seems they've gone too far this time and added total insult to injury. When I brought a SG to my room, I was stopped at the reception (alley side) and was told I had to pay an additional $12 for the girl going to my room.

I explained to the clerk, the fact that I brought two chicas to my room last night and paid the extra added rip-off charge, was no reason to charge me again, for the simple fact that this was a new day and the extra chica activity occurred last night.

The clerk said it made no difference and he was only following rules. So let's see if I can get this straight: If I bring a chica to the room, no charge. But if I bring another chica to my room on the same night, it's standard extra charge. However, given the fact that I chose to stay there overnight and the next day was a new day, meaning, the chica to the room policy would wouldn't be charged as a "extra chica," it clearly means they are either just totally ripping me off or are just taking full advantage of this bullshit policy that you'd never get in any other hotel in Mexico.

I'm not asking anyone to continue this boycott, as I know it hasn't worked in the past. I'm just merely posting this as a warning to mongers to be careful with these rip-off artists, who seem to take great pleasure in taking advantage of the traveling monger. And yes, I too have broken that boycott rule of sticking together in this.

I'm completely fed up with this hotel. This is definitely the last time I'm ever staying there.

Masterbates - If you ever do stay at Cascadas in the future & wish to avoid extra charges on additional chicas, try this: give the chica your room#, where you'll be waiting for her. Instruct her to meet you in your room in 2-5 minutes. Tried it many times with SGs & BGs, never paid extra charges.

Dang...that sucks.

Still boycotting and saving the money for Colombia this time!

The policy isn't one chica per day but one chica per night's stay.

I don't agree with it but it explains their actions.

Is this policy still in effect? Haven't been down there in while. Also, while I was looking at the HK website I noticed that they've redone the place and are offering deals. Has anyone stayed there lately?

I brought a chica up from HK and they charged me $15. I questioned the price because I had just thrown $12 on the counter and the guy behind the counter showed me all the customers he had logged in at $15.
Is this policy for HK only for also for Adelitas?

Hotel Cascadas is mentioned in 2013/03 Smith - Tijuana January 11/12/13

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I got a taxi and headed straight to hotel Cascadas. The prices have gone up, during the week it is $45 per night and weekend rates $ 55 per night. But if you book on line it is 5 bucks cheaper. I asked for a room with clean walls and got one.

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I made a reservation for a Tuesday night Jacuzzi room, which cost more than it did just two weeks earlier! But no biggie, since the room was half price thanks to the HK VIP card. Traffic into TJ was all fucked up, so I didn't arrive until 5:30PM. The clerk said all the Jacuzzi rooms were taken. I talked with him about the value of my reservation with a conversation similar to an old Seinfeld episode. He said they had a "Junior suite" available that had a jacuzzi, since the occupant of "my reserved room" had decided to stay an extra day (probably his standard excuse for not honoring a valid reservation). I asked to see this Jr. Suite, so he walked me up to room 219, that would have overlooked the alley if it had an exterior window (which it didn't). I've had a lot of fun in half-priced master suites the last month, so I begrudgingly accepted this super cramped room. (they basically squeezed a small jacuzzi into a single-sized room). I probably should have upgraged to a master suite, but MS's had the biggest increase to their rack rate (it went from $90 weekdays to $110)

This closet-sized jacuzzi room was 819 pesos (which included two 120p deposits for the room key and TV remote). At a 12X1 exchange rate, it should have been 39 pesos less ($45), so I guess he used a different odd exchange rate. But I wasn't going to bother with the clerk over this since even this was a decent cost. I will upload the pictures I took of this cramped room #219 with its tiny shower (compared to all other Cascades showers I had in all different types of rooms there).

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Just wondering if Hotel Cascadas gives you the option to choose smoke-free rooms?

The website makes no mention of any availability of non-smoking rooms in Cascades. You could always ask if they have non-smoking rooms via their room reservation system.

Back in mid-February 2012 a non-smoking ban swept through most LZ bars and restaurants. To my knowledge the law still exists, but enforcement of those statues lasted less than one month.

Thank you.

Has anyone booked the Master Suite Room? How was it? I wanted to take my favorite chica from Hong Kong there and was curious if it was worth it (versus the standard 1/2 hour rent-a-rooms.

http://hotelcascadas.com/rooms/master-suite-room