Just received this email message from BRAZIL MENS CLUB:

Dear BMC members, This message is to inform you of some recent developements in Rio de Janeiro that may affect your travel plans. Last night June 11, 2005 - 29 Americans were arrested and are being deported for suspected "Sexual Tourism" and drugs, and also without having Identification on them. This is a front page story in Brazil's largest newspaper O'Globo and on the News. The group of 29 Americans were on a boat called the Shangrila' along with 40 prostitutes. Brazilian Federal Police who have been investigating operators of sexual tourism intercepted the boat in the Marina da Gloria. The organizer of the event, an American, Kenneth Graham who has had problems in the past with this kind of "boat ride", has been arrested and is being held on accusations of running a sexual tourism agency. His photo has appeared in Brazilian newspapers and TV news. The other Americans are being deported within 3 days and will have their Visas revoked and not be able to return to Brazil. All the women involved are regulars of the Help/Meia Pataca scene. They were released with incident. There is a REAL crackdown on Sexual Tourism in Rio. Americans are being photographed and watched. This is part of the Patriot Act, - read the laws, if you go to another country with the intention of sexual tourism, you can go to jail in the USA for up to 20 years. BMC, has been investigated and found not to be involved in any illegal activites. Our boat cruises have not and do not include Prostitutes. We do not provide prostitutes or promote sexual tourism. Prostitution is ILLEGAL in Brazil. Although it is tolerated at certain establishments. Our advice has always been to stay away from Help/Meia Pataca and street workers. Also stay away from events/parties etc, such as the boat ride above. Copacabana is a marked area, so be careful, also violence has skyrocketed against foreign tourists recently. American, European, Asian, Black, White - have been targeted in the Copacabana area. If you need information about the "safe" places to go, and the "best" places to stay, Contact us. P.S. A full issue of BMC's Escape to Paradise Newsletter should hit your email on Tuesday. We'll tell you all the good things about Brazil and what we've been up to. - Paz (peace) BMC

Does anybody else know anything about this crackdown?? I am sweating bullets. Fellow Hombres, should I still go to RJ??

This message above is very erroneous and contains several factual errors. I won't speak about the Americans being arrested though (because I don’t know) and to the best of my knowledge; prostitution is NOT illegal in Brazil, although PIMPING is.

The second thing, and again to the best of my knowledge, the Patriot Act says NOTHING about prostitution in foreign countries. It is not yet illegal for a US citizen to visit a prostitute in a foreign country. It is, however, very illegal for a US citizen to have sex with anyone UNDER 18 in the US or in a foreign country. This was a law passed during the Clinton years and was originally passed with the wording "intent."

In 2003, under the Protect Act (Not Patriot Act), the "intent" wording was removed to make prosecutions easier. But again, stay away from children under 18 and you will be ok. You do have to follow the laws of the country you are in, but the Boat Cruise has long been discussed on this site as something that should be avoided. Stick with the Brazilian owned Termas and you will be fine. Stay with women above 18 and you will be fine.

BTW: The Protect Act will put someone away for up to 30 years if they get caught with a someone under 18.

You may also want to check out several other threads that have been posted about this boat cruise. It is much more likely the American's are getting arressted and deported because of drugs and no ID than visiting prostitutes. Although, again, this boat cruise has always been a dangerous proposition.

Be Careful of That Boat Cruise in Rio!

Boat Cruise in Rio RAIDED!!!!

Boat Cruise Raided AGAIN!!

Leo,

You should not go to Brasil, it is very dangerous and you will probably be arrested if you do.

I saw the story on the news and read it in the paper. The pretext for the raid was that there were underaged girls participating. The story does not confirm that this was the case and since all particpants are being deported it is unlikely that any were found. Had there been, all would be facing prosecution here rather than deportation. One of the americans was fined for not having his passport with him. The fine was R$280.

The organizer is being held on charges of promoting prostitution. Pimping is illegal. Prostitution is not.

The guys involved were being total assholes. It looked like they thought it was all some kind of joke. One was even seen on the news taking photos of the news media there to film their perp parade. I would bet the brazilian police showed him the error of his ways once they had him in there back room. If you do have to deal with the police show a little respect or a broomstick raping your ass will be the least of your worries.

As for the violence, there is no more or less than the norm. If you are looking for security don't leave Bumfuck Arkansas. If you come to Rio use a little common sense and Rio is no worse than any major third-world city around the world.

American assholes are free to stay home. The rest of us don't need the fallout from the bad press you generate.

American assholes are free to stay home.

Why limit it? I've met MORE then my fair share of assholes from England, Australia, Germany, France... Each is an asshole in their own way, but they all stink it up for us just the same.

E

True, Epi, very true. All the same, there seems to have been an influx of American assholes in Rio that's of epidemic proportions lately. Last week, flying out of Săo Paulo, there were about a dozen guys woofing (so all could hear) about how many garotas they'd fucked in the ass. You'd have thought these guys were getting it for free, they were so proud of themselves! And two of them had to be separated by flight attendants because they were arguing over a particular garota each though of as "his namorada."

But you're right, an asshole is an asshole, and we'd all be better off with fewer of them, regardless of race, creed, color, nationality...

have always read they were very strict about underage issues there (and no, i am not interested to begin with) so if there were underage involved, not too much of a shocker...

seems to make sense crime would go up a bit during the winter - less tourism for people to make money on...

wouldnt put it past the horses ass to put some of his right wing bible thumping garbage in with the patriot act though...

(Message edited by hdogger2002 on June 13, 2005)

Actually, the paper said the fines were R$828 each for the 29 participants(which is supposedly the maximum for overstaying your visa).

Dont always necessarily believe what the paper writes. Who knows what the real story is.

epi, how did you forget the italians? they are among the worst. the image of americans in rio is iffy enough, we know who is misrepresenting us and should speak out when you see it. remember we are guests in this country and need to respect and play by there rules. viva la termas!

You are right. Assholes come in all shapes, sizes and nationalities. I am particularly sensitive to american assholes since I'm american, am proud of it and live here. The government is not particularly pro american so stories about stupid americans get more attention. Every time one of these stories hits the press my brazilian friends feel the need to bust my chops. It's tiring. If you can't avoid being an ugly american stay home. If like most of us, you can show just a bit of class and respect for your hosts come to Brasil. It can be heaven on earth if you can manage to keep your asshole tendencies in check.

Good point SOG....

you don't believe for a moment that 29 jerks were overstaying their visa!! They probably all arrived last week

I read it was for not carrying their passports. This is important, seems everyone should carry a notarized copy of passport, visa page and entry page!!

Maybe they should try and be a little more descreet and not get arrested in the first place?

BS -- You don't believe for a moment that 29 jerks would not have been deported even if they had notarized copies of their passports? IMHO that would have made absolutely no difference. They were "persona non grata" and being made an example of.

I watched the television news report with my favorita and asked her to explain it. She actually found it kind of amusing. I can't state this as absolute fact, only as what she told me. She said there were 29 guys charged with failure to have a passport with them. They were fined and given 3 days to leave the country. The organizer faces deep shit because he has been in jail before and they were investigating whether minors were involved. The coverage showed the guys milling about waiting for a bus to take them to the airport. Some were acting like real jerks, waving to the camera. Most looked quite somber.
Funny how things happen. The next day I was in an internet cafe and the phone rang with the man in front of me. I heard him say, "No I don't have to come home, you think I would be stupid enough to go on that cruise with the guys?" Seems like a large group came down and some booked the cruise, others didn't. Most of the guys busted were first-timers. This guy comes a lot so he knew enough to avoid it. Kind of feel sorry for those guys, they'll get their visas revoked and won't be able to return.

Catacony,

I know you are tryiing to scare me from going to RJ, but I am going. heee. heee. Leo does not scare easily. I am more concerned about being picked up for no good reason other than I want some pussy. I noticed these Americanos were "fined". I would like to know how much it cost them. Is this just to pick up some spare change on the part of the RJ policia? "Vamanos cabrones. Now pay me $500 Reals, I mean U.S. dollars. I let you go and count yourself lucky." The money is pocketed and you are deported never to be heard from again.

Nope, sounds like a fine. Who knows what else they had to pay.

"Nope, sounds like a fine. Who knows what else they had to pay?"

Probably a little anal for the local police...lol

What's all this crap about being afraid of going to Rio? Accurate or grossly exaggerated either way, if you're scared stay home! That leaves more for the rest of us..

P.S. Heading to Rio again this Sept/Oct...ewww I'm soo scared....not!

here is an update. i ran into a guy at solarium tonight that was there with two guys from the boat. according to them, at the end of the day no one had to pay the fine, they were not deported, and there are no restrictions on their returning to brasil. some of the guys left by choice right away, others got a brasilian lawyer and got off, but no one except for kenny is in trouble in any way now. the reason was apparently that the law under which they were charged or whatever was for not having their passports with them in person, but the law is either old and not used much, or was not accurately enforced (i.e. you can have a copy with you as long as it is notarized) or something. i am not a lawyer but evidently they said you are required to carry a copy with you and it should be notarized, but if you are caught without it they cannot do to you what was done to these guys. also, the guys were of the opinion that nothing would have probably happened to them had kenny spoke up instead of hiding. evidently the police came asking for him and he did not step forward, that is when they said, ok, if no one is going to talk, we are going to take you all.

Makes sense. Again, Brazilians are emminently practical. Busting a porn-provider liek Kenny is one thing, but NEVER fuck with the paying customers.


BS

Thanks for setting the record straight Gr8ter! Now maybe these type of rumours that fuel the downside of Brazil will be put to rest for the time being.

Listen my brothers of this board. And Listen. This is not good for anyone. I am a black guy and I am sick and tired of being run out of countries because of an fuc*ing ass hole like this guy. He is dangerous I don't care what color he is. I can't even go to Thailand again because the brothers have such a bad reputation there. What we need is an advisory board in Brazil so when these idoits come down they can have the law laid down to them. I love the hell out of Brazil and I do not want anyone fuck*ing it up for us. And that goes for my white brothers too. This guy is awful for all of us americans. I do not want to police stoping me for any reason. We all have to get serious about this guy and this matter.

Minnie, you make a good point. I can't believe this guy got caught doing this boat thing once, and then tries it again. Why ask for trouble? We're guests in a foreign country. You can treat the people (including the garotas) decently and still have a great vacation.

Assholes are assholes...we need fewer assholes of all colors, but racism just exacerbates the problems. Plenty of brothers come down to Rio and play by the rules (and obey the laws) but the few who don't fuck it up for the many who do. Same for white Americans too, but the racism that exists in Rio (like most anywhere else) means that the brothers become more of a target when the officials get pissed off.

Minnie, I wish you luck. I agree with your point, but many assholes come to Rio precisely because they think the "rules" don't apply there and that they can do and say anything and get away with it. I've jumped on guys a couple of times who I thought were being assholes and attracting attention, but the uniform response was "who the fuck do you think you are."

Minnie, I know you to be a gentlemen of renown and I am happy to cally you a friend. You are so right on with your comments. I share the attached recantation with a brother in Rio a few weeks ago. I have heard similar stories from whites, asians and other races so the mentality is certainly not race related. I think it is more "American superiority" related.

It is unfortunate the Brasilians are soooooo prejuduced towards black people (BTW-They call them negros (nay-gross) here. If you call someone preto (black) it is like using the N word in the US. So, brothers, don't be offended if they refer to you as negros here...nuff said).



An Interesting Conversation


The other day, I was having a beer with a new acquaintance, a brother, while he ate some lunch. He had been in Rio for four days and this was his second visit. Naturally, the conversation finally turned to the women of Rio. I asked if he was having a good time.

“Yeah”, he responded. “I’ve fucked four girls and haven’t paid a single one”. Naturally, knowing the Garotas de Programma, I was somewhat doubtful of his claim but decided to play along. “Oh really” I responded. “How do you do that”?

He looked up from his plate of fried chicken with a smile and said, “I just tell them that when they finish work, if they want to come by my hotel, they can have a place to sleep”. I commented, “you must speak Portuguese very well”. He snickered and said, “barely speak a word”. I asked what were his plans for the day? “Oh, me and a couple of buddies are going to 4X4 at 2:00” he replied. I asked if he thought he wouldn’t have to pay at a Terma? “Naw, I just go in, have a drink and pay the entrance fee. I never pay for a piece of ass” he bragged.

The conversation took a different direction for a few minutes. More idle chit chat than anything. I finally asked him what type of work he did in the US. “I am an attorney” he responded somewhat proudly. I asked him if he charged his clients for his legal work. “Damn straight I do, $250 per hour” he retorted somewhat smugly. I asked, “why do you charge your clients?”

He looked at me incredulously and replied, “damn man, that’s how I pay my bills, my mortgage, pay for food, clothes, my car and other stuff”. I asked how much pro bono work he did. “Very little and then I have my clerks and paralegals do most of the work” he replied. He stabbed a big bite of fried chicken and aimed it towards his mouth. “And, just how do you think these girls pay their bills?” I asked in a non threatening manner.

His bite of chicken froze in mid air like I had hit him with a 2X4. He lowered the bite of chicken back to his plate as he pondered my inquiry.

“Damn man, I never thought about it like that before” he said. “Are you sure you are not an attorney?” he asked. I just snickered and said, “No, I am too much of a realist to practice law”. He gave a small snicker and wolfed down his bite of chicken.

Why did this encounter prompt me to recant the conversation? Well, I have heard similar stories in the past. Guys that come to Rio and expect the Garotas to fuck them for free because they are Americans, Europeans, young, good looking, have money, nice clothes or whatever. How quickly they overlook the rampant poverty surrounding them barely four blocks away. How little they realize some of these girls live in 8X10 rooms, many without kitchens or bathrooms or share a 1Br. Apt. with 6-10 other girls. How easy to overlook the fact these girls are having to fuck total strangers to support their children and families (ok, and sometimes their boyfriends, drug habits and other unsavory things).

Now, I am not against negotiating or getting a good deal on a session and I certainly try not to overpay but I never expect these girls to fuck me for free. After all, they are self admittedly Garotas de Programma…..Prostitutes; women who make their money fucking men, for a living!

Lastly, I will repeat a famous saying by a very good friend; "There is no such thing as free pussy!".........

nicely put Sandman...the world would be whole lot better off with a little less greed and selfishness. And we all can do our part...no matter who we are dealing with!

First of all, very nice narrative, if you are not a professional writer you should be. I like the point also, and everything you say jives with what I know (including 10 gdps sharing a small apartment apartment).

Secondly, a question, so he was just telling girls they could spend the night at his place (in english) when they were done working and they would come and fuck him? Were these normal girls or girls at help, etc.? In any case I find the scenario implausible, but, I guess anything could happen. Unless they thought they could steal from him or were expecting money and just never got it.

The guy Sandman was talking to was full of shit. A lot of guys brag about not paying, but the reality is one of two things: they either overpay, or instead of "paying" they go to the mall the next day where the garota picks up some "presents" that are usually a lot more than the standard fee. It is pretty much a non-occurance for a tourist guy, new on the scene, who doesn't speak Portuguese, to get a freebie. GPs generally don't know what the term is.

Think about it this way - we've probably all met a guy who would stick his dick in a pile of dogshit, then go and tell his buddies he just fucked Pamela Anderson in the ass and he has the shit on his dick to prove it.

I don't buy the analogy. Pro Bono attorney work does not easily compare with what could be a pleasurable couple of hours for a prostitute. Also, I think that if a vacationer can get some free tail on his trip from some pros, then he should not be obligated to ponder the reality of some girl's living situation. For full-time Rio hobbyists, this would be a terrible idea for a thousand reasons. But for a casual vacationer, I just don't think that there is anything wrong with getting some free action from pros.

I don't think it happens at all. Rio is a fantasy world to most guys and they just perpetuate that fantasy with lies to the boys that they get it for free.

Why do we continue to take our "American" ideas of race and racism globally? Hell, 90% of the women in Rio would be considered Black if they were here in the States. Does a particular race(white) stand to gain by filling newbies heads with bs about being at a disadvantage in Brazil. On a level playing field, I can hold my own(even against the elusive blond haired-blue eyed god you speak of). IMO these comments about "Blacks" are examples of self-hate and envy. I am simply tired of being bashed, not by Brazilians, but by "white" Americans.

>I think that if a vacationer can get some free tail on his trip from some pros, then he should
>not be obligated to ponder the reality of some girl's living situation.

I agree with that statement - IF the girl likes the guy and KNOWS up front there's no money involved. Hey, maybe they just think he's a hottie?

But if you're not expecting to pay for pussy - why visit a whorehouse? That's like going to a restaurant and saying you'd like to eat, but don't want to pay for the food.

Quite frankly, I didn't believe the guy either. Second trip, no Portuguese and as Cat pointed out, he probably took them shopping or something. He was really a very nice, well educated guy. I just think he was trying to do some bragging in front of his buddies.

Mitch, no problem with your point either and I know many guys who occasionally don't pay and get a freebie (well, maybe! Usually costs them something somewhere along the line). My issue is with the people expecting to never pay.

>"But for a casual vacationer, I just don't think that there is anything wrong with getting some free action from pros."

No problem whatsoever (and the operative word in your sentence is "some") and more power to you if you get so lucky, but to travel to Rio with the attitude, "I aint paying for no pussy anywhere anytime", that is downright absurd!

Gr8ter-that was his story line. "I just offer them a free place to stay after they finish working" I didn't delve into details. I assumed they were Help and Meia Pataca girls.

Mello, I actually think that most guys that come to Rio do quite well for themselves, irrespective of their race or nationality. Very few girls here will turn down money no matter where you are from or what color you might be. I know white guys that go strictly for black girls, I know black guys that only go for white girls, big guys that only go for spinners and smaller guys that go for big (voluptuous..he he) girls;

As for the rest of your comments, I am at a loss.

I just re-read my report and see no reference to anybody being disadvantaged; no reference to an elusive white god; and nothing that appears to be bashing anybody except idiots that come to Rio thinking they can get all the free pussy they want!

My intent was to convince anyone of that opinion that they would not even have a remote possiblity to come here and succeed with that plan! It just aint gonna happen guys! You may get lucky with one but don't come here expecting it to be the norm.

I call that sound advice from someone that lives here. How that turned into bashing anybody of any nationality or race is beyond me but you are certainly entitled to your opinion?

Sandman

Hemp's opinion: (1) No pussy is for free, you pay in one way or the other (2) Guys who always say they are getting free pussy in Rio are 99% lying and are ego driven to gloat to their buddies (3) I make a decent living and pay my bills and the girls need to do the same. (4) If you pay these girls a little and very important, treat them kind and with respect you will be happier in the long run. - Happy 4th my friends - Hemp

Hemp is correct.

My girlfriend just left with a wad of cash and some lovely parting gifts. She kept saying "Noa nessessario". I would not even think of not paying her for the two days she spent with me, or treating her poorly. I have to look at my ugly mug in the mirror every day. Plus, she will probably want to see me again. If I am lucky.

Somewhere in the dark recesses of my mind, from somewhere in the 1980s, when completely idiotic tits-and-ass movies were coming into their own, I vaguely remember the movie "Hardbodies". In it was a cute little song, about an old guy who thought he was getting some free play from some California beach babe. As the song went, he asked her to go back to his place (something like that) and her reply was "I don't fuck fossils for free".

Not that all of us are fossils, but the underlying theorem in Rio is that GPs are on the program until they're no longer on the program, and when they are no longer on the program, we won't see them in Copa anymore.

Now, as has been written many a time, if you invest a lot of time, learn to speak at least semi-passable Portuguese, get a nice place in Ipanema/Leblon/Barra, develop some understanding of brasileras and have a good cover story as to why you aren't a monger in Rio, you can head out to the "civilian" boites and clubs and try your luck at picking up non-GPs. They of course won't charge you, but the upfront investment is huge and you are at only a slightly advantagous position than other guys. Being a rich American is certainly a nice place to start, but you have to have everything else too.

Now, if you're on your second trip, you've learned to say "hello" in Portuguese, you're staying in Copa and having dinner at Meia Pataca. What are your chances of getting a freebie? 0.00% You're fishing in the wrong lake for the wrong fish and using the wrong equipment.

I think I will keep paying. After all, I am a fossil. But at least I am not on testosterone treatments......yet.

As a fossil, I learned long ago, pay a little now, or a lot later.

Balldo

I agree with everything in catos post above.

Basically, in my opinion, if you are in rio and not paying for sex in one way or another, and only want to try with real girls for free by picking them up in nightclubs, etc., and this is your first or second trip, and you don't speak portuguese, your chances of getting sex are on par with or lower than if you were to go to a nightclub in paris, rome, or new york, (the reason they are lower is because, as has been written before, gringos in rio are immediately marked as sex tourists and most good looking local girls who frequent the nightclubs with their friends will not want to come anywhere near you).

Now that being said, if I go to shennanigans, nuth, etc. girls will give me looks, smile, etc. and it is fairly easy to approach some (before they even know i speak portuguese) but having sex with them is a much different thing, especially on the first night. In my experiences it has taken more time in general to fuck normal brasilian girls from the first time i meet them than it does to fuck normal american girls, principally because they think you are only in rio for one reason (and also because they think you won't be in rio for long, they don't like the stigma attached with being seen with a gringo, etc.). If any brasilian girl is seen with any gringo in rio, everyone immediately assumes she is a prostitute, bottom line, and good girls don't want that type of stigma, remember, rio is a very small place.

Now guys have told me stories lots of times about getting sex for free, or going to nightclubs and picking up girls and banging them their first time in rio, or shenanigans, etc. It probably does happen, but like I said before, I think it depends on the guy and your chances are no greater than they are in any other major city. Meaning, if you strike out every night you go out to a club in Miami, you aren't getting laid if you go to a club here, however, if you get laid every night you go out to a club by a girl you met there, you might have a decent shot.

As many of you know, I've been living in Porto Alegre for some months. Even though I'm a fossil, I've had several ongoing relationships with non-pros and one with a pro who decided to reclaim her amateur status. How did this happen?

Well, first, I speak passable Portuguese. Not fluent, but I can carry my end of a conversation and understand what she says almost completely. This means we can go to restaurants, hang out for three hours chatting, and not get bored with one another. If you don't speak the language it's hard to explore common interests, express interest in what she's interested in, etc.

Second, I live here and have a job here. The reaction I get from girls when I tell them I actually live here, and that I have a job (at a place they all know of), is quite different from the reaction I'm used to in Rio and Săo Paulo. I'm viewed in a completely different light. When they see that I have Brasilian friends and a normal life, the reaction is very different. When they see I live in a regular apartment full of my own crap, they know I'm not just a tourist in for hit-and-run sex.

As a consequence, I've found it quite easy to form relationships with regular brasilieras, even those substantially younger than me (this is where having money and a high prestige job pays off). Interestingly, I've had a couple of friends come into town briefly and go out with me, and they had no luck. Why? Because they were tourists, not residents. They found girls who would make out with them in the clubs, but it never went further than that.

I believe that all relationships are based on exchanges. We exchange money (monetary capital), property (physical capital), access to social resources (social capital), and emotional support (emotional capital). Frankly, the ones based solely on the exchange of monetary capital are simpler, less fraught with tension, and often cheaper. That's why a lot of us like P4P. I may not pay my regular girlfriends directly, but I pay when we go out, I spend hours listening to them talk about their days and their families, and they achieve some status (a form of exchange) by being seen with a guy who works at XXX and has money. The point is, as many have said, you always pay. The form of the exchange varies, but pay you will.

I believe (from having lived there for 2 months) that the situation in Rio is tougher. As many have said, all regular girls are predisposed to view all gringos as sex tourists, and generally would not be caught dead with them. They are stigmatized if seen with gringos. I have a brasiliera friend who married a gringo, and she tells me she constantly runs into people who assume she was a GDP; who else would marry a gringo? It's a stupid prejudice, but it's real. So most regular cariocas are very wary around gringos.

In all my many trips to Rio I've had exactly two freebies from non-pros. One occured after a night of heavy drinking at a dance club, the other after three dates without sex. Two other times I thought I was getting freebies until they asked for "presentes" in the morning. On the other hand, living down south, where there are almost no gringo toursts, where I have a job with some status, an apartment, local friends, etc., it's a completely different picture. Nevertheless, there's still an exchange going on. It may not involve the exchange of cash, but we are definitely swapping resources. It's never discussed in those terms (seems so crass), but economists and sociologists have studied the issue for decades. Successful relationships are those in which the exchanges of the two parties are viewed as fair, equitable, and meeting one another's needs.

There's no free lunch and no free pussy, unless you're stealing it, and then it probably isn't free either. Your bad karma will catch up with you eventually (i.e., you'll get herpes from her).

(Message edited by BWana_dik on July 04, 2005)

Well said, Bwana.

Hey sandman: Sorry I missed you on my last trip to Rio. Now I owe you two drinks and I will never come there without checking in with you.

I sit here laughing and thinking about all of this free pussy we world travelers get in Brazil. Its true. Of course I have to pay to fly there. Get an apartment or hotel. Take a taxi round trip from the airport. And wow I even have to pay for food and drinks. Ok. I go to 4x4 and buy this wonderful lady a drink and then invite her to my place to spend the night but I am not going to give her a fuc*ing dollar for fuc*ing me half the night. Of course she saw him the entire time that he was in Rio because he was a nice guy. Fellas lets get real.

I am 64 years and I have been paying for pussy since I was 19. I have few gray hairs. I would never hangout, have a drink or a meal with this guy. I am sorry that Sandman did not dig deeper into this asshole. I will bet anyone that this big shot lawyer paid through the nose.

Sandman you got the makings of a very funny story here. Do it baby. See you soon.

Minnie, good to hear from you buddy and the next time you are in town the first drink is on me.

I leave it to the professional expertise of the Bwanas and others on this board to try and explain the dynamics of garota logic. Yes, living here and visiting here are two very differnet dynamics. Living here takes on a whole different reality than visiting 7-10 days at a time.

Reading back over the thread I see that perhaps I still not have made my point;

Guys, real simple English here; If one of your buddies travels to Rio and comes home bragging about all the free pussy he got....do not believe him; do not budget your trip based upon getting free pussy; do not be dissapointed if you come here and don't get free pussy; do not go home discouraged if you did not get free pussy. Thats present, past, future and a few other tenses. Just arrive with expectations that you will pay to play. Will pay to play; will pay to play. Just like you will in LOS, AC, Colombia, Cuba, BA or any other venue you select to search out and enjoy the hobby.

Does that make the message a little clearer?

Must have been like reading Gullivers Travels. Nice story but full of hidden satirical messages about stupid political differences (big endians -vs-little endians with eggs) and many more.

In the KISS (Keep It Simple Stupid)vernacular:

DON'T COME TO RIO EXPECTING FREE PUSSY!!

Crystal clear, Sandman.

And tomorrow some guy, somewhere, is going to tell his buddies about how everybody else pays, but he gets free pussy in Rio (or BKK or Cartagena, or...). And some will think "yeah, I think I'll go to Rio (or...) because the women there are dying to fuck Yanks (or Aussies, or Limies, or...) for free." It's all those women dream of, right? They live to have sex for free with guys they can't even talk with, because...because...???

You guys are full of shit...why when I was there in February, I screwed every waitress in every restaurant, the door guys wife...uh, oh yeh and the wife of the President. And they paid me $R10,000 each! So there....pththththt! <smirk>

How did this conversation get away from our dear friend Kenny?

Anyhow, for what it's worth, recently one of my "buddettes" in Rio told me about this "hot new place" she and her girlfriends are hanging out at: Shennanigan's - "We can get in without paying a cover charge, don't get hassled, and have no problem picking up a gringo "namorado" who THINKS he's getting fucked for free!" And that's why you should always pay up front in Rio

BS

P.S. Actaully, she said, no problem "catando gringo trouxo"... literally "picking fool gringos", as in picking apples from a tree! Free pussy is never free!

(Message edited by badseed on July 05, 2005)

Come on guys, I've been offered free sex; I just don't like DonGringo that much.
CG

That has only been true since his Korean sphincter experience...eh CG?

I taled to a couple of Kenny's brasilian buddies while I was in town and they said he is doing fine. they went to visit him on saturday and they said he is in a "nice" prison where they have food brought in from the local resteraunt. He has money that he can use to buy stuff from the store in the jail.

The last part, I dont know aboout. But the brasilian guy I spoke to swears it was true, supposedly, they have the ability to have girls brought in (if they pay enough cash) and they can fuck the girls in the jail.

In five trips over the last year ive only had a free bj from a retired puta and free sex from 1 girl, and when im down there I cant wait for her to go to school so I can go pay for it at the terma, also I met a brazilera on the plane ride back once who couldnt check into her hotel until 3 pm welanded at jfk at 6 am so wewent to my apt and I humped her , but she was hideous.

I think its tough everywhere to bang regular girls , first night is almost totaly out of the question, the favela girls who arent putas, are scared of jesus, the regular girls dont want to be seen with you because they dont want the puta reputation , and the patricinhas only cheat on their rich boyfriends with drug dealers with big guns.

Mello I think your mistaken , the only reason those 90% of the girls dont call themselves black is because there ashamed ,it carries a stigma down there , they arent proud of being of african descent.
The other problem is that they are mostly young , the majority of americans under 40 are black and younger people like to party and they are more rowdy than old dudes ,they get a bad rep
in a country more racist than america.

ah hem... if I may... I guess most of you that know me know I was taken to jail many months ago and spent 3 miserable days there. It is all over now and I have been cleard of any sort of crime. So it is over. But nevertheless, I had the experience.

I dont know where Kenny is but unfortunately I can tell you about one of the ones in Centro Rio named Polinter.

You enter with shorts and a shirt. No shoes, no socks, no underwear, no toothbrush, no pillow, no sheet. Shorts and a shirt. If you do not have someone on the outside to bring you stuff you are in big trouble.

Cells are 3x6 meters. there are I think 18 cells in Polinter. There are about 130 men per cell in cells 1 through 15. They sit on the floor with their knees pulled up to their chests and another guy leans on their knees... ect ect. The make hammocks out of plastic water bottle wrappers or sheets/clothes and hang from the ceiling bars, and tie themselves to the side bars. They are allowed out of the cell once a day to be counted and that takes about 20 minutes.

Cells 16 and 17 (as I recall) are "special cells" where you can stay if you pay. When I was there it was about 100 reals a day rent. The cell is also 3 x 6 meters and has from 10 to 20 men in it. The door is only shut at night and the cell has a refrigerator, and television. The inmates in these special cells have the option of kitchen food or food prepared by their chef. My cell had a chef, and a menu on the wall. The food was ordered by the chef once a week and delivered from the grocery store Sendas. I hate to say it...but it was delicious. ALthough I would not want to be there to try the food anymore.

Anyway, as I recall you could have visitors 2 times a week. There are morning and afternoon visits. I was visited everyday morning and afternoon by those close to me and we paid 30 reals for each visit in excess of those allowed. Also, being in a special cell, I was not subject to strip searches and other things that normal inmates went through. Additionally, there were indeed rooms where you could pay an additional amount (between 30 and 50 reals) and you could spend time in private to have sex with your visitor. Many inmates in my cell were wealthy, and had sexual visits twice a day, every day. I didnt even THINK about sex for the 3 days I was there.

The door to my cell closed at 9 pm and opened at 10 am. Cells 1 to 15 stayed closed all the time. There was a canteen where you could buy softdrinks, food, candy and we could walk there anytime we wanted. Other cells had to send someone to buy them things.

Cell 18 was full of the inmates that also worked. THey cleaned, cooked, did hair, etc. Our chef and maid (we had a male maid who cleaned our cell and washed clothes) lived in cell 18 and came to our cell when the doors opened in the morning.

There were no beds for us in my cell so me and my 2 friends slept on the floor. The first night inmates gave us pillows and blankets to be a little more comfortable, on day 2 we had carepackages delivered from our outside friends.

One other interesting tidbit... in our cell there were cell phones available to use as you wanted. You could call anywhere in the world. They are some sort of hyjacked cells where the bill shows up on someone elses account. SO the dont recieve calls but you can call at will until someone notices their bill is several thousand reals. I used these phones several times.

GCL

Just curious to know what it was like leaning back against the bent knees of the inmate to the rear of you? Did your neighbor ever give you anything more than a penetrating glance?

"I didnt even THINK about sex with my female visitors for the 3 days I was there. "

And who can blame you, what with male inmates who cleaned your cell and washed your laundry for you.

So who did your 'hair' for you during your internment? Was there any tipping involved?

well I struggled with the decision about whether to post anything about my experience or not. I decided too do so because it seemed topical (someone was wondering above about the conditions in the prisons in Brazil) and I thought would be of interest to people since there really isnt any information available about this subject.

In any case, if my only contribution can be to give bewildered an opportunity to practice his stand up routine, np.

thanks for the post I was wondering what happened to you

GCL - It's great to see you back on the board (maybe?) - Hemp

GCL - please accept my most sincere apologies for making light of your plight. How thoughtless of me, especially so soon after the incident occured. With so many months behind you, one would presume the rectal tearing would've healed.

Apparently not.

Get well soon.
BW

Bewildered I don't think an apology to GCL is really needed - Deep down he probably liked the "rectal tearing" Come on GCL fess up?

You guys are too much. Bewildered, this is some really funny stuff. Not even Deeg could come up with material this good. I hope next time your in Rio we can meet so I can enjoy listening and seeing your slapstick antics.

I have to ask what the story has to do with the Patriot or the Protect Act, since its all about Brazilian authorities invoking local laws to arrest Americans.

Explorer, nothing at all to do with Protect Act, the original poster was having a case of Chicken Little Syndrome. There's a similar end-of-the-world thread going on over on WSG, not to mention some newsgroups I subscribe to.

For what it's worth, only here on CH are there people smart enough to debunk it.

BS

Bwana and Hemp hit all the nails on the head. It is never free. Beauty is a currency to be traded as well. And yes, treat the girls with respect, attempt a bit of the language (I am on Pimsleur III as a refresher - I fortunately took Portuguese in College), and share a bit of your spirit with them.

My last trip, I befriended a few girls. While I paid them, it was interesting to see other girls reactions when I turned down free sex. And it was interesting to see a girls reaction, when she would make me a great offer, and I just was not interested because of physical or mental attributes.

Emjoy the moment. Create a memory or two. Try not to objectify too much (heck, we all do to some extent). And have fun. And it "ain't" fun to be mean to someone. It ends up hurting both of you.